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Olivet Discourse and Revelation Same Event?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by LittleLambofJesus, Aug 22, 2008.

  1. I view them as the same event

  2. I do not view them as the same event

  3. My denomination has no view on it

  4. Other [please elaborate]

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  1. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Greetings. I asked a RC on another thread whether their Denomination viewed the Olivet Discourse and Revelation as the same event.
    So I am making a poll here to ask whether others view them the same or differently. Thanks.

    http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7274245

    Luke 21:28 Beginning yet to-be-becoming these-things, up-bend!, and lift up! the heads of ye, thru-that is nearing the loosing/apo-lutrwsiV <629> of ye [Daniel 12/Reve 19,20]

    Reve 16:17 and the seventh one pours out the bowl of him upon the air and came out a Voice, great, out of the Sanctuary from the Throne saying :it-has-become/gegonen <1096> (5754). [Revelation 21:6]
     
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  2. HisdaughterJen

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    Matt 24/Mark 13/Luke 21 appear to be describing events from the ascension of Christ to 70AD to the present and leading up to the Day of the Lord....in other words, a nearly 2000 year time span. (in my opinion) It describes Israel's demise under the wrath of God for nearly 2000 years. It doesn't mention the wrath that is poured out on the earth or the kingdom of the beast, the two witnesses, the various judgments, etc that happen after the earthquake/sun/moon darken.
     
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  4. squint

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    Revelation in general is about The Revealing of Jesus Christ...who WAS, IS and IS TO COME...therefore the expanse of time encompassed therein is from beginning to end and not limited to some setpoint.

    My belief is that the encounter is largely about the workings of The Spirit engaging the anti-spirits and the eventual eradication/elimination of those anti-Christ spirits.

    When you read the Olivet Discourse the nations that will rise against one another do not entail 'physical' nations that we can see with our eyes, but The Kingdom/Nation of God and the kingdom/nation(s) of the anti-Christ spirits i.e. "Mystery Babylon," the "mystery of iniquity."

    Where the Gospel is preached in the "whole world" it is in part that world of the anti-Christ spirits inclusive that "we" again do not perceive with "flesh" eyes or "eyes of darkness."

    enjoy!

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  5. LittleLambofJesus

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    Hi Jen and thanks for responding. The word for famine is used twice in Revelation and what is curious is that it appears to happen on a 4th of the Land [which could be Judea in Israel, as that is where the Olivet Discourse takes place].

    What does it mean by "fourth of the land"? :wave:

    Matt 24:7 "For shall be being roused nation upon nation, and kingdom upon kingdom. And shall be famines/limoi <3042>, pestilences, and quakes according to places. [Mark 13:8, Luke 21:11]

    Reve 6:8 And I saw and behold! a horse, green, and the one sitting upon him, name to-him, the Death, and the Hades followed with him. And was given to them authority on the fourth of the Land to-kill in sword, and in famine/limw <3042>, and in death, and by the wild-beasts of the land. [Fourth used in Revelation 4:7]

    Reve 18:8 by this, in one day shall be arriving the blows of Her, death and sorrow and famine/limoV <3042>; and in fire She shall be being burned, that strong Lord, the God, the one judging Her
     
  6. LittleLambofJesus

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    Since Ezekiel show the "gog-magog" happening on the Mountains of Israel and the Olivet Discourse show the Armegeddon happening in and around Judea/Jerusalem, the way it appears to me, the "gog-magog" are being led to "armegeddon".

    Ezekiel 39:17
    " And thou son of adam, thus He says my Lord YHWH, say thou! to bird of every wing, and to all of beast of the field: 'be assembled/06908 qabats ye! and come ye! together/0622 'acaph ye from round about on sacrifice of Me which I sacrificing for ye, a sacrifice great on Mountains/02022 har of Israel, and ye eat flesh and ye drink blood. 18 Flesh of mighty-ones ye shall eat, and blood of princes of the Land ye shall drink.....

    Luke 17:37 And anwering they are saying to Him "where Lord"! The yet He said to them "wherever the corpse there also the eagles/aetoi <105> shall be being gathered/sun-acqhsontai <4863> (5701)". [Matthew 24:28]


    Using a greek interlinear, one can see the same exact form of the greek word #4863 is used in Reve 16 and 20 and both use the words "The Battle". According to the Bible, there is only one Great Day of the Lord God Almighty, not 2. Thoughts?


    Reve 16:14 For they are spirits of demons doing signs which is going-out on the kings of the land, and the being-homed, whole, to-be-together-leading/sunagagein <4863> (5629) them into the Battle
    of the Day, that the Great of the God the Almighty.

