Commonly-used birth control that kills after conception

[RogerRoger]

.

 

[comana]

Would you mind providing a source for how hysterectomies can "also cause the death of a new human after conception"?

This seems objectively false, considering that the procedure removes the ovaries, and thus the eggs that would contribute to conception in the first place.

More importantly the procedure removes the uterus and without that pregnancy is 100% impossible.

 

[Hank77]

Where do you get the idea he's "trying to shame" people?

Why would he even have written what he did in the statement below?
No gynecologist in their right mind would ever perform surgery on a woman's reproductive system without running pregnancy tests. Therefore, if a woman was pregnant she would know before the surgery.
And then to say that they ARE BAD for a woman's health is incorrect. There are times when these procedures are needed in order to keep a woman alive and healthy, not to mention having a condition that could harm an unborn child such as uncontrollable epileptic seizures, HIV, etc.

Both female sterilization and hysterectomies (through a different mechanism than that of the birth control products listed in the first paragraph) and Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) can also cause the death of a new human after conception and are also bad for a woman's health.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Indeed, but most normal people will believe that contraception is critically important.

Not everyone follows the teachings of the Catholic Church on family planning and Birth Control. The evidence tends to show that their teaching is the most healthy to follow.

 

[joshua 1 9]

so what if the majority of people in heaven are the unborn? What difference does that make?

This means there will be a lot of children in Heaven. Matthew 18:3 "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."

 

[joshua 1 9]

No gynecologist in their right mind would ever preform surgery on a women reproductive system without running pregnancy tests.

They spay cats all the time without checking. With cats the choice is to spay or euthanize in order to control the population because they reproduce so fast. If people do not spay then the conditions rapidly become unhealthy and they have to go in and euthanize them.

 

[Hank77]

They spay cats all the time without checking. With cats the choice is to spay or euthanize in order to control the population because they reproduce so fast. If people do not spay then the conditions rapidly become unhealthy and they have to go in and euthanize them.

Are you trying to be funny?

 

[comana]

*

 

[joshua 1 9]

Are you trying to be funny?

I am talking about wild or the feral cat population.

 

[comana]

They spay cats all the time without checking. With cats the choice is to spay or euthanize in order to control the population because they reproduce so fast. If people do not spay then the conditions rapidly become unhealthy and they have to go in and euthanize them.

Cats are not human women. What is your point?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Cats are not human women. What is your point?

The point is that birth control has to be weighed against the consequences. We need to look at the warning and make an educated decision. We can not stick our head in the sand and ignore the problems associated with a drug or a medical procedure.

 

[Hank77]

The point is that birth control has to be weighed against the consequences. We need to look at the warning and make an educated decision. We can not stick our head in the sand and ignore the problems associated with a drug or a medical procedure.

And you think my comment was suggesting that anyone do that? I assure you I was not.

 

[comana]

The point is that birth control has to be weighed against the consequences. We need to look at the warning and make an educated decision. We can not stick our head in the sand and ignore the problems associated with a drug or a medical procedure.

That goes for all prescriptions and medical procedures. I don't think anyone is arguing against that. However your equating a pregnant cat being spayed to a woman undergoing a hysterectomy was suggesting that the gynecologist would continue with the surgery despite discovering the woman was pregnant. That is absurd.

 

[Fantine]

You will therefore be glad to know, Michael77, that 45% of people practicing birth control do so through sterilization, which is not only permanent but carries none of those disadvantages. The people who choose this method usually have children and feel their families are complete.

In terms of your other concerns, are any of those methods more dangerous to a woman than pregnancy and delivery? The answer is "no."

Although I don't like to give credence to the president's complaints about fake news, I have found that the dubious sources that promote such alarmist and misleading "facts" are indeed fake news.

If you are in a relationship with a partner, feel free by all means to share your concerns with her. These decisions are best made by a couple who love one another and respect one another's points of view. If these couples are religious, I am sure they will thoughtfully consider the moral objections of their faith tenets---if any.

 

[Dave-W]

You might find this thread interesting: Life at conception + unborn child salvation = birthed ppl minority Heaven

There is nothing in scripture to say that the gentile "unbirthed" have salvation. A case could be made for unbirthed Jewish children under the Mosaic covenant; but not gentiles then or anyone now under the New Covenant.

 

[-V-]

There is nothing in scripture to say that the gentile "unbirthed" have salvation. A case could be made for unbirthed Jewish children under the Mosaic covenant; but not gentiles then or anyone now under the New Covenant.

If we're talking about automatic salvation, then yes. Even with the Jewish unborn in the old covenant, I'm not sure they would be automatically saved.

But automatic damnation just doesn't make sense. So, not being automatic either way means that salvation for the unborn must be possible somehow, just not a guarantee.

 

[Dave-W]

Salvation is by covenant. Infants born (or unborn) under the Mosaic covenant (which was a salvic covenant) were in good standing until they did something to disqualify themselves - "cut off" was the terminology in the Law. That is why David could say of his infant son with Bathsheba (conceived in adultery) who died shortly after birth "I will go to him but he cannot come to me." 2 Sam 12.23b

 

[Hank77]

Salvation is by covenant. Infants born (or unborn) under the Mosaic covenant (which was a salvic covenant) were in good standing until they did something to disqualify themselves - "cut off" was the terminology in the Law. That is why David could say of his infant son with Bathsheba (conceived in adultery) who died shortly after birth "I will go to him but he cannot come to me." 2 Sam 12.23b

Paul makes it clear who a true Jew is. Being circumcised in the flesh does not make one a Jew.
Even the Jews believe that the gentiles are under the covenant that God made with Noah. And going back even further we could say that all men are under the covenant that God made with Adam and Eve. So until a youth is old enough to know to turn away from sin and fix on good God does not condemn them.

 

[Dave-W]

Even the Jews believe that the gentiles are under the covenant that God made with Noah. And going back even further we could say that all men are under the covenant that God made with Adam and Eve.

Those covenants were not salvic.

 

[Hank77]

Those covenants were not salvic.

Please explain what you mean by that?