Old Covenant defined - vs - NEW Covenant

[1stcenturylady]

Yes it does and we see a great example in 1 Cor 7:19 where circumcision "does not matter" but "keeping the Commandments of God" does. All major Christian denominations admit to this Bible detail as already shown.



I assume you mean "can we damage our bodies and can we eat rats with God no longer caring about such things?"..

Answer: "no" according to scripture.

The key biblical passage that refutes the "two gospel" doctrine of men is Gal 1:6-9 and Gal 3:8 "the Gospel was preached to Abraham" so then one Gospel in both OT and NT and the New Covenant is it.

And what is "the gospel" that was preached to Abraham?

 

[1stcenturylady]

Heb 8 says "New Covenant" -

A New Covenant
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second. 8 For finding fault with them, He says,

“Behold, days are coming, says the Lord,
When I will effect a new covenant
With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah;
9 Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers
On the day when I took them by the hand
To lead them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I did not care for them, says the Lord.
10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
After those days, says the Lord:
I will put My laws into their minds,
And I will write them on their hearts.
And I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.
11 “And they shall not teach everyone his fellow citizen,
And everyone his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
For all will know Me,
From the least to the greatest of them.
12 “For I will be merciful to their iniquities,
And I will remember their sins no more.”

13 When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

2 Cor 3
14 But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ.

There is no place in the NT where you find "do not take God's name in vain" -- and in the Word of God - such games mean nothing.

You told me once that "do not take God's name in vain" is the only commandment not repeated in the NT. So you must know where the other first four are listed. Where?

 

[ToBeLoved]

False.

1. The New Covenant is in the Old Testament. Jer 31:31-33 and everyone Christ spoke to in Matt 22 knew it.

2. Jesus said "ALL the LAW and the prophets" in Matt 22 - which includes Jeremiah ... and everyone in Matt 22 knew it.

3. "The LAW and the Prophets" is a reference to "known scripture" in Matt 22 -- and everyone in Matt 22 knew it.

4. "Love God with all your heart and soul" Deut 6:5 is SCRIPTURE known to everyone in Matt 22 and we all know it.

5. "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18 is SCRIPTURE known to everyone in Matt 22 and we all know it.

Christ was appealing to two of the Mosaic Laws - and telling the Bible scholars that were questioning him that on these two depended all of scripture - and they all knew it.

I don't know that, because God says because the Hebrews hearts were cold and far from Him is why He needed a New Covenant.

So, it seems to me that Christ had to re-tell people to love and what that love is all about in detail, because the people of the Old Covenant never got God's memo.

 

[klutedavid]

Did that happen in "real life" with a quote of someone other than "you" to claim it??

If so , would it be too much trouble to ask you to post it???

Hello Bob.

You also abolished nearly the entire law yourself.

You abolished sacrificial law, offering laws, civil laws, health laws, food laws.
You abolished temple law, priesthood law, all manner of moral law, e.t.c.

Unless of course you still conduct sacrifices, obey civil law, enforce the health laws.
Ensure that offerings are within the requirements of the law.

Do you follow the law or have you abolished the law?

 

[1stcenturylady]

Hello Bob.

You also abolished nearly the entire law yourself.

You abolished sacrificial law, offering laws, civil laws, health laws, food laws.
You abolished temple law, priesthood law, all manner of moral law, e.t.c.

Unless of course you still conduct sacrifices, obey civil law, enforce the health laws.
Ensure that offerings are within the requirements of the law.

Do you follow the law or have you abolished the law?

David, SDA's keep health laws and the Ten Commandments which are moral laws. I don't understand your post, unless you were being ironic (that he believes one thing, and uses scriptures that say the opposite, i.e #35). However, I haven't been following your conversation with Bob. Sometimes he posts scriptures that you and I interpret differently than he does. It all boils down to the purpose of the indwelling Holy Spirit which he doesn't understand.

 

[BobRyan]

Hello Hark.
...
You abolished sacrificial law, offering laws, civil laws, health laws, food laws.
You abolished temple law, priesthood law, all manner of moral law, e.t.c.

Nothing about abolishing the law, you must be kidding.

Did that happen in "real life" with a quote of someone other than "you" to claim it??

If so , would it be too much trouble to ask you to post it???

(And so sticking with the pattern of "quoting nothing" for your false accusation you then post this)

Hello Bob.

You also abolished nearly the entire law yourself.

You abolished sacrificial law, offering laws, civil laws, health laws, food laws.
You abolished temple law, priesthood law, all manner of moral law, e.t.c.

Just not in real life.... thus you quote "nothing but you" again.

Is this a form of creative writing for you??

 

[BobRyan]

You told me once that "do not take God's name in vain" is the only commandment not repeated in the NT

True ... and you told me that this does not matter to you because of course - it does not mean a thing to you ... and obviously it is not a legit reason for trashing any part of God's Word.

