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Here is my response to this question (it's from a Catholic perspective, so keep that in mind). We all know that we can't earn salvation. It is only through God's grace that we are saved. However, although we can't earn salvation, we can lose it. Catholics believe that if one commits a mortal sin (i.e. one that leads to death of the soul), he or she will automatically be condemned unless the sin is repented of (for us, this means confession to a priest). See, when we commit a mortal sin, we lose the sactifying grace that God has given us. Our relationship with Him is severed; our souls are no longer in friendship with him. This is where the good works part comes in. By doing what God wants and obeying his commandments (and not committing grave sins), our souls remain in friendship with Him. This is what makes salvation a possibility.
 
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Rosa Mystica said:
Here is my response to this question (it's from a Catholic perspective, so keep that in mind). We all know that we can't earn salvation. It is only through God's grace that we are saved. However, although we can't earn salvation, we can lose it. Catholics believe that if one commits a mortal sin (i.e. one that leads to death of the soul), he or she will automatically be condemned unless the sin is repented of (for us, this means confession to a priest). See, when we commit a mortal sin, we lose the sactifying grace that God has given us. Our relationship with Him is severed; our souls are no longer in friendship with him. This is where the good works part comes in. By doing what God wants and obeying his commandments (and not committing grave sins), our souls remain in friendship with Him. This is what makes salvation a possibility.
Amen my sister!
 
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You want proof Judas was once saved? Here it goes, i know you will still not believe, cause you dont want to, but i will post a short part of my proof.
JUDAS ISCARIOT WAS A DISCIPLE
John 12:4

“Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot…”

To be a disciple of Christ you must be saved, you must already be a child of God in God's family.

A disciple is called out from among the saved. And not every child of God is a disciple. A disciple is not happy with just being saved, but instead, he desires to go on further knowing the Lord's will for his life. He is "growing in grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ" in 2 Peter 3:18. He continues in the words of Christ and is getting to know the truth which sets him free from the power of sin. A disciple has a hunger to obey the commandments of Jesus Christ. His level of commitment is higher than that of a normal Christian who attends church only on Sundays.

Judas Iscariot was a disciple! That is what the Bible says!

DISCIPLESHIP IS CONDITIONED ON OBEDIENCE
Luke 14:26-27

26 If any [saved] man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. 27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.




The word "hate," in Luke 14:26, is a term that means preference. It doesn't mean that we hate our family with bitter animosity, but rather, it means we place our allegiance to Christ and His will over all close family relationships. He has the first place in our lives. That is being a disciple. Judas was a disciple. He obeyed this passage. He was a follower of Jesus Christ. Therefore, I believe, he was a saved man. He was a Jew that believed in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. And he also believed that Jesus was the Christ, the Jewish Messiah.

Judas was not only a disciple of Jesus Christ but he was chosen by the Lord, out of all His disciples, to fulfill a unique ministry as one of the twelve apostles.
JUDAS WAS ONE OF THE TWELVE
Luke 6:13-16

13 And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles; 14 Simon, (whom he also named Peter,) and Andrew his brother, James and John, Philip and Bartholomew, 15 Matthew and Thomas, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon called Zelotes, 16 And Judas the brother of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor.



John 6:71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

The ministry of the twelve apostles was unique and different from our ministry today. How? They were taught directly by Jesus Christ and they followed Him around the land of Israel. Also, in 2 Corinthians 12:12, they were given special power and authority to perform signs, wonders, and miracles in order to give them credibility that God was with them, and that Jesus was truly the Christ. Judas was part of this elect group of men. Peter says in Acts 1:17 that "For he was numbered with us and had obtained part of this ministry."

I think it is very significant that the Lord Jesus Christ called Judas His friend.

JESUS CHRIST CALLED JUDAS HIS FRIEND
Matthew 26:50

And Jesus said unto him, Friend, wherefore art thou come? Then came they, and laid hands on Jesus, and took him. How was he Jesus's friend at one time? This proves at one time, he was NOT Jesus's enemy![/I]In the Old Testament Psalms we have a prophesy about Judas. It is actually a double reference. It also refers to Ahithophel who was one of King David's closest counselors in his kingdom. He ended up betraying David though he was his friend.

