Pagan holidays mixing with Christian ones

[Denadii]

And the "Lord's Supper?" According to the Word, instituted by Jesus himself, as a regular event by and through which to remember his death and resurrection until he comes.

Communion is a thing we do to bring covenant to our rememberance...Jesus suffered the stripes for our healing, for our deliverance, for the meeting of our needs....He died to pay the penalty of our sin..He became sin so we could be made the righteousness of God in the anointing....That is the entirety of communion, There is no history of it before the covenant...There is no celebration precovenant that we borrowed. So Yes we should practice communion, together as a family and in Gods presence, and alone just us and God. Remind Him of covenant promises as well as reminding ourselves.

 

[Monna]

Denadii, what of baptism? It is not a holiday (nor is communion) but a practice. Is it a Christian ritual or practice, or as some might say, a sacriment?

 

[Denadii]

Denadii, what of baptism? It is not a holiday (nor is communion) but a practice. Is it a Christian ritual or practice, or as some might say, a sacriment?

Of course...Baptism is not a celebration but a ritual we do to demonstrate our willingness to follow Jesus. I'm not against rituals that are taught in the Word, I'm against taking pagan celebrations and Christianizing them...Celebrations that the bible teaches against, celebrations that no early apostles, or other disciples celebrated...That Jesus did not celebrate... We are to be imitators of Jesus...Not to come up with better ways.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Of course...Baptism is not a celebration but a ritual we do to demonstrate our willingness to follow Jesus. I'm not against rituals that are taught in the Word, I'm against taking pagan celebrations and Christianizing them...Celebrations that the bible teaches against, celebrations that no early apostles, or other disciples celebrated...That Jesus did not celebrate... We are to be imitators of Jesus...Not to come up with better ways.

You have not demonstrated that celebrating the resurrection of Christ or fasting during lent is against the bible or goes against what the Apostles set up.

If your argument is that these feasts don't appear on the pages of scripture as mandated, then yes, but that is not necessarily a reason to be against them, as we have to go beyond the bible in order to actually have any sort of ecclesiastical or liturgical experience. We were not given a Torah of ceremonial laws by Christ.

 

[Choose Wisely]

Easter is East-er; the word "east-er" is about the east where the sun rises and the moon and stars rise in the east. The Christian celebration is about Jesus Christ who died and rose again from the dead and will come again from the Father's right hand to judge the living and the dead. There is no pagan link here.

So East-er is about the east where the sun rises. You are exactly correct. And yet you say there is no Pagan link here. Easter sunrise service anyone?

Ezekiel 8
15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.
16 And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.
18 Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.

I know, I know you think God is talking about primitive people worshiping the the sun. For those that don't know, the sun represents Satan........Baal.........Molech......the sun god. Known as the House of the Rising Sun. Here is another Pagan link that you can't seem to find.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

So East-er is about the east where the sun rises. You are exactly correct. And yet you say there is no Pagan link here. Easter sunrise service anyone?

Ezekiel 8
15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.
16 And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.
18 Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.

I know, I know you think God is talking about primitive people worshiping the the sun. For those that don't know, the sun represents Satan........Baal.........Molech......the sun god. Known as the House of the Rising Sun. Here is another Pagan link that you can't seem to find.

So Christians can never under any circumstance worship at Sunrise, got it. The sunrise is dedicated to the God of the Sun and not the God who created the sun. Under no circumstances can a Christian who has woken up at sunrise, pray, he should especially turn away from the Sun.

I can imagine a bizarre conflict with a Jew needing to worship in the direction of the Temple but the Sun has risen up in that exact same direction. He is trapped because he must offer morning prayers but if he does, he'll be a Pagan!

Though this doesn't impact Churches which celebrate the Paschal on at 11pm the day before Pascha until 12am. I believe that would be most traditional Churches, so your argument doesn't implicate my own Church's tradition.

Do you have anything better? Do you intend to respond to mine others responses to you?

 

[GingerBeer]

So East-er is about the east where the sun rises. You are exactly correct. And yet you say there is no Pagan link here. Easter sunrise service anyone?

Ezekiel 8
15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.
16 And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.
18 Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.

I know, I know you think God is talking about primitive people worshiping the the sun. For those that don't know, the sun represents Satan........Baal.........Molech......the sun god. Known as the House of the Rising Sun. Here is another Pagan link that you can't seem to find.

On Easter Sunday it is Jesus Christ who is worshipped because he is risen from the dead and he is Lord, the Lord God.

 

[Choose Wisely]

On Easter Sunday it is Jesus Christ who is worshipped because he is risen from the dead and he is Lord, the Lord God.

That's great.........I was just showing you what God thought about about those that worship the sun towards the east. Most of you have absolutely no clue what is going on. And you can just go ahead and do what God said not to do if it pleases you.

Heaven forbid that I use scripture to point out God's point of view. If His point of view means nothing to you, so be it.

 

[GingerBeer]

You might do a little research and find out why the Christian Passover has a different date than the Jewish Passover many times. Why the date difference? Shouldn't Passover be Passover? There is your connection to Ishtar....who is Semiramis

Easter is what English speaking people call it. In France people call it "Pâques". In Spain people call it "Pascua de Resurrección" and people in Mexico, Argentina, Chile, and the countries of central America give it the same name. In Brazil and Portugal people call it "Páscoa". All those words are derived from "passover".