    Reve 16:16 And he together-leading/sunagagein <4863> (5629) them into the Place, the being called to Hebrew Armageddwn


    Reve 20:8 and he shall be coming out to deceive the nations, the in the Four Corners of the Land, the Gog and Magog, to be together-leading/sunagagein <4863> (5629) them into the Battle, of which the Number of them as the Sand of the Sea.[Ezekiel 7:1-2]
     
  7. HisdaughterJen

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    Check out Zech 6. The riders/horses went different directions. The one for famine went South (towards the continent of Africa.)

    That continent has been plagued by famine.

    That's how I see it...take it or leave it.
     
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    Two different armies, two different purposes, two different battles.
     
  9. LittleLambofJesus

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    Ok. But you do agree the Olivet Discourse and Revelation 1-19 are the same event? If so, then we are at least in agreement on that. And if you respond to this thread could you pleas also vote? Thanks. [only 5 votes so far LOL!!!!]
     
  10. LittleLambofJesus

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    Hmm, I guess most Christians are on the GT or GA board as only 6 people voted. I actually find this an important topic and I do want to thank those who did vote.
    I may go to the OBOB board and see if I can get some Catholics to come here.
     
  11. simonthezealot

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    For integrity prophets prophecied a near event so when that happened it would make people take heed that the far off event was indeed going to happen as well, it's important we understand that to know that the discourse is a sermon of His second coming...Jerusalems destruction was only a crediblity aspect and not what the sermon was on.
    Revelation 6:9-11 tells us what takes place when the fifth seal is opened the passage describes believers of the trib who have been wiped out for their faith. They didn't escape the terrible wrath of the Antichrist.
     
  12. LittleLambofJesus

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    HUH?!!?!?! Surely you are joking bro, and now we can see why the Jews, Muslims and other religions mock our NT/NC as CHRISTianity cannot even come ONE view of .

    But then I suppose there could be some confusion on WHEN "john" not only visioned Revelation but when it was written and which "sanctuary" is being measured here and TRANSLATIONS

    Oh I also have a thread on the court which I can view as the court of the Priest which was just outside the Sanctuary

    http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7272732
    The Court in Revelation 11:2

    Galatian 4:30 but what saith the Writing? `Be Casting Out!/ek-bale <1544> (5628) the maid-servant and the son of her....[Genesis 21:10]

    Luke 21:5 And certain saying about the Temple/ierou <2411> that to stones ideal, and devoted-things/anaqhmasin <334> it hath been adorned, He said,.......

    Revelation 11:2 and the court, the without of the sanctuary, be thou Casting-Out/ek-bale <1544> (5628)! out-side, and no her thou should be measuring,
     
  13. LittleLambofJesus

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    This is interesting. I was studying on that "time of the nations" in Ezekiel 30 and since I am of the view that it is the Temple/Sanctuary/Jerusalem that Jesus came to showing in Revelation, could this times of nations in Luke 21 be referring to that 42 months in Reve 11:2?

    I just saw this today:

    Luke 21:24 "And they shall be falling by mouth of sword, and they shall be being led captive into all the nations. And Jerusalem shall be being trampled by nations until which may be being filled times of nations [Ezekiel 30:1/Daniel 12/Revelation 13:10]

    Reve 11:2 and the court, the without of the sanctuary, be thou casting-out! out-side, and no her thou should be measuring, that she was given to the nations. And the city, the holy, they shall be trampling forty two months
     
  14. LittleLambofJesus

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    I decided to check an interlinear to see where this form of the greek word for "fill" was used.

    It is used 5 times, 4 in the Gospels and once in Revelation.

    A little ironic it matches that word in Reve 6:11 concerning Saints being killed.

    http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7245861&page=2
    Reve Chapt 6 Translation

    Luke 21:24 "And they shall be falling by mouth of sword, and they shall be being led captive into all the Nations. And Jerusalem shall be being trampled by Nations until which may be being filled/plhrwqwsin <4137> (5686) times of Nations [Ezekiel 30:1/Daniel 12/Revelation 11:2/ 13:10]

    Revelation 6:11 And was given to them each a robe, white, and it was declared to them that they should be resting still a time, little, till may be being filled/plhrwqwsin <4137> (5686) also the together-bond-servants of them and the brothers of them, the ones being about to be being killed as also they.
     
  15. LittleLambofJesus

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    Hmm. Only 8 votes so far. Thanks for those that did vote. :wave:

    Matthew 24:31 and He shall be sending His messengers with a Trumpet sound, great, and they shall be upon-together-gathering/episunaxousin <1996> (5692) the out-called-ones of Him out of the four winds, from extremities of heavens till the extremities of them.