JUDAS WAS THE LORD’S OWN FAMILIAR FRIEND
Psalm 41:9

Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.

The Lord quoted this Psalm in John 13:18 as being fulfilled through Judas, "I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.”

To eat bread with the King was an honor that was only given to those who were very close to him.

I also believe that Psalm 55 is a prophesy about Judas.

JUDAS WAS NOT THE LORD’S ENEMY
Psalm 55:12-14

12 For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that hated me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him:

13 But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance.

14 We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company. What does verse 12 say again? It was NOT his enemy that reproached him! How then was he of the Devil all along??? He wasnt! If he was, he could NEVER have been a friend of Jesus!
The twelve had a close relationship with the Lord. It was a more intimate fellowship than what all the multitudes that followed Jesus had with Him. Jesus ministered to the multitudes but He taught and showed things to the twelve that the multitudes did not see or hear.

The point I want to make about the above two passages is that Judas was very close to the Lord.

JUDAS CAST OUT DEVILS
Matthew 10:1-4

1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;

3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;

4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

This is very important. I want to prove, in spite of traditional teaching, that Judas was not an unsaved man.

He cast out devils!

We have people today that believe they should also follow the apostles’ ministry by casting out devils. Yet there is no command or formal instruction in the Epistles to do this. Let me make one thing clear, we are never to talk with demons. We can go directly to the Sovereign God of the Bible and address Him. We talk to God, not to demons. The people who are involved in casting out demons in the church today place their experience above the Scriptures. They have stories after stories after stories. And if someone gives you a personal experience as his authority, you cannot debate it. By the way, the Lord gave us a warning in Matthew 7:22-23 about being involved in casting out demons. Unfortunately, most people believe that this warning is addressed to unsaved people. And that is merely an excuse to avoid accountability before God.

The Lord gave Judas, along with the other apostles, power over demons, a supernatural ability to heal all manner of sickness and disease, and even power to raise the dead. This was supernatural.

If Judas was unsaved, then Jesus Christ gave an unsaved person the very abilities which prove that the apostles were Christ's messengers. By the way, if Judas was unsaved and owned by Satan then how did he cast out devils?

SATAN CANNOT CAST OUT SATAN
When Jesus was accused of casting out devils by devils, He replied by saying:

Matthew 12:26

And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

This is a rhetorical question. Satan's kingdom will not stand if Satan casts out Satan! The point is that Judas could not cast out devils if he was under the ownership of Satan. There is no way Jesus or Judas could cast out devils by devils.


JUDAS SAW AND HEARD
Matthew 13:16-17

16 Jesus said, “But blessed are your [the twelve] eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. 17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.”

Remember that Judas saw the unique, earthly ministry of Jesus Christ. He was right there when Jesus raised the dead son of the widow of Nain in Luke 7. He saw Christ feed the 5,000 with five barley loaves and two small fish. He saw Him walk on water. He heard the deep teachings of Jesus Christ. As an apostle of Christ, he had MORE LIGHT given to him than any other person that has ever lived. And with more light comes more accountability and greater judgment. The apostles were walking with God in the flesh. The light they had been given was BRIGHT!

Christ brought a higher accountability
Matthew 12:41

Jesus said, “The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation [the generation that witnessed the earthly ministry of Christ], and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater [Jesus Christ] than Jonah is here [and there was no repentance].”

The point I really want to make here is that when Jesus appeared on the earth among men He brought them a higher accountability. He was the final revelation which is greater than all the prophets put together (Hebrew 1:1-2). The generation of Jews, to whom He came, was highly accountable.

Jesus Christ came to the Jews preaching the message of the Kingdom (Matthew 4:17). It was a restricted message (Matthew 10:5-6). Therefore, it was not a message of getting saved or becoming a Christian, but instead, it was a message for the saved Jews of that generation. His message was with repentance and baptism. That is the reason the Bible says that He came to His own (John 1:11) and that He was a minister of circumcision in Romans 15:8. His message was for the already saved. If that is not understood, then confusion in the Gospels will abound.

I really want you to understand that the generation to whom Christ came was made highly accountable.

