Noah's Ark

[VirOptimus]

The leaking occurred even in calm water conditions. And the flexing problem gets worse the longer your vessel (and the ark is usually estimated as at least a hundred feet longer than the Wyoming). The limitations have everything to do with the structure and the material limitations of the materials making it up.

So are you now asserting that Noah and his sons pumped 24/7, with bronze-age pumps they somehow manufactured (but somehow it didn't get written down in the flood myth)? Are you now asserting that this global flood with all the deluge of water from the skies and "fountains of the deep" erupting, and the open water of a worldwide ocean where there is nothing, no landmass, to hinder wind from making enormous waves, was calm and peaceful water without any roughness?

Its just common sense, no need for inquiry.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Well, I've seen plenty of stress-maps of things. I'm not an engineer but even I know that a long piece of wood on an undulating surface of a body of water with a period < the length of the piece of wood will probably have stresses along it.

The ark was a massive structure, barely floating, in relatively calm water. Any stresses would be absorbed by the whole structure thus mitigating any danger of even leaking.

 

[Obliquinaut]

Stop trying to invoke miracle as a way of digging yourself out of whatever hole you find yourself in.

Actually he should rely solely on Miracles. That would make the argument less interesting for us, but certainly no longer in the realm of science. (He's already had to handwave away topics he introduced like laminar flow and sed/strat topics he didn't even fully realize scientists already have information on).

 

[GondwanaLand]

For the second time: the Bible does not allow for it.

Does not allow for what?

The Bible allows for 4100 years of history: from 4004 BC - 96AD.

The Bible allows for whatever history its reader reads into it.

And if the bible does not allow for observable reality, all the more reason to reject it.

White cliffs and meandering rivers supposedly took thousands of years to form according to the philosophy of evolution, did they not?

The only way they could have appeared on the landscape so fast, is by God doing it.

Did I not show in the past ... from the Bible ... how God ordered the flood waters to a specific siphoning point, ordering them to follow a serpentine path, and thus etching into the earth's surface a picture of the Serpent as a reminder as to who was responsible for the events that led up to the Flood?

So, you were unable to show how those are evidence of the Flood. And no, a global flood is not required to make serpentine rivers.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You DO realize that for a LONG time science DID look for the Flood, right? It wasn't found and ultimately the field of Geology threw out all pre-conceptions and developed into the field today that sustains us in just about everything we use on a daily basis.

The weren't looking for the flood as described in the bible but for a flood of their own imagination.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nah, I am pretty sure that the professionals who built the Wyoming knew better.

I seriously doubt it.

They weren't as stupid as those who built the Hindenberg, but they did probably think: If God can do it, we can too.

Exodus 7:11 Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.

 

[Obliquinaut]

The ark was a massive structure, barely floating, in relatively calm water. Any stresses would be absorbed by the whole structure thus mitigating any danger of even leaking.

Why would a global flood be so placid? Just curious. We currently have a planet that is about 75% covered in ocean and it is hardly universally placid and calm. Was it a miracle ocean?

 

[Obliquinaut]

The weren't looking for the flood as described in the bible but for a flood of their own imagination.

Ummm, considering that many in the early field were Bible-believing Christians I'm not sure how you arrive at that conclusion. Oh, wait, I know: NO TRUE SCOTSMAN!

(So now we've eliminated SCIENCE, HISTORY and LOGIC. Shall we proceed?)

 

[Subduction Zone]

I seriously doubt it.

They weren't as stupid as those who built the Hindenberg, but they did probably think: If God can do it, we can too.

Exodus 7:11 Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.

You really need to stop abusing the Bible in such a manner. There was no magic in Egypt. The makers of the Hindenberg did not base their work on myths either.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No math is needed when a wooden ship, smaller than the Ark is supposed to have been, was been built not much more than a hundred years ago, and the result is a matter of historical record.

The historical record of the ark is that it survived the flood.

 

[Obliquinaut]

They weren't as stupid as those who built the Hindenberg, but they did probably think: If God can do it, we can too.

Yeah, that's what the Hindenburg designers were thinking.

Just like the Tower of Babel. They were trying to get up to Heaven to be like unto God. But they were a threat. Unlike all the other dirigibles that DIDN'T explode in flames and the jets today that fly higher than the Hindenburg ever could dream of.

(Theology is confusing sometimes!)

 

[AV1611VET]

Right there:

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[Obliquinaut]

You really need to stop abusing the Bible in such a manner. There was no magic in Egypt. The makers of the Hindenberg did not base their work on myths either.

Everyone knows the builders of the HIndenburg used SECRET ALIEN TECHNOLOGY. Sheesh!

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Ummm, considering that many in the early field were Bible-believing Christians I'm not sure how you arrive at that conclusion. Oh, wait, I know: NO TRUE SCOTSMAN!

(So now we've eliminated SCIENCE, HISTORY and LOGIC. Shall we proceed?)

Paraphrasing Mark Twain, "You could go over the research of those investigators with a divining rod and never find the real flood."

 

[Obliquinaut]

The historical record of the ark is that it survived the flood.

Huh. That's interesting. So you are willing to trust the words of a couple different authors telling a story two different ways but you have to bend over backwards to explain why we can't rely on the actual physical evidence. Hmmm.

 

[Obliquinaut]

Paraphrasing Mark Twain, "You could go over the research of those investigators with a divining rod and never find the real flood."

And I'm just positive you know all about the history of Geology. I mean apart from the fact that so far you've shown almost no knowledge of actual geology....

 

[AV1611VET]

Stop trying to invoke miracle as a way of digging yourself out of whatever hole you find yourself in.

???

Do you want to understand this, or don't you?

 

[Subduction Zone]

The weren't looking for the flood as described in the bible but for a flood of their own imagination.

Sorry, but momentum, gravity, etc. would still exist. Like it or not we know that the flood would have left a mark.

And you have yet to explain why we do not see the biological effects of the flood. It seems that you are even more afraid of that since you don't even try to wave your hands for that problem.

 

[AV1611VET]

Does not allow for what?

Enough time to go by for these cliffs and rivers to form naturally.

 

[AV1611VET]

You really need to stop abusing the Bible in such a manner. There was no magic in Egypt. The makers of the Hindenberg did not base their work on myths either.

You guys aren't even trying to understand, are you?