Oh, this is just great.

[chickenman]

actually, research into AIDs and other viruses (including herpes) have actually proved beneficial to the cancer researchers - recombinant versions of these viruses can be used to deliver therapuetic genes to tumour cells to kill them. Its one of the most promising techniques in the search for a cure for cancer. (it could also be used to treat cystic fibrosis and other genetic diseases)

 

[IslandBreeze]

Herpes isn't what causes cervical cancer. HPV causes 99% of all cervical cancer, and since it is an STD, it can be prevented 100%. There is no need to spend money on curing it.

 

[Dewjunkie]

While I believe that abstinence is the only fool-proof way to prevent STD's, I don't believe that preventing research for a cure is appropriate. What if a woman is raped and contracts an STD? Should she not have access to a cure if one is devised? If a man is promiscuous and contracts an STD, then becomes a Christian and is forgiven for his past sins by God, should we as humans force him to live with the consequences forever?

Jesus would have forgiven someone for their mistake, and he would have healed them had they asked. If we are to be Christ-like, then we should allow the same.

 

[Loved One]

I think it's great.  This is exactly the kind of thing I want my tax dollars going to.

 

[IslandBreeze]

Loved One--I can't tell if that is sarcastic or not.

That said, even if someone becomes a Christian, there are still consequences for sin. Please don't think that I am cold and heartless. That certainly isn't the case. It just burns me up that peopel go about their lives and there are NO consequences for anybody anymore. Yes, God forgives, and he's a very loving God. But even God dealt out punishment for sin. By choosing to be promiscuous--and people know the risks anymore--I feel that people are choosing to catch whatever they may. JMO. And I won't get into the rape thing.

 

[Loved One]

Originally posted by Cammie
Loved One--I can't tell if that is sarcastic or not.

It wasn't.

That said, even if someone becomes a Christian, there are still consequences for sin. Please don't think that I am cold and heartless. That certainly isn't the case.

The acceptance of the death of hundreds of thousands of women each year simply because they don't conform to your idea of morality doesn't strike me as being very kind or compassionate.

 

It just burns me up that peopel go about their lives and there are NO consequences for anybody anymore. Yes, God forgives, and he's a very loving God. But even God dealt out punishment for sin. By choosing to be promiscuous--and people know the risks anymore--I feel that people are choosing to catch whatever they may. JMO.

Do you feel death is an acceptable consequence just for having sex? 

And I won't get into the rape thing.

Just out of curiosity, why not?  Women are raped every day.  This vaccine could give them one less thing to worry about.

 

[Stormy]

It's not about being vengeful.

I think you are.

Why is it, in America, innocent people constantly suffer (financially, emotionally, etc.) for other people's "stupid mistakes?"

What American is innocent? I thought only Jesus was innocent?

I would MUCH rather see the money spent on AIDS, and HPV and other STDs spent on cancer, or Parkinson's disease.

Do you really think that is the way the grants are given? If one is denied then more money will instead be given to the other? NOT.

We KNOW how STDs are spread. They can be prevented.

The entire United State's population does not have to follow a strict Christian lifestyle or else suffer the punishment. I would not wish to see a person suffer if it could be helped. I should think that a Christian would desire to bring comfort to a sinner along with the message of Christ.

Cancer and other diseases can't.

Many cancers and diseases are caused by our lifestyles. So I guess that we should close our eyes to these folks also.


It makes me both sad and mad when a Christian spouts a message other than that of LOVE!

 

[John MacNeil]

Spending money on researching anything that has a biological connection to, or potential future impact on, human physiology is money well spent. The more we know about life, the better it will be for us. We never know in advance where all knowledge stream in biologic research will lead us, and we don't know which knowledge gained through research will be most necessary to have in the future.

There are plenty of "pork" programs in which the government frivolously wastes money, including the military, which is perhaps the biggest "pork" program of them all. Any of them would be a good subject to analyze when considering fiscal responsibility. The health sciences are where more money should be spent, not less.

 

[Annabel Lee]

Originally posted by Cammie
They have a new vaccine to ward off HPV (Human Papilloma Virus, the STD that causes genital warts).  Yea. Let's give people even more excuses to engage in promiscuous behavior.