 

[1stcenturylady]

True ... and you told me that this does not matter to you because of course - it does not mean a thing to you ... and obviously it is not a legit reason for trashing any part of God's Word.

My question was sincere, and you answered with hatred. That's murder.

 

[klutedavid]

David, SDA's keep health laws and the Ten Commandments which are moral laws. I don't understand your post, unless you were being ironic (that he believes one thing, and uses scriptures that say the opposite, i.e #35). However, I haven't been following your conversation with Bob. Sometimes he posts scriptures that you and I interpret differently than he does. It all boils down to the purpose of the indwelling Holy Spirit which he doesn't understand.

Hello 1stcenturylady.

There are so many laws given in the law of Moses.

Two separate areas in the law are shown below.

Food laws - on what is clean and unclean, on cooking and storing food, e.t.c.

Health laws - on menstruation, seminal emissions, skin disease and mildew, e.t.c.

These health laws are different to the food laws.

Why would someone follow one of these laws above and shred the rest?

 

[klutedavid]

Did that happen in "real life" with a quote of someone other than "you" to claim it??

If so , would it be too much trouble to ask you to post it???

(And so sticking with the pattern of "quoting nothing" for your false accusation you then post this)



Just not in real life.... thus you quote "nothing but you" again.

Is this a form of creative writing for you??

Hello Bob.

So do you follow the law or not?

 

[BobRyan]

Hello Bob.

So do you follow the law or not?

Sounds like you have not read Romans 8:4-10 yet... Paul says it is only the "lost" the "do not submit to the LAW of God neither indeed CAN they"--

And I believe you may have already agreed that the saints should not be taking God's name in vain or dishonoring parents.

so I will stick with the Bible on this one.

 

[Doug Melven]

Sounds like you have not read Romans 8:4-10 yet... Paul says it is only the "lost" the "do not submit to the LAW of God neither indeed CAN they"--

And I believe you may have already agreed that the saints should not be taking God's name in vain or dishonoring parents.

so I will stick with the Bible on this one.

That passage in Romans is not comparing saved to lost, but comparing Spirit led believers to carnal believers.
There are many believers today who are focused on the things of the flesh. Not every Christian is living a totally victorious life.
There are believers today (that would be me and anybody reading this) who don't obey all 10 of the Commandments.
But God (My 2 favorite words in Scripture) has mercy on us (us would mean me and anybody reading this).

 

[BobRyan]

Hello Bob.

So do you follow the law or not?

Sounds like you have not read Romans 8:4-10 yet... Paul says it is only the "lost" the "do not submit to the LAW of God neither indeed CAN they"--

And I believe you may have already agreed that the saints should not be taking God's name in vain or dishonoring parents.

so I will stick with the Bible on this one.

That passage in Romans is not comparing saved to lost, but comparing Spirit led believers to carnal believers.

Same thing. And a bit self-conflicted to say it since the saved are the spirit filled that belong to Christ and the carnal are the lost -- those who are not Christ's at all according to Romans 8.


Rom 8
4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

The point remains.

 

[BobRyan]

The idea that the Gospel is that the saved person is hostile toward God, is not Christ's at all, is devoid of the Spirit... is in fact "another Gospel" entirely.

 

[BobRyan]

Hello 1stcenturylady.

There are so many laws given in the law of Moses.

And 1050 commands in the NT to go with the 640 in the OT

 

[Doug Melven]

The idea that the Gospel is that the saved person is hostile toward God, is not Christ's at all, is devoid of the Spirit... is in fact "another Gospel" entirely.

Were the people Paul called saints not Spirit-filled believers?
He addressed them as saints in 1 Corinthians 1:1
He called them carnal in 1 Corinthians 3:1.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Sounds like you have not read Romans 8:4-10 yet... Paul says it is only the "lost" the "do not submit to the LAW of God neither indeed CAN they"--

And I believe you may have already agreed that the saints should not be taking God's name in vain or dishonoring parents.

so I will stick with the Bible on this one.



Same thing. And a bit self-conflicted to say it since the saved are the spirit filled that belong to Christ and the carnal are the lost -- those who are not Christ's at all according to Romans 8.


Rom 8
4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

The point remains.

You teach LAW. I teach SPIRIT.

The letter of the law, kills. But the Spirit gives life.

What you don't understand is, walking in the Spirit does not produce lawlessness. Just the opposite. The reason why we are not UNDER the law, is because the Spirit replaces the law with righteousness. Where the law showed us our sin, the Spirit made us dead to sin. So where there is no sin, there is no need for the law. Get it?

 

[klutedavid]

And 1050 commands in the NT to go with the 640 in the OT

Hello Bob.

How do you understand the following verse.

1 Corinthians 14:37
If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord’s commandment.

 

[1stcenturylady]

And 1050 commands in the NT to go with the 640 in the OT

So you're preaching keeping all of those?

 

[HARK!]

I will put My laws in their minds,

and inscribe them on their hearts.

Laws do you say? What laws?