OC Jerusalem and Lake of Fire

[Supernaut]

The Lake of Fire is not a 'literal' place..

I quite agree! Symbolic it is.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The Lake of Fire is not a 'literal' place..

I quite agree! Symbolic it is.

Thank you. So you are saying these 2 entities are not being cast into a literal "lake of fire" at the 2nd coming and before the 1000yr period?
Your posts might make for a good thread

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

Young) Revelation 19:20 and the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet who did the signs before him, in which he led astray those who did receive the mark of the beast, and those who did bow before his image; living they were cast--the two--to the lake of the fire, that is burning with brimstone;

 

[ANM29]

Everything in scripture and particularly the book of Revelation is not 'literal'. There is a lot of colorful symbolism, and I believe a lot of it we still will never know. With all of the breakdowns and so-called studies of Revelation, it is not intended for us to figure it all out.

What I do know to be a fact is that, the Lake of Fire is not 'literal'. There is no literal big boiling pan of fire that God will throw billions or millions of souls in for eternity. It is all pagan mythology from the Catholic Church, another huge deception, probably one of the biggest ever.

With that said, God describes himself as 'Fire"..we also have the 'Baptism of Fire"
( Something you NEVER hear discussed because many have no clue what it is)..Hell and Death will be thrown into the lake of Fire..So, this place can not be literal on that note either..Not to mention, our weapons of warfare are "spiritual', we are ALL Spirits, including God. We have 'fiery' trials, a lot of things are defined as 'fire'...

We have to first understand what is fire and significance of it..It either destroys something totally, or it purifies and refines..Those are the only two things God uses fire in scripture for, and the the only two things fire NATURALLY does...

Is God a literal fire? Yet, he says he is a 'consuming fire"..Spiritually, yes..He is a Spiritual Fire that goes about refining his people, purifying, and even have been known to destroy some things with fire. ( of course). .and doing whatever he desires, he is God. He is also described as many other things..That is why even his PRESENCE is WARM.... Like fire...

This is Spiritual symbolism, not 'literal'. Even 'death' is not anything 'tangible' that can be burned up forever. Death will be destroyed along with hadeas into this Spiritual abyss which is God himself...It will be spiritually cast upon FIRE ( GOD) the all consuming fire and destroyed. Nothing left but everything summed up in Christ...The SOLID ROCK--

Anyway..

End of Sermon...Knock and the door will be opened, Seek and you will find..

 

[ANM29]

To answer the question, after much fasting, prayer and truly seeking God for a long time..and I truly believe he has given me the answer to this question..

God himself is this "Lake" of Fire....

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

To answer the question, after much fasting, prayer and truly seeking God for a long time..and I truly believe he has given me the answer to this question..

God himself is this "Lake" of Fire....

Interesting!!!
"Lake" and "Fire" are actually only mentioned in the Gospel of Luke outside of Revelation [coincidentally, the Covenantle parable of the richman/Lazarus is only mentioned in Luke also]
Brimstone is mentioned 7 times, which is also an interesting divine # in the Bible.
Facinating I say!

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Lazarus
Richman burning in torment

Young) Revelation 19:20 and the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet who did the signs before him, in which he led astray those who did receive the mark of the beast, and those who did bow before his image; living they were cast--the two--to the lake of the fire, that is burning with brimstone/qeiw <2303>

Strong's Number G2303 matches the Greek &#952;&#949;&#8150;&#959;&#957; (theion), which occurs 7 times in 7 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

 

[Mr Dave]

Sorry LLOJ, had to be honest and give a non-response, I haven't the faintest idea
I'll lurk in the shadows for a while and if I come down on either side I'll let you know.
On the side, though, i've just skimmed through all the posts, and (alongside the eschatology forum) I always thought Rev was talking about Rome/the Roman Empire, but lots of people think it's on about Jerusalem. Or is that something else altogether.

 

[ANM29]

Interesting!!!
"Lake" and "Fire" are actually only mentioned in the Gospel of Luke outside of Revelation [coincidentally, the Covenantle parable of the richman/Lazarus is only mentioned in Luke also]
Brimstone is mentioned 7 times, which is also an interesting divine # in the Bible.
Facinating I say!

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Lazarus
Richman burning in torment

Young) Revelation 19:20 and the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet who did the signs before him, in which he led astray those who did receive the mark of the beast, and those who did bow before his image; living they were cast--the two--to the lake of the fire, that is burning with brimstone/qeiw <2303>

Strong's Number G2303 matches the Greek &#952;&#949;&#8150;&#959;&#957; (theion), which occurs 7 times in 7 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

God is the Lake of Fire..God is Fire...An all consuming Fire..

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Sorry LLOJ, had to be honest and give a non-response, I haven't the faintest idea
I'll lurk in the shadows for a while and if I come down on either side I'll let you know.
On the side, though, i've just skimmed through all the posts, and (alongside the eschatology forum) I always thought Rev was talking about Rome/the Roman Empire, but lots of people think it's on about Jerusalem. Or is that something else altogether.

