Noah's Ark

[AV1611VET]

Where did you get that Genesis 1-10 was in Jacobean English and that this was the common language at the time?

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[HitchSlap]

Stuff like this is why you don't understand how we think.

It's easier (and more fun) to ridicule than understand, isn't it?

Oh, I understand alright. I used to be one of you guys.

That's how I know the bible is myopic.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

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Since you are a scriptural literalist, where is you scriptural evidence for this?

And why the KJB?

This has to be one of the strangest things I have read on this forum.

 

[AV1611VET]

But that is not evidence of the Flood. Just that you believe that things happened at superspeed ...

Genesis 8:3 And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.
4 ¶ And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.
5 And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen.
6 ¶ And it came to pass at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made:
7 And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth.
8 Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground;
9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.
10 And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark;
11 And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.
12 And he stayed yet other seven days; and sent forth the dove; which returned not again unto him any more.
13 ¶ And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.
14 And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried.

I wouldn't exactly call this "super speed".

 

[Foxfyre]

Shem lived right up to the time of Jacob and, as an eyewitness who was actually on the Ark, would keep the record straight for centuries.

If one is a literalist, that certainly works. And I don't close the door on the possibility that this is the right version and I have it wrong.

 

[AV1611VET]

This has to be one of the strangest things I have read on this forum.

You want to hear something really strange!?

I hesitate to say it on the Internet, but hopefully just a handful of people will see it.

Besides, we're adults, aren't we?

Please don't think I checked out of the nuthouse to say this ... but here goes:

Spoiler: Please read responsibly and consider the source!

Jesus walked on water.

 

[Foxfyre]

Not every ancient civilization, only most. Japan for example does not have a flood myth. But yes, since most civilizations are based upon navigable waterways, and most of them flood at times, most have flood myths.

As an allegorical piece it is still of value. As a literal piece it harms a belief in God.

Yes, I should have qualified my comments by limiting them to the ancient civilizations of the near/middle east. However I believe the earliest history we have of the Japanese people would be quite a bit post Noah.

 

[GondwanaLand]

Genesis 8:3 And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.
4 ¶ And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.
5 And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen.
6 ¶ And it came to pass at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made:
7 And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth.
8 Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground;
9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.
10 And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark;
11 And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.
12 And he stayed yet other seven days; and sent forth the dove; which returned not again unto him any more.
13 ¶ And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.
14 And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried.

I wouldn't exactly call this "super speed".

Then you're not very knowledgeable about floodwaters, let alone rock formations.

 

[lesliedellow]

Since you are a scriptural literalist, where is you scriptural evidence for this?

And why the KJB?

This has to be one of the strangest things I have read on this forum.

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Where does this idea even come from?

"Adam and Eve spoke 17th century English... In my [right to have an] opinion, I propose the following scenario:

There's a copy of the KJB in Heaven."

I don't think I have heard even a KJVO come out with that one before - which is really saying something.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And I'm Genghis Khan.

If you understand it so well, how's come you didn't figure it out yourselves?

We all now that you think that you are Genghis Kahn.

And I have figured it out for myself. The problem is that you won't allow yourself to understand.

You should not start your post with an open admission that you are wrong.

 

[Subduction Zone]

New Jersey.Their gopher is an animal.

Aah, so now you are saying that the Ark was not built out of Gopher wood, got it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then you're not very knowledgeable about floodwaters, let alone rock formations.

Neither was Noah.

It never rained prior to the Flood.

God did it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, I know.

You abandoned all this ...

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

... for this:

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise [Homo sapiens], they became fools [atheists],

Sorry, but since your Bible failed you can't use the Bible to attack the beliefs of others.

Try again.

 

[GondwanaLand]

It never rained prior to the Flood.

That assertion only makes things worse for your case.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Neither was Noah.

It never rained prior to the Flood.

God did it.

But then you are stating that the flood occurred long long before man came along:

Raindrops In Rock: Clues To A Perplexing Paradox

How are you going to have a "Noah's Ark" when you don't have a "Noah"?

 

[AV1611VET]

That assertion only makes things worse for your case.

If you expect to debate Christians without hearing things that floor you, I can only suggest you need to get out more.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't agree with that. I know too many devout Christians through whom the Spirit of God shines through and who serve him in magnificent ways but who believe the story was a literal event. Allegorical myth works for me but I am cannot despise or criticize the faith of another that I believe to be real and that sustains and strengthens them.

His "faith" may be real. That is no indication that the flood actually happened. In fact the evidence against it it so strong that one has to claim a lying God to try to defend it.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

You want to hear something really strange!?

I hesitate to say it on the Internet, but hopefully just a handful of people will see it.

Besides, we're adults, aren't we?

Please don't think I checked out of the nuthouse to say this ... but here goes:

Spoiler: Please read responsibly and consider the source!

Jesus walked on water.

Your little "spoiler" is supported by scripture. I asked where the support was for Adam, Eve, Noah, and families speaking Jacobian English and this being the original language of Genesis 1-10.

 

[AV1611VET]

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Keep talkin'.

 

[Cearbhall]

It never rained prior to the Flood.

God did it.

I swear you just make stuff up...