Oh, this is just great.

[Starscream]

Originally posted by seebs
Let's cure everything we can, and spread our research around (as we do), because fear of consequences isn't morality.

Excellent point, my friend.  Excellent.

 

[IslandBreeze]

Nope, it's not morality, but it doesn't hurt to have people afraid of consequences. I remember the late 80s/early 90s. Teen sex declined DRAMATICALLY with the AIDS scare....

 

[Starscream]

Originally posted by Cammie
Nope, it's not morality, but it doesn't hurt to have people afraid of consequences.

I think you have just given us a very profound insight regarding the birth of the idea of Hell...

 

[Stormy]

More people die of cancer every year than people with particular STD's. That should lay the groundwork for deciding which disease is most important.

Maybe I AM being a bit harsh. It just frustrates me that things like STDs take priority over preventable diseases and sicknesses.

Please show me where money is being diverted from Cancer research.

 

[alphatronics]

Originally posted by Cammie
And what does Africa have to do with anything? We're talking about America, where people know better.

Your ignorance borders on racism.

 

[wildernesse]

This thread is reminding me of something I heard in church a couple of weeks ago.

We all know about the story of the good samaritan. In it, Jesus says that there is a man walking from Jerusalem to Jericho and falls into the hands of robbers. Our pastor noted that not once in all of the parable does Jesus say anything about how the man should have known better than to travel alone or be vunerable to a threat. In fact, the entire parable is about outsiders responding to someone in need--regardless of how that need came about.

He also noted that the priest and levite who passed by might have been afraid of becoming unclean before God by touching a dead man or seeing him naked. They were so focused on keeping themselves righteous that they had no compassion for the needs of their fellow humans.

--tibac

 

[MizDoulos]

Note:&nbsp&nbspLet's not let this thread deteriorate any further. Step back, take a breather, and think twice before posting again. There have been statements made that border on breaking the rules. If the thread continues to disintegrate, it will be closed and/or warnings issued.

Thank you for your cooperation.

 

[Stormy]

Cammie: What you have been saying does not relate to the way I would think Jesus would want his followers to respond to human misery.

 

[Dewjunkie]

Originally posted by Cammie
Spend ONE weekend on a college campus, and you'll hear enough fake "rape" cases to change your mind.

Spend ONE NIGHT working a rape investigation and you'll see the utter devastation, fear, sickness and shame that the victim suffers through; not to mention the physical pain; and I bet you wouldn't blow rape off so lightly.

Excellent point, wildernesse (long time no debate). 

If a criminal is shot in the process of apprehension, we still render first aid to save his life.  That's tax-payer money spent on assisting a criminal who knew the consequences for committing a crime.  He knew what he was doing, so shouldn't we just let him bleed to death as the consequence?  No.  Regardless of how against his choice we are, his life is still valuable and worthy of being saved.  Who knows, it might be the turning point he needed to change his life and become an on-fire Christian.  The same could go for someone who contracts an STD.

And, to insinuate that Africans are ignorant to AIDS and the devastation it causes and are just having sex blindly without regard is a very, very dangerous insinuation.       

 

 

 

[seebs]

Originally posted by Cammie
Nope, it's not morality, but it doesn't hurt to have people afraid of consequences. I remember the late 80s/early 90s. Teen sex declined DRAMATICALLY with the AIDS scare....

It sure *DOES* hurt. People who avoid something out of feat of consequences *ARE NOT MAKING A MORAL JUDGEMENT*. They are not considering the *moral* qualities of the action; they are simply regarding it as a desirable thing which they cannot afford to do just yet.

It is only when people are unafraid that they can contemplate moral issues; fear dominates us. Isn't that the essense of our sinful, mortal, nature?

I don't see any *moral* difference between a teen who has sex, and a teen who avoids sex out of fear. I only see a difference when someone avoids sex out of careful consideration of moral issues.

 

[lunachick]

Cammie. By your way of thinking we should also do away with organ transplants and other medicines, as the body's failings can often be attributed to lifestyle and behaviours that have been detrimental to health. Alcohol, cigarettes, too much fat in the diet, too much sugar, too little exercise, or just plain unhealthy eating all are contributary factors and are therefore preventable. 

In fact, I think those people who do not eat 5 fresh fruits and vegetables a day, stick strictly to the food pyramid, drink plenty of clean water, avoid soda pops altogether and take at least an hours exercise per day should be denied healthcare or research funding. After all, I'm for prevention not cure!

 

[seebs]

Originally posted by Dewjunkie

If a criminal is shot in the process of apprehension, we still render first aid to save his life.  That's tax-payer money spent on assisting a criminal who knew the consequences for committing a crime.  He knew what he was doing, so shouldn't we just let him bleed to death as the consequence?  No.  Regardless of how against his choice we are, his life is still valuable and worthy of being saved.  Who knows, it might be the turning point he needed to change his life and become an on-fire Christian.  The same could go for someone who contracts an STD.

All of this is true. That said, show me a man who is suffering, and even if God outright tells me that easing his suffering will not make him a Christian, I'll still do it. Christ didn't say "I was naked (and Christian) and you clothed me". Even if you can prove to me that someone is going to Hell, it is still my Christian duty to do whatever I can to ease that person's pain.

 

[IslandBreeze]

I will not debate with people who personally attack and insult me.

 

[lunachick]

Originally posted by Cammie
As far as the rape issue, I believe MOST rape cases can be prevented. There are a few legitimate cases, where a woman has a gun to her head, yadda yadda, but I don't believe most women who say they have been raped. I've seen way too many women CHOOSE to engage in sex, only to turn around and say they were raped to believe 99% of rape stories.

I'm going to print this little piece out and take it to my father to read. He recently retired from the Police Force after 30 years service. I can't wait to hear what he says about people with your attitude.

*Edited to remove a blatant personal attack on cammie.  Violation of rule #1.

 

[lunachick]

*Edited for the same reason as above.

 

[Dewjunkie]

(Edited to read Because) the productive debate is over, I will close the thread.  Christian Forums rule #1 is "no flaming", specifically personal attacks. Due to the violations of this rule in this thread, it's outta here.

DJ