According to John 11:48, the OC Judean rulers were worried about the Romans. I believe Reve could be showing God using the Roman army against Jerusalem.
Why would Reve 6:6 mention "denari"

John 11:48 If we let Him alone thus, all will believe on Him, and shall be coming the Romans and shall be taking away of us, and the place and the Nation

Young] Reve 6:6 and I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, `A measure of wheat for a denary, and three measures of barley for a denary,' and `The oil and the wine thou mayest not injure.'

denarius = "containing ten"
1) A Roman silver coin in NT time. It took its name from it being equal to ten "asses", a number after 217 B.C. increased to sixteen (about 3.898 grams or .1375 oz.).
It was the principal silver coin of the Roman empire. From the parable of the labourers in the vineyard, it would seem that a denarius was then the ordinary pay for a day's wages. (Mt. 20:2-13)

 

[ANM29]

Thank you. So you are saying these 2 entities are not being cast into a literal "lake of fire" at the 2nd coming and before the 1000yr period?
Your posts might make for a good thread

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

Young) Revelation 19:20 and the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet who did the signs before him, in which he led astray those who did receive the mark of the beast, and those who did bow before his image; living they were cast--the two--to the lake of the fire, that is burning with brimstone;

No, they are not being cast into a 'literal' Lake at all. How this exactly works, I do not know..BUT, I do know God is this Fire they will be cast upon...How? That is a mystery of God...It definitely is Spiritual symbolism..

What I do know, is that it is not a literal place.

 

[ANM29]

Also note, the Lake of Fire is described as the "Second Death". Remember, death itself is going to be destroyed as well. There will be no more death...So, what exactly is a "Second Death"?

What does this mean to you?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Also note, the Lake of Fire is described as the "Second Death". Remember, death itself is going to be destroyed as well. There will be no more death...So, what exactly is a "Second Death"?

What does this mean to you?

Interesting question!
I didn't find a thread on that topic on the GT board, but I noticed there is one on the Eschatology "guru" board.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7003060-10/#post44506320
Q's about resurrection and second death.

 

[razeontherock]

If the second death isn't eternal death after death is destroyed then ... I don't know what to make of that but it'd be a good thing. I wouldn't go getting my hopes up though.

BTW, what's absurb? Has something to do w/ a SUV I'm guessing ...

 

[Supernaut]

If the second death isn't eternal death after death is destroyed then ... I don't know what to make of that but it'd be a good thing. I wouldn't go getting my hopes up though.

BTW, what's absurb? Has something to do w/ a SUV I'm guessing ...

It's a new style shock that they use on crossover suv's

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

If the second death isn't eternal death after death is destroyed then ... I don't know what to make of that but it'd be a good thing. I wouldn't go getting my hopes up though.

BTW, what's absurb? Has something to do w/ a SUV I'm guessing ...

How do you think the "apostate" Jews of today would view it

 

[ivebeenshown]

I don't think so because Mystery Babylon would have to include everyone anti-christ, not just the OC gangstaz (aka the Jews not accepting Christ.)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I don't think so because Mystery Babylon would have to include everyone anti-christ, not just the OC gangstaz (aka the Jews not accepting Christ.)

Especially Israel!
Since 12 of their tribes are mentioned in Revelation

Reve 7:4 And I heard the number of those sealed, (one hundred and forty four thousands were sealed out of all the tribes of the sons of Israel):......

Reve 5:5 And one out of the elders is saying to me "no be lamenting! behold! the Lion conquers/overcame,the one out of the Tribe of Judah the root of David to open-up the scroll and *to-loose the seven seals of it".
[Genesis 49:8-10]

 

[JamesAH]

No, they are not being cast into a 'literal' Lake at all. How this exactly works, I do not know..BUT, I do know God is this Fire they will be cast upon...How? That is a mystery of God...It definitely is Spiritual symbolism..

What I do know, is that it is not a literal place.

Ok so if it's not a literal place how do you explain the passage that says:

They will be tormented day and night forever and ever"

Sounds like a literal place to me.

Also your assumption leads everyone to believe that because there isn't an eternal punishment that anyone can sin and get away with murder even those who are Atheists.

So you're telling me that those who don't believe in Christ will be saved in the end? I don't buy that. That sounds like a fairytale in itself.

 

[Mr Dave]

Here we go again

 

[ivebeenshown]

Ok so if it's not a literal place how do you explain the passage that says:

They will be tormented day and night forever and ever"

Sounds like a literal place to me.

Also your assumption leads everyone to believe that because there isn't an eternal punishment that anyone can sin and get away with murder even those who are Atheists.

So you're telling me that those who don't believe in Christ will be saved in the end? I don't buy that. That sounds like a fairytale in itself.

I think she has the same view as me: that if life in Christ is eternally expanding consciousness, then death in hell is eternal nothingness -- true death. Both of these things are equally unfathomable in regards to the full degree of what they embody.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Here we go again

Once again on the GT road....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS6DvLSWEA4