Remember what Jesus said in Matthew 13:16-17 "blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. 17For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them."

Much is given much is required
Luke 12:47-48

47 And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Notice that Jesus is talking about "that servant." He is the same servant who was mentioned in verse 43. In that verse he was "blessed" for being faithful, but if that same servant would turn away from the truth, from “knowing his lord’s will," he would be in trouble.

We are talking about accountability of a servant. The penalty will be greater if one falls away from knowing his Lord’s will, from preparing himself, or from doing according to the will of the Lord.

If you are given much, just as Judas was, there is going to be much required from you by the Lord!

sometimes It is better Not to know
If the Lord grants you understanding of His truth, yet you fall away or turn from that truth, it would have been better had you not known it at all. This is a very sad thing to witness.

2 Peter 2:21

For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

2 Peter 2 is not written to the Mormons or the Jehovah Witnesses. It was written to those who "had known the way of righteousness." This means that they had come into the knowledge of the truth but had turned away from it! The only one that can do that is a saved man! It would have been better for them not to have known the truth. Why? Because they are going to be judged according to the truth they had. There will be no mercy for them at the Judgment Seat of Christ. They can only expect the terror of the Lord. Hebrew 10:31 is a trustworthy saying: "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

Someone told me recently that "the outer darkness" mentioned in three parables in the Gospel of Matthew, is addressing unsaved Jews. He also said that the outer darkness is never mentioned in the Epistles. Therefore, it is not something Christians have to fear about during the millennial kingdom.

Well, he hasn't read 2 Peter 2:17. The darkness mentioned in that passage is for the age to come. Peter is not talking to the Jews in the tribulation period. Rather, he is talking to Christians who apostatize through false teaching. It is amazing what people will do to avoid and escape accountability! They plainly twist the Scriptures to their own destruction according to 2 Peter 3:16.

JUDAS WAS A TRAITOR
Luke 6:16

And Judas the brother of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor.

The word "traitor" refers to a person who violates or goes against that which has been trusted to him. A traitor commits treason. Judas committed treason against the Lord by siding with the enemy. He knew the truth yet he held it down and went against it.
Judas was trusted with a unique ministry and he had a unique choice. He departed or fell from that ministry.

TRAITORS IN THE LAST DAYS
Did you know that in the last days there will be more traitors?

2 Timothy 3:1-2, 4

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.2 For men shall be... 4 Traitors, heady, high minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

The word "traitor" is also associated with apostasy which means to stand away from. It is used in the New Testament for the word “divorcement.” That means that one has to be married in order to be divorced. The same is true with apostasy. It is not for the unsaved, but rather for the saved. A person has to be in the faith before he can walk away from it. Yes, Christian people can and do apostatize!

Judas was a traitor---He divorced himself from Christ! How can he be a traitor if he were never with Jesus? NO one and I mean NO ONE can betray an enemy! They at once were true friends my brothers and sisters!
Amen, Praise God! :priest:
Joe
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JVD said:
Joe...is your doctorate in religious studies from a catholic institution? This is not a cynical question. But it would explain the deep devide between us and why it seems that you...and I are not able to make any headway in understanding each others positions.

It still seems to me that you advocate sinlessness. If so..why did Christ die?
Nah, im in no way Catholic.
But i agree, with Rosa there is MORE to believing that what is taught. Do you deny that demons even believe? But are they saved? Do you deny that lots of unsaved people believe in God, but are they saved?
I believe in eternal security in OBEDIENCE. We are NOT saved unto disobedience, do you agree with this?
Once again i go back to the faith issue. Are we saved by dead faith? What is live faith? Its faith WITH works. When one is truly truly saved they will not continue in sin! I cant understand why people dont understand this.
Name one person from the New Testament, that was saved, but yet continued in sin.
By the way, im not Catholic and i DONT agree with all their views. I am Pentecostal. But yet, i preach at any church that invites me whether it is Baptist, Pentecostal, Methodist, or Presbyterian! I would preach in the Middle of a Cult, if i were to be invited!
God Bless,
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This was posted on another thread but in case it was missed - I thought'd try again to see if the below post might help someone who is struggling with their eternal security. May God bless

Lose Your Salvation in Two Easy Steps


There is a lot debate today on losing one’s salvation. I’ve decided to boil it down to 2 simple steps to make it easy for you.