    Revelation 10:7 But in the Days of the voice of the seventh messenger, when-ever he may be being about to be trumpeting, also is finish/telesqh <5055> (5686) the Mystery of the GOD, as He brings good-news to His bond-servants, the prophets.
     
  16. Bible2

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    Matthew 24:3b-51 and Revelation chapters 6-19 refer
    to the same future tribulation and second coming of
    Christ. They have never been fulfilled.
     
  17. LittleLambofJesus

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    Greetings. But wasn't the Olivet Discourse spoken before the destruction of the OC Judean temple/sactuary as prophecied by Jesus and Daniel? :confused:

    Luke 21:5 And certain saying about the Temple that to Stones ideal, and devoted-things it hath been adorned,He said,.......

    Luke 21:23 "Woe yet to the-ones in belly having, and to those giving suckin those, the Days. For shall be great distress on the Land, and Wrath in the People, this

    Reve 9:6 and in the Days, those, shall be seeking the men, the Death, and not no they shall be finding him. And they shall be yearning to be dying, and is fleeing the death from them
     
  18. huldah153

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    I accidentally voted for the wrong option, but never mind. Christ's words were directed at the disciples, not a people 2,000 years in the future. There is not a single sign that Jesus gave that cannot be explained as having happened before 70 AD. Space does not permit me to cover very sign, but let me just give one example;

    This gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all nations, and then the end will come.
    Some might say that the prophecy of the gospel being preached to all nations has never occurred before, and could not have been possible within the first century. But obviously, it was possible; the Apostle Paul (60 AD) spoke of "the truth of the gospel, which is come to you, as it is in all the world." (Col 1:5-6) He also said to the Colossians that "the hope of the gospel, which you have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven." And in Romans 10:15-18, Paul said that the voice of "them that preach the gospel" has "gone into all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world."

    It's possible that when Christ said "all the world" and "all nations" He only meant the Roman Empire; just like when Augustus Caesar said that all the world should be taxed. The Apostles and disciples first traveled and preached to every nation in the Empire, and those outside the Empire would come later.
     
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  19. LittleLambofJesus

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    Greetings. So the Kingdom of YHWH is set up for a 1000yrs then it is set up again after the 1000yrs? Doesn't make Scriptural sense to me.
    Interesting Luke 21 used the same words "kingdom of the God" as in Mark 1. Never noticed that before. Thoughts?

    Mark 1:15 And saying, "Has been filled the Time, and has-neared/hggiken <1448> (5758) the Kingdom of the God. Be ye reforming!, and be ye believing! in the Good-Message.

    Luke 21:31 Thus also ye whenever ye may be seeing these-things becoming ye are knowing that nigh/egguV <1451> is the Kingdom of the God.

    Revelation 1:3 Blessed the one reading, and the ones hearing, the Words of the Prophecy, and keepings in it having been Written/gegrammena <1125> (5772), for the Time nigh/egguV <1451>.
     
  20. Bible2

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    Even though Matthew 24 was spoken before 70 AD, it
    isn't referring to 70 AD because Matthew 24:2
    (like Luke 19:44) wasn't fulfilled in 70 AD: the
    stones of the Wailing Wall still stand one upon
    another.

    Likewise, Matthew 24:15, which is referring back
    to Daniel 11:31, and which is connected with Daniel 11:36
    (which is 2 Thessalonians 2:4), wasn't fulfilled in 70 AD.

    And neither was Matthew 24:30-31 (which is
    2 Thessalonians 2:1 and 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17)
    fulfilled in 70 AD.

    Matthew 24 will be fulfilled when Revelation chapters
    6-19 are fulfilled. They've never been fulfilled.

    In Matthew 24, the "you" referred to by Jesus
    includes the believers who will actually experience
    the future tribulation events of Matthew 24, for to
    Jesus all believers of all times are one (John
    17:20-21, Ephesians 4:4-5).

    Matthew 24:14 refers to the gospel actually reaching
    all nations on the earth (Revelation 5:9-10, 7:9).

    Colossians 1:5-6 refers to the gospel reaching the
    Roman world in the first century (cf. Luke 2:1).

    Colossians 1:23 means that the gospel wasn't held
    back from any kind of person in the first century
    (cf. Colossians 1:27-28, Romans 1:14-16).

    Romans 10:18 is quoting Psalms 19:4, which is
    referring to the sky (and all seen within it) as
    incontrovertible evidence of a Creator God (Psalms
    19:1-4, cf. Romans 1:20).
     
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