 

[GingerBeer]

That's great.........I was just showing you what God thought about about those that worship the sun towards the east. Most of you have absolutely no clue what is going on. And you can just go ahead and do what God said not to do if it pleases you.

Heaven forbid that I use scripture to point out God's point of view. If His point of view means nothing to you, so be it.

In my church people gather at midnight to worship Jesus on Easter Sunday because Jesus Christ rose from the dead during the night hours of Sunday morning.

 

[prodromos]

So East-er is about the east where the sun rises. You are exactly correct. And yet you say there is no Pagan link here. Easter sunrise service anyone?

Ezekiel 8
15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.
16 And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.
18 Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.

I know, I know you think God is talking about primitive people worshiping the the sun. For those that don't know, the sun represents Satan........Baal.........Molech......the sun god. Known as the House of the Rising Sun. Here is another Pagan link that you can't seem to find.

Except that everyone is inside the Church, worshipping Christ at the time the sun is rising. No one is outside worshipping the sun.
I honestly wonder if you can get any more ridiculous, though I expect you may still surprise me.

 

[prodromos]

In my church people gather at midnight to worship Jesus on Easter Sunday because Jesus Christ rose from the dead during the night hours of Sunday morning.

As do we. Not even the slightest hint of the sun is visible. Thank goodness because according to some we might inadvertently find ourselves somehow worshipping the sun, and by extension every pagan God which has been associated with it. Even when we pray in our hearts, "Glory to you our Lord God and Saviour, Jesus Christ", if we just happen to glimpse the sun rising at that time then apparently our praise and worship gets transferred to Molech.
I never knew this before. Thank you for informing me, Choose Wisely. I am forever in your debt.

 

[Athanasius377]

If I gather what you are saying....letting the text speak for itself is bad. Every once in a while I get why the Catholics did everything in Latin. Who can know the truth but the scholar with his hand out.


No serious scientist would say "there is no such thing as evolution". Which means exactly squat as they are wrong. Evolution is bull no matter how many scientist say differently. Same goes for what we are discussing here. I'm not really interested in what a scholar thinks. I'm more interested in the truth.

That is called a red herring fallacy. It is an attempt to divert attention to the fact you have nothing to back up your claims besides your eisegesis of scripture.

 

[Choose Wisely]

Except that everyone is inside the Church, worshipping Christ at the time the sun is rising. No one is outside worshipping the sun.
I honestly wonder if you can get any more ridiculous, though I expect you may still surprise me.

It's God who said it, not me. I only showed the verse of those that face the east at the rising sun.

You in your blindness and ignorance have no clue. And then the blind man tells me what he sees. It's classic.

 

[prodromos]

It's God who said, it not me. I only showed the verse of those that face the east at the rising sun.

Which is not what people do at a dawn Easter service. No one pays any attention to the sun, so no pagan link.

You in your blindness and ignorance have no clue. And then the blind man tells me what he sees. It's classic.

This little discussion has been eye opening. I'll grant you that.

 

[Choose Wisely]

That is called a red herring fallacy. It is an attempt to divert attention to the fact you have nothing to back up your claims besides your eisegesis of scripture.

So you are using what is called the ostrich approach. It is an attempt to divert attention by claiming there is no evidence beyond being caught red handed and obtaining a signed confession, all the while keeping your head in the sand so you can't see the absolute spot on evidence.

 

[Choose Wisely]

Which is not what people do at a dawn Easter service. No one pays any attention to the sun, so no pagan link.

Don't you mean Easter Sunrise Service? Or do we have to make up a new name because the true name is so incriminating.

The whole point is the Pagan link is right in the Bible when it says turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.

..........with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

No one is saying that if you happen to attend an Easter Sunrise Service you are worshiping Satan. I'm just showing you the Pagan origin.........that you claim there is no link to.

 

[Albion]

I love the fact that the Pope wears a hat taken from Dagon the fish God of the Philistines. Lol

That one has to be one of my favorites. The "hat" (called a 'mitre') actually derives from the image of the cloven tongues of fire that rested upon the Apostles in the upper room at Pentecost.

 

[Albion]

Communion is a thing we do to bring covenant to our rememberance...Jesus suffered the stripes for our healing, for our deliverance, for the meeting of our needs....He died to pay the penalty of our sin..He became sin so we could be made the righteousness of God in the anointing....That is the entirety of communion, There is no history of it before the covenant...There is no celebration precovenant that we borrowed. So Yes we should practice communion, together as a family and in Gods presence, and alone just us and God. Remind Him of covenant promises as well as reminding ourselves.

Are you saying that Christ did not have a meal with his followers before his arrest in which he broke bread and passed around wine, telling his disciples to do this in the future and that it--which is called the 'Lord's Supper' logically enough--is not a Christian practice?

 

[Athanasius377]

So you are using what is called the ostrich approach. It is an attempt to divert attention by claiming there is no evidence beyond being caught red handed and obtaining a signed confession, all the while keeping your head in the sand so you can't see the absolute spot on evidence.

Let me try this game. I loathe coconut cream pie and it must be pagan. I find the closest reference in scripture and point to it as my evidence.
Because Jeremiah 10 is clearly teaching that coconut cream pies have a pagan source. You're right, this game is absolutely smashing!