1. Do something that causes you to lose it.
Now, I don’t know what that “something” could be because Paul never talked about it and since Paul is the apostle to the Gentiles and the revealer of the body of Christ to us today then he would be the one to tell us what to do to lose it. Since Paul spent 13 epistles expounding Christ and justification surely he would spend some time on how to lose it!

2. Undo all that God did at your salvation.
See how easy it is! Now, let’s go down a simple list of things that God did and all you have to do is make this list your check list and mark them all as you undo them. OK put your tennis shoes on and let’s go!!!

1) Get God to un-forgive you – Eph. 1:7

2) Get God to un-redeem you - Rom. 3:24

3) Get God to un-circumcise you – Col. 2:13

4) Get God to un-adopt you – Rom. 8:15

5) Get God to un-seat you – Eph. 2:6

6) Get God to un-sanctify you – I Cor. 6:11

7) Get God to un-glorify you – Rom. 8:30

8) Get God to un-seal you – Eph. 1:13

9) Get God to un-justify you – Rom. 3:24; 8:30

10) Get God to un-bless you – Eph. 1:3

11) Get God to un-bury you – Rom. 6:4; Col. 2:12

12) Get God to un-raise you – Eph. 2:6

13) Get God to un-quicken you – Eph. 2:1

14) Get God to take Christ out of you – Col. 1:27

15) Get God to take you out of Christ’s physical body – Eph. 5:30

And a few more that I failed to present here.

Now, you se how simple that was – if you can undo all that God has done for you then you are free and clear once again. Then when you “repent” and get right then all the above 15 things will happen again. Then when you “sin it away” again then you can undo it all over again! My what a life! About as confusing as a termite in a yoyo/

Yes, I know all those verses in Matthew (before the cross) and all those verses in Hebrews and James (doctrinally during the tribulation) and of course Revelation (during the 7 year tribulation where the body of Christ is not present anyway) – Yes, I’ve seen all those verses, had them thrown out of context at me for over 20 years now.

Until you can show me how a blood-bought, redeemed, regenerated saint in this age can lose all that God has done for him then I might give you a listen. Until then I will stay secure in Christ for all eternity – glory!!!

May God richly bless
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Christy4Christ said:
Matthew5:20

"For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of Heaven"

Exactly that's why Christ died for us, because we could not in our own power or ability be that righeous. Our righteouness comes from Jesus' work on the cross and nothing more, there is no cross + this or that, it's the cross alone that atoned for my sins (those I have commited, those I am commiting, and those I will commit), and it's the cross alone that keeps me.
 
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joevberry3 said:
Adam and Eve

Got a verse that says Adam and Eve lost their salvation? They were punished for their sins, but the text does not indicate that the punishment included "lose" of their salvation. God killed some animals and made skins for them to cover their nakedness and symbolically cover their sins (many beleive thats where the blood atonement started). I think your reading something into that text that is not there.

joevberry3 said:
David--he repented of his adultery and murder

Again, verses please where David stopped being a man after God's own heart and then restarted again after he repented.


joevberry3 said:
ananias and sapphira

How do we know they were saved to begin with? The text does not indicate they were saved, and to assume they were is a pretty big assumption.

joevberry3 said:
the Galatians--they fell from grace.one cant fall from grace of one had never been under grace.

I love the term "fall from grace", if there was nothing I did to earn grace, how can I fall from it, I didn't deserve it to begin with. In my study I don't remember the text indicating that Paul said they were in fact no longer saved.

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Peter denied Jesus. Jesus himself said if you deny me, i will deny you. (are you gonna disagree with Jesus here) But we see, Peter repented of his denial when he realized what he had done.

John 21, Peter didn't repent, Jesus approached Peter and initaited the questions, not Peter. Peter had nothing to do with his restoration, Jesus did everything. The text says nothing about Peter repenting or asking Jesus to forgive him for denying Him, Jesus did all the work.