Stop spending my tax money trying to ward of STDs. Start encouraging abstinence, and spend that money on cancer, or Alzheimer's research!

Welcome to the real world, Cammie. People will and do engage in premarital sex.
Spouses will and do have extra-marital affairs and bring these diseases home to their spouses. (Even the "good" Christians)
People are human and they do have sex. Even the 'ungodly' sex you are opposed to. Ignoring it will not make it go away.
How you can be so against a vaccine that will ease suffering is beyond me.

And I won't get into the rape thing.

Why?

 

[Starscream]

Originally posted by Cammie
And I won't get into the rape thing.

I don't see why not, rape is a very real and very common act of violence.  I wouldn't be surprised if every grown person here knew a rape victim personally.

Don't these victims deserve a chance at being cured of any disease their attacker gives them?

 

[seebs]

Originally posted by Cammie
Herpes isn't what causes cervical cancer. HPV causes 99% of all cervical cancer, and since it is an STD, it can be prevented 100%. There is no need to spend money on curing it.

Injuries dealt by weapons can be prevented 100%, but that doesn't mean I'm not glad that hospitals spend a fair amont of money on resources uniquely suited to treating them.

What ever happened to forgiveness? All of us have sinned, and none of us are any better than the people out there getting all these STD's. We all suck. My belief that people should not have casual sex does not lead me to believe that people who do have casual sex ought to suffer for it, or that I shouldn't do whatever I can to ease what suffering they do face.

Saying we shouldn't spend research money on curing these things is like saying I shouldn't take my friends out for dinner and commiserate when their relationships don't work - even if I think those relationships were ill-advised.

Basically, if you look at a person who unwisely had premarital sex and got a disease, you may see it as an okay thing, but I see it as a potential barrier to that person's future potential happiness in a loving, God-blessed, relationship. I don't see any basis for denying them a treatment, or not spending effort on being able to treat them.

The wages of sin are death already; we don't need to sit around trying to make it worse, or refusing to ease the temporal suffering it causes. All that does is make us look like we think we're all way better than those people.

And Starscream's right, I know a person who has been raped on several occasions, because she grew up in a bad neighborhood, and you can believe she's had to have some stuff treated... I say, thank God we had the ability to treat that stuff, because the last thing she needs is a permanent reminder of something that awful.

 

[IslandBreeze]

I'll just say this. You all apparently think I'm hateful and mean. You're entitled to your opinions. I just think that this vaccine will lead to more promiscuity. One less disease to worry about, right? I just would like to see more accountability for people's actions. That's all. Finding cures for nasty diseases that people get from irresponsible behavior isn't high on my list of priorities.

As far as the rape issue, I believe MOST rape cases can be prevented. There are a few legitimate cases, where a woman has a gun to her head, yadda yadda, but I don't believe most women who say they have been raped. I've seen way too many women CHOOSE to engage in sex, only to turn around and say they were raped to believe 99% of rape stories.

 

[alphatronics]

Originally posted by Cammie
They have a new vaccine to ward off HPV (Human Papilloma Virus, the STD that causes genital warts).  Yea. Let's give people even more excuses to engage in promiscuous behavior.

Stop spending my tax money trying to ward of STDs. Start encouraging abstinence, and spend that money on cancer, or Alzheimer's research!

First, a majority of medical research money comes from private grants. Second, I have a cousin who is dying of HIV. Are you saying that she should be abandoned?

Disgusting.

 

[Starscream]

Originally posted by Cammie
Finding cures for nasty diseases that people get from irresponsible behavior isn't high on my list of priorities.

Having read the Gospels it seems like curing others despite their behavior was indeed very high on Jesus' list of priorities.  And if I recall correctly, wasn't severly frowned upon for such actions?  And what do we think of those that challenged him today?

Whether you're a Chrisitan or not, I think there is an important message there - and I think you missed it.

As far as the rape issue, I believe MOST rape cases can be prevented. There are a few legitimate cases, where a woman has a gun to her head, yadda yadda, but I don't believe most women who say they have been raped. I've seen way too many women CHOOSE to engage in sex, only to turn around and say they were raped to believe 99% of rape stories.

I find it frightening that you so easily shrug off the very real issue of rape that far too many women have had to experience.

