Is the Holy Spirit an Author of Confusion?

[chestertonrules]

forgive me....did Christ have those traditions of man that your denomination has today? Did Christ deify His mother?

huge reasons why, no matter if it is called the universal church or not, that I do not belong RCC anymore...

Christ did not found the RCC...He started the church...big differance.

The Church does not deify Mary.

Jesus founded a Church and gave that Church authority.

Jesus told his apostles that the Holy Spirit would lead them into all truth.

What of those who reject the advice of the Church?

Matthew 18

17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

Are these the traditions you are referring to?

2 Thes 2
15So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

Please keep this in mind:

1 Timothy 3
15if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

 

[Annolennar]

Why is it that so many Christians who claim to be led by the Holy Spirit have sharp differences in their understanding of key doctrines of the faith?

Hubris.

 

[JacobHall86]

Will I spend eternity in Hell if I do not join the Roman Catholic Church?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Will I spend eternity in Hell if I do not join the Roman Catholic Church?

You mean like the atheists, Jews, Muslims and other non-Christian religions?

Dan 7:11 Perceiving I was in then from sound of the matters the immense ones that the horn declaring perceiving I was until that she was dispatched the animal/beast and she was destroyed frame of her and she was granted to glowing of fire.

Reve 19:20 and is arrested the wild-beast and with it the false-prophet, the one-doing the signs before it........................living were cast, the two, into the Lake/limnhn <3041> of the fire the one burning in the sulphur. [DANIEL 7:11, 12]

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

Will I spend eternity in Hell if I do not join the Roman Catholic Church?

According to Catholicism, there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.

It is good to also keep in mind Unam Sanctum, which states: "It is absolutely essential for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."





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[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by chestertonrules Why is it that so many Christians who claim to be led by the Holy Spirit have sharp differences in their understanding of key doctrines of the faith?

Greetings. I would think the Book of Revelation is the cause of much of it.

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus
Do the Catholics believe the Olivet Discourse and Revelation are the same event? Yes or no. Thanks

Originally Posted by SpiritualAntiseptic
I don't believe the Church has an official position on that.

 

[Uphill Battle]

According to Catholicism, there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.

It is good to also keep in mind Unam Sanctum, which states: "It is absolutely essential for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."





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which, of course, the've translated in to the "well, you're subject to the Roman Pontiff... even if you don't want to be."

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

which, of course, the've translated in to the "well, you're subject to the Roman Pontiff... even if you don't want to be."

Hi UB. How does your view of Revelation differ from that of the RCC? Seems like everyone here tends to avoid that book for some reason though I bring it up numerous times.

Luke 21:28 Beginning yet to-be-becoming these-things, up-bend!, and lift up! the heads of ye, thru-that is nearing the loosing/apo-lutrwsiV <629> of ye [Daniel 12/Reve 19,20]

Reve 16:17 and the seventh one pours out the bowl of him upon the air and came out a Voice, great, out of the Sanctuary from the Throne saying :it-has-become/gegonen <1096> (5754). [Revelation 21:6]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus
Do the Catholics believe the Olivet Discourse and Revelation are the same event? Yes or no. Thanks

Originally Posted by SpiritualAntiseptic
I don't believe the Church has an official position on that.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Since any discussion on the book of Revelation appears to belong on the Eschatology board, I put a poll up there and would like to have all those here please vote on it.
Then I believe we will all see how much the Holy Spirit has caused "confusion" within the Body of Christ, the Church. Thanks.

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=48321189#post48321189
Olivet Discourse and Revelation Same Event?

 

[sunlover1]

I thought this was a good answer, way at the beginning
of the thread!

Because life is not a PAT-THEORY. Life is not a Religion. Life is not a book. Life is not man. Life is God. And God is confusing.

Amen.
But getting to know HIm and His Ways is an awesome
process isnt it?

Sweeter than candy, purer than wine!

tulc( sunlover1!)

 

[chestertonrules]

Will I spend eternity in Hell if I do not join the Roman Catholic Church?

Here's what the catechism has to say about those in your situation:


818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."272
819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth"273 are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements."274 Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him,275 and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."276

 

[JacobHall86]

My situation? being a Protestant is not a disease. Yes or no, answer the question straight.

 

[chestertonrules]

My situation? being a Protestant is not a disease. Yes or no, answer the question straight.

My post answered the question. The answer is no.

Your situation, which may change, is that you are separated from full communion with the Church founded by Jesus.

 

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[chestertonrules]

My situation? being a Protestant is not a disease. Yes or no, answer the question straight.

The answer, which is quite clear in my previous post, is no.

Your situation, which could change, is that you are separated from full communion with the Church created by Jesus.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The answer, which is quite clear in my previous post, is no.

Your situation, which could change, is that you are separated from full communion with the Church created by Jesus.

But I do not view your Denomination as the one created by JESUS.

Matt 21:16 And say to Him "thou are hearing what these are saying"? The yet Jesus is saying to them "yea, not-ever did ye read that 'out of mouths of babes and of sucklings/qhlazontwn <2337> (5723) thou according-equip praise'" [Psalm 8:2]

Matt 24:19 "Woe yet to those in belly having and to those suckling/qhlazousaiV <2337> (5723) in those the days! 20 "Be ye praying yet that no may be becoming the flight of ye of winter neither a Sabbath.

 

[chestertonrules]

But I do not view your Denomination as the one created by JESUS.

That is why you are not in full communion with the Church.

Jesus only built one Church.

He gave the leaders of this Church the authority to forgive or not to forgive sins.

Is this significant to you?

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

But I do not view your Denomination as the one created by JESUS.

That is why you are not in full communion with the Church.

I think we are in full communion with the church - just not with your specific singular denomination (it's likely vise-versa). Apples and oranges.

Jesus only built one Church.

That's the Protestant position.

We just beleive that Christians are people, thus the assemly of Christians is people. The RCC and LDS both insist is the primarily a denominational, institutional entity - an inanimate, faithless IT - and IT happens to be ITself. We disagree on that, as you know.

He gave the leaders of this Church the authority to forgive or not to forgive sins.

Is this significant to you?

Sure, but of course, this has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the Catholic Church. As we all know, Jesus never promised the Catholic Church anything. Ever. Nor did any of the Apostles. Not once.




Thank you.


Pax


- Josiah





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[tulc]

The answer, which is quite clear in my previous post, is no.

Your situation, which could change, is that you are separated from full communion with the Church created by Jesus.

Really? Because I talk to Him all the time and He never mentioned it.
tulc(thinks that would have come up at some point)