Noah's Ark

[OldWiseGuy]

The ark didn't 'hog' or 'sag'. It floated too low in the water for that. Your picture shows wind-driven waves. There was no wind during the flood, thus no waves. God finally brought the wind to help the waters recede from the ark's final parking place.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yeah, that's what the Hindenburg designers were thinking.

I doubt it.

What gave you that idea?

 

[AV1611VET]

Everyone knows the builders of the HIndenburg used SECRET ALIEN TECHNOLOGY. Sheesh!

This is why you guys don't understand anything.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You guys aren't even trying to understand, are you?

Wrong, we understand all too well.

If you can't spout nonsense where you abuse the Bible you would have to admit that you are wrong.

 

[Foxfyre]

Here's a groovy video I found that talks about Noah's Ark, which happens to be my minor forté.

So I though I'd post it and then pick it apart over time; but not necessarily in chronological order.

The first thing I would like to point out is that Noah's Ark is not a boat, it is an ark.

A containment vessel.

Calling it a boat or a ship shows a disrespect for its true identity.

More later.

I have no problem with those who take the Noah's Ark story literally because I do believe in a God capable of doing the improbable and the impossible with identical ease.

I personally take the as an allegorical or metaphorical explanation of how God continues to preserve a remnant of his creation despite the judgment/catastrophe that is brought upon it.

Every ancient civilization has a flood story so it is logical to believe that massive floods happened. And to a person who had never traveled far from his birth place and who had no sense of large scale geology, geography, or science and observed such a flood stretching as far as he could see, he could believe it covered the whole world. And would tell the story that would be passed down through the generations and eventually become part of the legend/lore and perceived history of a people. Such stories are grounded in a literal truth but through some embellishment and creativity in the telling and retelling become representative of universal truth.

The entire history of the people of the Bible was a story of creation, sin, judgment, redemption repeated over and over. Noah was one such story. I think now humankind may be in the sin stage, possibly the beginning of the judgment phase, but the Bible assures us that there is redemption for all who love and obey God.

Whether a literal event or allegorical myth, the Noah and the Ark story is a beautiful illustration of faith and confidence in the Lord.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Enough time to go by for these cliffs and rivers to form naturally.

You do realize that the meander can only be evidence against your flood, don't you?

 

[AV1611VET]

Wrong, we understand all too well.

And I'm Genghis Khan.

If you understand it so well, how's come you didn't figure it out yourselves?

 

[EpiscipalMe]

It's a real doosey, ain't it?

Probably some tree that either went extinct, or God didn't recreate it after the Flood.Looks English to me.
Um ... it's a tree, for crying out loud.

"Gopher" looks English? I didn't realize the Old Testament was written in English. Silly me - I figured that since every word in Genesis was originally in Hebrew, that this would be a Hebrew word too.

And I think we can all agree it came from a tree - it is wood after all - but what type of tree? The OT doesn't really say. Could be an extinct tree, could be something else.

 

[AV1611VET]

And would tell the story that would be passed down through the generations and eventually become part of the legend/lore and perceived history of a people.

Shem lived right up to the time of Jacob and, as an eyewitness who was actually on the Ark, would keep the record straight for centuries.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have no problem with those who take the Noah's Ark story literally because I do believe in a God capable of doing the improbable and the impossible with identical ease.

I personally take the as an allegorical or metaphorical explanation of how God continues to preserve a remnant of his creation despite the judgment/catastrophe that is brought upon it.

Every ancient civilization has a flood story so it is logical to believe that massive floods happened. And to a person who had never traveled far from his birth place and who had no sense of large scale geology, geography, or science and observed such a flood stretching as far as he could see, he could believe it covered the whole world. And would tell the story that would be passed down through the generations and eventually become part of the legend/lore and perceived history of a people. Such stories are grounded in a literal truth but through some embellishment and creativity in the telling and retelling become representative of universal truth.

Not every ancient civilization, only most. Japan for example does not have a flood myth. But yes, since most civilizations are based upon navigable waterways, and most of them flood at times, most have flood myths.

The entire history of the people of the Bible was a story of creation, sin, judgment, redemption repeated over and over. Noah was one such story. I think now humankind may be in the sin stage, possibly the beginning of the judgment phase, but the Bible assures us that there is redemption for all who love and obey God.

Whether a literal event or allegorical myth, the Noah and the Ark story is a beautiful illustration of faith and confidence in the Lord.

As an allegorical piece it is still of value. As a literal piece it harms a belief in God.

 

[AV1611VET]

You do realize that the meander can only be evidence against your flood, don't you?

No, but I'm sure you [think you] do.

 

[Subduction Zone]

"Gopher" looks English? I didn't realize the Old Testament was written in English. Silly me - I figured that since every word in Genesis was originally in Hebrew, that this would be a Hebrew word too.

And I think we can all agree it came from a tree - it is wood after all - but what type of tree? The OT doesn't really say. Could be an extinct tree, could be something else.

Perhaps the Ark was built in Minnesota. It is the Gopher State after all.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, but I'm sure you [think you] do.

I know so. You have mere belief. I have knowledge. You should study up on how meanders are formed.

 

[AV1611VET]

"Gopher" looks English?

Hang on ... I'll ask the pre-schoolers next door.

I didn't realize the Old Testament was written in English.

Chapters 1 - 10 were written in Jacobean English.

Genesis 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. [Jacobean English]

Silly me - I figured that since every word in Genesis was originally in Hebrew, that this would be a Hebrew word too.

You said it ... I didn't.

And I think we can all agree it came from a tree - it is wood after all - but what type of tree?

The type that has roots at the bottom, leaves at the top, and gopher wood in the middle?

The OT doesn't really say.

That is correct ... so it doesn't matter, does it?

Could be an extinct tree, could be something else.

That is correct.

I assume it is now extinct.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

Hang on ... I'll ask the pre-schoolers next door.Chapters 1 - 10 were written in Jacobean English.

Genesis 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. [Jacobean English]
You said it ... I didn't.

The type that has roots at the bottom, leaves at the top, and gopher wood in the middle?
That is correct ... so it doesn't matter, does it?
That is correct.

I assume it is now extinct.

Where did you get that Genesis 1-10 was in Jacobean English and that this was the common language at the time?

Now you really are just making stuff up. Is this is truly how you think, I don't know how the rest of us can take you seriously.

 

[AV1611VET]

Perhaps the Ark was built in Minnesota.

New Jersey.

It is the Gopher State after all.

Their gopher is an animal.

 

[GondwanaLand]

Enough time to go by for these cliffs and rivers to form naturally.

But that is not evidence of the Flood. Just that you believe that things happened at superspeed (impossible in the case of the cliffs, as the creation of chalk requires long slow deposition in relatively calm waters).

 

[GondwanaLand]

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[AV1611VET]

You have mere belief. I have knowledge.

That's the difference between the Ark and the Wyoming.

 

[Foxfyre]

Not every ancient civilization, only most. Japan for example does not have a flood myth. But yes, since most civilizations are based upon navigable waterways, and most of them flood at times, most have flood myths.



As an allegorical piece it is still of value. As a literal piece it harms a belief in God.

I don't agree with that. I know too many devout Christians through whom the Spirit of God shines through and who serve him in magnificent ways but who believe the story was a literal event. Allegorical myth works for me but I am cannot despise or criticize the faith of another that I believe to be real and that sustains and strengthens them.