Noah's Ark

[GondwanaLand]

The point of being built for 'profit' means that strength is compromised.

Um, no, there is no profit in a ship sinking with tons of your product on board.

The ark suffered no such limitations. You are conflating the limitations of wooden ships with a structure that bears no resemblance to a ship.

No, I am noting the limitations of wood as a building material for long vessels. At 450 feet+ in length, the very nature of wood and its physical properties would have the planks springing and leaking like a sieve. No matter what resemblance it has or does not have to a ship.

 

[GondwanaLand]

Why would it leak like a sieve?

Because of the physical properties and limitations of wood. I thought we already went over this.

 

[AV1611VET]

I dont belive in magic.

Perhaps the professionals who built the Wyoming thought: if the Ark could survive, the Wyoming could as well?

And because of that, 14 men got a reality check.

 

[AV1611VET]

"Leak like a sieve" isn't very technical. Don't you have some 'math' to support this contention?

Maybe he thinks professionals built the Ark?

 

[GondwanaLand]

I have no idea what you're seeing.

Q: When was the Flood?
A: 2348 BC

Q: Evidence?
A: White cliffs and meandering rivers.

Q: Pyramids existed during the Flood.
A: Not according to the Bible.

Now ... take it from there.

I'm unsure how this is hard for you to grasp. You presented white cliffs and meandering rivers as evidence of the flood. I asked you to show how they are evidence of the flood. You have yet to do so, as you have meandered off into non sequiturs about pyramids.

Are you able to tell us how the white cliffs of dover and meandering rivers are evidence of the flood? Or are we just supposed to take your word for it, that it is evidence and you know it is evidence but you just can't say how it is evidence?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Perhaps the professionals who built the Wyoming thought: if the Ark could survive, the Wyoming could as well?

And because of that, 14 men got a reality check.

Nah, I am pretty sure that the professionals who built the Wyoming knew better.

 

[GondwanaLand]

Where?

Right there:

Evidence of flood two.

Please show how either of these are evidence of the Flood.

 

[Obliquinaut]

I think the flood occurred long before what is usually believed. I have no date.

If it followed even just a FEW of the laws of physics we'd actually know the date pretty well.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Because of the physical properties and limitations of wood. I thought we already went over this.

The 'limitations' you refer to have more to do with water conditions that the structure plying it. Even the Wyoming was fine if the seas weren't too rough. Recall that it was in service for over a decade before it sank.

 

[Obliquinaut]

This is common sense, no math needed. I shouldn't have to build a clock in order to tell someone what time it is.

....ummm, common sense doesn't cut it when it comes to engineering and science. All you need do is look at the earliest attempts humans made to fly and the "Common Sense" of the time that it was impossible.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

If it followed even just a FEW of the laws of physics we'd actually know the date pretty well.

I believe that science will eventually discover the flood in the geologic record. The question is will they own up to it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No such admission.

Then you should not use that phrase.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm unsure how this is hard for you to grasp. You presented white cliffs and meandering rivers as evidence of the flood. I asked you to show how they are evidence of the flood. You have yet to do so, as you have meandered off into non sequiturs about pyramids.

For the second time: the Bible does not allow for it.

The Bible allows for 4100 years of history: from 4004 BC - 96AD.

White cliffs and meandering rivers supposedly took thousands of years to form according to the philosophy of evolution, did they not?

The only way they could have appeared on the landscape so fast, is by God doing it.

Did I not show in the past ... from the Bible ... how God ordered the flood waters to a specific siphoning point, ordering them to follow a serpentine path, and thus etching into the earth's surface a picture of the Serpent as a reminder as to who was responsible for the events that led up to the Flood?

 

[Obliquinaut]

I would have thought that you would understand the physical principles I outlined. Of course I could be wrong.

Well, I've seen plenty of stress-maps of things. I'm not an engineer but even I know that a long piece of wood on an undulating surface of a body of water with a period < the length of the piece of wood will probably have stresses along it.

 

[lesliedellow]

"Leak like a sieve" isn't very technical. Don't you have some 'math' to support this contention?

No math is needed when a wooden ship, smaller than the Ark is supposed to have been, was been built not much more than a hundred years ago, and the result is a matter of historical record.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I believe that science will eventually discover the flood in the geologic record. The question is will they own up to it.

That is a strange belief. Since the flood would have been blatantly obvious the question is how could they have missed it if it ever happened.

 

[Obliquinaut]

Then examine the principles I outlined and show me where I'm wrong.

 

[GondwanaLand]

The 'limitations' you refer to have more to do with water conditions that the structure plying it. Even the Wyoming was fine if the seas weren't too rough. Recall that it was in service for over a decade before it sank.

The leaking occurred even in calm water conditions. And the flexing problem gets worse the longer your vessel (and the ark is usually estimated as at least a hundred feet longer than the Wyoming). The limitations have everything to do with the structure and the material limitations of the materials making it up.

So are you now asserting that Noah and his sons pumped 24/7, with bronze-age pumps they somehow manufactured (but somehow it didn't get written down in the flood myth)? Are you now asserting that this global flood with all the deluge of water from the skies and "fountains of the deep" erupting, and the open water of a worldwide ocean where there is nothing, no landmass, to hinder wind from making enormous waves, was calm and peaceful water without any roughness?

 

[lesliedellow]

I can't remember if I asked you this or not: but do you think Jesus Christ was on the Ark, like He was in the furnace with Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego?

Stop trying to invoke miracle as a way of digging yourself out of whatever hole you find yourself in.

 

[Obliquinaut]

I believe that science will eventually discover the flood in the geologic record. The question is will they own up to it.

You DO realize that for a LONG time science DID look for the Flood, right? It wasn't found and ultimately the field of Geology threw out all pre-conceptions and developed into the field today that sustains us in just about everything we use on a daily basis.