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Poll shows Biden viewed as too old to ‘effectively serve’ another term

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a Marianne Williamson who from what I hear is quite far left even for the average democrat to win the primary.

Oh, I forgot about her (I blame Oprah). I guess she's to the left of the average democrat, but I think of her more as traveling on a different path around the Sun than the rest of us Earthlings.
 
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Oh, I forgot about her (I blame Oprah). I guess she's to the left of the average democrat, but I think of her more as traveling on a different path around the Sun than the rest of us Earthlings.
What would be interesting is what would happen if this poll is true because there are only three options and if he is viewed as too old/in too poor health and the others are viewed as either too far right or too far left would they have anyone to run that would stand half a chance?
 
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Who's the other one? I know the one who looks a bit GOP is that anti-vax guy.
You mean the one who poses the biggest threat to biden, to the point that there will be no democratic debate, which isn't a very democratic move when trying to convince the public that a democrat is what they want?
 
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What makes this issue tricky is that some people are sharp at 75, and that continues clear into their upper 80's.

Other people start slipping at 75

Others are fine at 75, but then start rapidly slipping over the subsequent 5 years.


Given the stats on the percentage of elderly people it happens to, I think it's time for the country to have a conversation about an upper age limit to compliment the lower age limit we have in place.

Some may view that as "ageist", but for certain key positions, it's pragmatic for elevated age to be a consideration.

When hiring someone for a 4-year position:

If you're 70, you have a 12% chance of dying in the next 5 years.

If you're 80, that jumps to close to a 1/3 chance. By mid-80's, it's a 2/3 chance.

Given the nature and tenure of the position, those odds, combined with the 40% chance of people in their mid-upper 70's developing cognitive decline in the next 5 years, I think makes a pretty strong case for setting an upper limit of 70.


To put that in perspective, such a rule would've only impacted 2 presidents: Donald Trump and Joe Biden. Literally every other president has been under 70 when they took office. (In fact, after Biden's time as president, that'll make only 4 who've even been over 70 when leaving office)
Maybe instead people after a certain age should have to have annual mental exams to see that they are still fit mentally to hold office.
 
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Oh, I forgot about her (I blame Oprah). I guess she's to the left of the average democrat, but I think of her more as traveling on a different path around the Sun than the rest of us Earthlings.
That could be arranged. ;)
 
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FYI, an IL-76 is a Russian military transport aircraft. Earlier this week Ukrainian drones struck a Russian airbase near Pskov and damaged two of them and burned two more to the ground in a single attack.

If you want to invoke pity for the "little guys" of Russia it would help if you could document some Ukrainian attacks on civilians. Keep in mind that civilians often suffer from "collateral damage" due to weapons malfunctions, etc.
Ah, so it's just "collateral damage" when drones fly into downtown Moscow, supposedly looking for military transport aircraft?
 
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You mean the one who poses the biggest threat to biden, to the point that there will be no democratic debate, which isn't a very democratic move when trying to convince the public that a democrat is what they want?

The nut with unearned name recognition? Sure he's the biggest "threat" but only because of the shallowness of our political discourse, news media environment, and the prevalence of conspiracy theories and other mushy thinking.

As for the debates, it is common place for the national committee of the incumbent president seeking reelection to not hold debates. Nothing to see here.
 
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Ah, so it's just "collateral damage" when drones fly into downtown Moscow, supposedly looking for military transport aircraft?

Do you know what the target of the first explosion was? (The one that is current to the reporting and shown at the beginning.) A little ways in the reporter refers to a recent attack on the MOD building in Moscow and that was definitely a military target. (I think there were two hits on different days to that MOD building.)
 
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The nut with unearned name recognition? Sure he's the biggest "threat" but only because of the shallowness of our political discourse, news media environment, and the prevalence of conspiracy theories and other mushy thinking.

Whew! Lots to blame when someone other than biden has support, so blame everyone but biden for it.

As for the debates, it is common place for the national committee of the incumbent president seeking reelection to not hold debates. Nothing to see here.

The country would rather not take your (or the DNC's) word for it. They want to see for themselves.
But we could take biden at his (former) word on it when it comes to transparency:

“In a democracy, the public deserves as much transparency as possible regarding the work of our national security institutions, consistent with legitimate needs to protect sources and methods and sensitive foreign relationships,” according to a memorandum issued by President Biden on February 4.
 