Joe, it would seem you are making some assumptions and taking some liberties with the Scriptures to make your points. Anyone can twist the Scriptures (Satan did) to make them say what they want, that's why we have to be discerning.
 
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AVBunyan said:
Real simple - if you think you can lose your salvation then you are counting on you to keep your salvation - therefore you are not counting on Christ for your salvation. Your salvation is basicaly a works salvation because you are counting on you to keep it thus you are trusting in your efforts. You believe Christ, by grace, opened the door but it is up to you to get in. Sounds like works salvation to me - no, I'm sure it is works salvation if you are counting on anything other than Christ.

Basically if one thinks he can lose it then there are only two possiblities here:
1. You never were regenerated to begin with.
2. You are just confused on what really took place at Calvary.

I'm counting on what Christ did at Calvary alone for justification.


AVBunyan, VERY well put. :clap:

May He give you His Shalom, peace be with you my brother.....
 
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OSAS is true. But it is only an assumption that you have be saved.

Have I been saved? I don't know. I follow the teaching of Jesus. I repent and be baptised. I know that I will be saved by Jesus. Not now, but in the future on the judgment day.
The teachings of Jesus will guide me in my life but one day I will die. When do my name put in the book of Life? I don't know.

Who told you that you have been saved? Jesus or yourself or by your faith in Jesus.

If by Jesus, Yes, you have been saved.
If by yourself, I don't know.
If by your faith in Jesus, how much faith do you have?
 
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Andyman_1970 said:
Got a verse that says Adam and Eve lost their salvation? They were punished for their sins, but the text does not indicate that the punishment included "lose" of their salvation. God killed some animals and made skins for them to cover their nakedness and symbolically cover their sins (many beleive thats where the blood atonement started). I think your reading something into that text that is not there. Yeah i got a verse...God told them both you shall surely die..Did he mean phsically? Did they drop dead? No, he was talking about spiritually!

Again, verses please where David stopped being a man after God's own heart and then restarted again after he repented. Why did he repent?Was it for fun? Why did he ask God not to blot his name out? Why did he ask God not to take his holy spirit from him? Was it for fun? Did the prayer mean absolutely nothing at all? Why dont you explain exactly what the prayer meant my brother?


How do we know they were saved to begin with? The text does not indicate they were saved, and to assume they were is a pretty big assumption.



I love the term "fall from grace", if there was nothing I did to earn grace, how can I fall from it, I didn't deserve it to begin with. In my study I don't remember the text indicating that Paul said they were in fact no longer saved.
Then Andy how did they fall from Grace? DUH! How can one fall from anything that they hadnt been on???????????
John 21, Peter didn't repent, Jesus approached Peter and initaited the questions, not Peter. Peter had nothing to do with his restoration, Jesus did everything. The text says nothing about Peter repenting or asking Jesus to forgive him for denying Him, Jesus did all the work. Yes it does, u need to reread. Peter ran out and begin crying and showing remorse. Repentance is showing remorse my brother!
Joe, it would seem you are making some assumptions and taking some liberties with the Scriptures to make your points. Anyone can twist the Scriptures (Satan did) to make them say what they want, that's why we have to be discerning.
I dont twist scripture--i dont accuse you of such---so lets remember the issue here--
 
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It amazes me that people believe the lie that one can say a prayer, not have any change, still live like Hell, but yet be saved...how odd...A lie straight from Satan.
I received an email a few weeks back from a young lady that is into witchcraft, but yet claimed to be saved. She told me to bust hell wide open. She even gave me her Pastors name and number(A Baptist Pastor from Tennessee) He told her yeah your saved although your involved in this witchcraft.
Who's the liar? Him or God?
When you practice witchcraft you are serving the very OPPOSITE of God! But yet expects to go to Heaven?
Unless she repents and quits that witchcraft, shes on the way to Hell, and so is her Pastor for telling her basically yeah, its ok, go sin..
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joevberry3 said:
It amazes me that people believe the lie that one can say a prayer, not have any change, still live like Hell, but yet be saved...how odd...A lie straight from Satan...