Sadly, many men are perfectly capable of successfully raping a woman through brute strength alone - no gun or knife is required. 

I sincerely hope you never have to discover this for yourself the hard way.

 

[alphatronics]

Originally posted by Cammie
Abstinence would prevent a lot more pain and suffering than any vaccine.

Hiding in a plastic bubble would prevent a lot more pain and suffering than a cure for smallpox.

 

[smurfy2day]

Wow. I am reading all of this with interest.

While I do not believe anyone should have to die, I do believe that research for something such as cancer is much more appropriate than studying a disease that is spread, instead of one your body just produces out of nowhere.

More people die of cancer every year than people with particular STD's. That should lay the groundwork for deciding which disease is most important.

On a personal note, I personally don't want condoms handed out with my tax money in public schools. BUT, I also don't want to pay for un-wed teenage mothers, so I guess I'd rather pay for a piece of rubber than for another unexpected (and a lot of times unwanted) baby or for an abortion.
(This is just for an example of money importance... nothing more, nothing less.)

 

[IslandBreeze]

You know what's VERY real? There are a lot of guys out there getting accused and blamed--THEN CONVICTED of something they NEVER did...even when a girl says "yes", it doesn't matter anymore. She just has to INSINUIATE that she was "raped," and the guy is a criminal sex offender, and has to spend time in jail. That's what is VERY real, and goes on on college campuses every single day. THAT is disgusting.

Starscream--you're right. Jesus cured everybody. Maybe I AM being a bit harsh. It just frustrates me that things like STDs take priority over preventable diseases and sicknesses.

I NEVER said that people with AIDS should be abandoned. Good grief. My point IS just this: these diseases--AIDS and HPV and Herpes and all these other STDs can totally be prevented. There ARE consequences for sleeping around. We've known that (Christian or not) for a LONG time. Why are people STILL surprised when they get an STD or they get pregnant?

 

[seebs]

I have never seen a "fake" rape case, although I've heard of a few.

Anyway, I don't think this "encourages" promiscuity. There's no one who's thinking "I'd like to sleep around in violation of God's will, but maybe I shouldn't because I might get warts." There are people thinking "having warts is awful".

I do think there's something wrong with your idea that more than a small fraction of rape cases are people who consented and then changed their minds. You really need to work on that attitude; you're accusing victims of lying, too. Some day, get a doctor to show you pictures of the bloody, bruised, women you've just accused of "faking" rape.

Also, remember Christ's observation that a man who looks at a woman with lust in his eyes has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Making people fear promiscuous sex *DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING*. If they want it, but are afraid of diseases, *they're still sinning*. It's only if we can convince people of the wrongness of the action itself that progress is made.

This is a common mistake; we try to suppress the *evidence* of sinful attitudes, forgetting that thoughts alone are enough to **** us.

 

[seebs]

Originally posted by Cammie
You know what's VERY real? There are a lot of guys out there getting accused and blamed--THEN CONVICTED of something they NEVER did...even when a girl says "yes", it doesn't matter anymore. She just has to INSINUIATE that she was "raped," and the guy is a criminal sex offender, and has to spend time in jail. That's what is VERY real, and goes on on college campuses every single day. THAT is disgusting.

Sure, but it's not the majority of criminal rape cases; it's not even a few percent, unless you have some source of information no one else does.

I NEVER said that people with AIDS should be abandoned. Good grief. My point IS just this: these diseases--AIDS and HPV and Herpes and all these other STDs can totally be prevented. There ARE consequences for sleeping around. We've known that (Christian or not) for a LONG time. Why are people STILL surprised when they get an STD or they get pregnant?

What does that have to do with anything? You know what group is having the most AIDS trouble right now? Young girls in Africa, who are getting raped by men who believe that having unprotected sex with a virgin will cure AIDS.

Let's cure everything we can, and spread our research around (as we do), because fear of consequences isn't morality.

 

[IslandBreeze]

Spend ONE weekend on a college campus, and you'll hear enough fake "rape" cases to change your mind. I will NOT work on my attitude; I've seen the stuff firsthand. Like I said, there ARE legitimate rape cases, but I don't buy most.

And what does Africa have to do with anything? We're talking about America, where people know better. And didn't I say that maybe I WAS being a bit harsh? You're still jumping down my throat...