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Whew! Lots to blame when someone other than biden has support, so blame everyone but biden for it.
Blame? Blame!? There's no "blame" here. I just don't think that Mr. Famous initials Jr. has any real support. Just a (personally) mostly unknown individual (and a nut) who'd get the "Who?" response if he wasn't the son of Mr. Famous Initials and his uncle, Mr. Even More Famous Initials, that and a strong does of fatigue with any incumbent.
The country would rather not take your (or the DNC's) word for it. They want to see for themselves.

See what? No debates from incumbents in *NORMAL* in the primaries. If you want to counter that, go find some evidence that I am wrong. Did you watch the 2020 GOP primary debates? (I think not.) Or the 2012 Democratic primary debates? (Again, I think not.)

But we could take biden at his (former) word on it when it comes to transparency:

“In a democracy, the public deserves as much transparency as possible regarding the work of our national security institutions, consistent with legitimate needs to protect sources and methods and sensitive foreign relationships,” according to a memorandum issued by President Biden on February 4.
This has nothing to do with transparency.
 
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Blame? Blame!? There's no "blame" here. I just don't think that Mr. Famous initials Jr. has any real support. Just a (personally) mostly unknown individual (and a nut) who'd get the "Who?" response if he wasn't the son of Mr. Famous Initials and his uncle, Mr. Even More Famous Initials, that and a strong does of fatigue with any incumbent.

With all those little swipes you took at RFK Jr., it sounds as if you have something personal against him.

See what? No debates from incumbents in *NORMAL* in the primaries. If you want to counter that, go find some evidence that I am wrong. Did you watch the 2020 GOP primary debates? (I think not.) Or the 2012 Democratic primary debates? (Again, I think not.)

You just cited instances when there wasn't a serious contender. A growing number of democrats don't want biden to run again. They want a choice. But if the only other choice is to vote for the Republican opposition, well, I suppose that's ok too.

This has nothing to do with transparency.

An occasion for the voters to see their candidates debate each other and have their say on the issues is all about transparency (and making sure to have an informed electorate).
 
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With all those little swipes you took at RFK Jr., it sounds as if you have something personal against him.
I do. He's a menace to reason and sanity. There are dozens of famous people who would make that list. It's not about his challenge of Biden. (Though both of his "challegers" are on the list.)
You just cited instances when there wasn't a serious contender. A growing number of democrats don't want biden to run again. They want a choice. But if the only other choice is to vote for the Republican opposition, well, I suppose that's ok too.
I don't think Kennedy or Williamson are "serious contenders". They are political nobodies who are not making substantive cases.
An occasion for the voters to see their candidates debate each other and have their say on the issues is all about transparency (and making sure to have an informed electorate).
You do realize this is just the internal selection process for a party that already has a candidate, right?
 
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Just wait a year. He'll be debating ex-President Trump once they can work out a schedule around Trump's court dates.
You know full well Biden won't be debating again. All he can do is read a teleprompter, without going off into fanciful stories. And sometimes not even then.
 
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You do realize this is just the internal selection process for a party that already has a candidate, right?
When did the voters make that decision for 2024?
 
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But if you actually believe Russia's military is being destroyed, then why are they still able to launch massive attacks against Ukraine? And why does Ukraine still believe they need bigger and bigger weapons? Nothing has been enough so far, and nothing will be.

That is just it, though, Russia isn't launching "massive attacks" against Ukraine. In particularly, Russia has been fighting tooth and nail to hold onto the territory they won in the opening months of the war, while Ukraine was getting mobilized.
Ah, so it's just "collateral damage" when drones fly into downtown Moscow, supposedly looking for military transport aircraft?

No, in all these cases, the Ukranians stated they were targeting military buildings and, on the other side, you have the Russians claiming that they were able to "jam" the drones so that they did not hit their targets -- which meant they ended up damaging whatever was underneath them when they fell (not their target). So, yes, per what both sides are claiming it appears it was a legitimate case of "collateral damage" -- just as two deaths in Kyiv last night were "collateral damage" when a Ukrainian air defense system knocked out a Russian missile but the debris fell onto a civilian building, resulting in the deaths.

My big question is why Putin appears not to care about the "Russian little guy" that he keeps conscripting, often not even giving more than a day of training, and shipping them directly to the front line in Ukraine. Allegedly the Russians have lost over a quarter of a million men as combat losses since the war started -- with rumors there will be another large draft once the Russian elections are completed (once Putin is once again declared the victor) this spring.
 
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Then why not defend the little guys living in Russia that are being attacked by Ukrainian military?
That reminds me of an old Family Circus cartoon: "It all started when he hit me back."
 
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