I totally agree, I think the vast majority of people who "claim" to be saved, but yet have no fruit of the Spirit in their life (I'm talking none), are in fact not saved to begin with. A person can "pray the prayer" and not get saved. The prayer does not save, it's the condition of your heart and if that person truly gave their life to Jesus.

I would becareful about how you say this Baptist pastor preaches this or that. Your statement could be construded that all Baptist are this way, I know three Baptist pastors that would take offense to such a generalization.

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Unless she repents and quits that witchcraft, shes on the way to Hell, and so is her Pastor for telling her basically yeah, its ok, go sin.

And that Pastor will have to stand before Jesus on Judgement day and answer for his actions.
 
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Andyman_1970 said:
I totally agree, I think the vast majority of people who "claim" to be saved, but yet have no fruit of the Spirit in their life (I'm talking none), are in fact not saved to begin with. A person can "pray the prayer" and not get saved. The prayer does not save, it's the condition of your heart and if that person truly gave their life to Jesus.

I would becareful about how you say this Baptist pastor preaches this or that. Your statement could be construded that all Baptist are this way, I know three Baptist pastors that would take offense to such a generalization.



And that Pastor will have to stand before Jesus on Judgement day and answer for his actions.
I agree Andy, that all Baptist preachers dont preach like this, but lots do. I was once diehard Baptist, and have seen it with my eyes and ears. When I was saved at 13 then later backslid, and God Started dealing with me(in fact woke me from sleep and told me where i was headed) i still had 3 different Baptist Pastors tell me, ahhh your saved, thats not God speaking to you.
But, who's word did i take? Im glad i Took God's conviction seriously. Since then, since i gave my life completely to God, those thoughts of not being saved have NOT once entered me. So, yeah it was God speaking to me. I would say to anyone, if your not 100% sure you going to Heaven if you would drop dead today, rededicate yourself to God. Its better to be safe than sorry.
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Joe
 
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joevberry3 said:
Also, rnmomof7, if nothing we do causes us to fallfrom Grace, how then did the Gelatins fall? Were they a special case? It simply amazes me, that they could fall, but now we hear ppl say nothing we do can make us fall.
I dont wanna hear what they did or so. No matter what they did, they were under grace at one time, but Paul said you have fallen from grace. I wanna know how they could have fell, but we cant?
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I almost overlooked this post Joe

Could you show me where it speaks of the Galatians loosing their salvation?

Galatians deals not with the denial of Christ , or a false Christ..it deals with adding to the gospel a work (circumcision and the laws of the Jews)

I believe that you know that this dispute was dealt with at the council of Jerusalem . The council did not condemn those that looked to the Jewish tradition as lost.
It simply made a ruling that Gentiles were not held to the laws of the Jews.


The context of this epistle shows that Paul assumes the readers saved status from the beginning of the epistle (1:2-4). He reminds them that they were called in the grace of Christ (1:6). The concept of grace is at the heart of the proper interpretation of Galatians, and at the heart of the Galatians misunderstanding of their relationship with God. Apparently they did not understand all the implications of their salvation by grace and were easily confused by false teachers (1:6-9; 3:1;4:17; 5:7,12).

Paul is seeking to dissuade the Galatian believers from trusting in the Old Testament law as a means of sanctification. That would be contrary to the principle of salvation by grace.


That is why he criticized Peter for not being consistent with grace (2:11-14) and explained I do not set aside the grace of God(2:21). Since the Galatians began their Christian lives in the Spirit they should not think they could grow to maturity by their own fleshly efforts at keeping the law


(3:2-3). The law only brings a curse (3:10).


As believers who have been justified through faith, the Galatians are now sons of God (3:26) and no longer slaves to the law (4:5-7). They need to stand fast in their liberty and not become entangled in the bondage of the law (5:1). If they revert to legalism, Christ will not profit them in sanctification (5:2), because keeping the external requirements of the law by fleshly efforts cannot bring anyone closer to God. To be acceptable to God, he must keep the whole law perfectly (5:3), an impossibility

Dr. Charlie Bing, GraceLife Ministries,

Joe what I find most interesting is you believe that Galatians are lost for doing exactly what you do. Failing to believe the work of Christ is sufficent, they they have to "do" something to assure or keep their salvation.
 
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