Does Matthew 24 describe the rapture?

[SabbathBlessings]

Well he says Sabbaths.

He said sabbath(s) plural and since there are more than one Sabbath in Scripture he defined which sabbath(s) he was referring to that was related to food offerings, drink offerings, feasts days, new moon feasts which none of those are in the Ten Commandments so its erroneous to lump the Sabbath commandment in there. If you look at verse 14 that no one ever quotes because it shows the context Paul is talking about- something handwritten, ordinances, contrary and against which none of these describe the weekly Sabbath , because Paul was quoting what was written outside the Ten Commandments, set as a witness against handwritten by Moses the context Deut 31:24-26 . The Bible will define itself if we allow it to. The problem, most what the Bible to fit their lifestyle/traditions instead of allowing the Bible to be the guide to our lives. Jesus told us it is to be the guide to our lives Mat 4:4 Psa 119:105 because going outside of it, there is no light Isa 8:20

Paul doesn't delineate out any specific Sabbaths and then say 'but of course keep the 7th day Sabbath, don't you dare flick a lightswitch on a Saturday!"

Now you sound like a Pharisee who was making the Sabbath legalistic that Jesus was constantly trying to correct

I think the most important thing is.. the Sabbath was created for Man, not Man for the Sabbath.

Yes, and Jesus in His own Words tells us when is the Sabbath and how to keep the Sabbath, not it was made for man to defile

Being legalistic about the Sabbath actually makes it not a blessing and not restful.

Agreed, the Sabbath is about communion with God for worship Isa 66:23, church Lev 23:3 Luke 4:16 Acts 14:42 Acts 13:44 Acts so God can bless Isa 56:2 and sanctify us Eze 20:12 because man can't sanctify themselves Isa 66:17. If one believes spending time with God on the day God blessed and sanctified for holy use from Creation is being legalistic, than they certainly have a misunderstanding of the character of God.

The main thing is.. you don't do hard labor 7 days a week, or work for profit 7 days a week. If you have weekends off, and use Saturday to unwind and recuperate from the week of work, maybe do recreational activity with your family, I think that counts.

I can't find this in my Bible.

The 4th commandment is not just the instruction for the Sabbath it is for all days. We are commanded to keep the Sabbath day holy and the Bible is full of examples of how to do that. Unwinding with family is fine, but its not what its about, its about fostering a relationship with God on the day He set aside. God is particular, He cared about one tree in the Garden, He cares the Sabbath and how we are keeping as shown all throughout the Bible. Hopefully you will consider one day.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

This was it exactly and yet people have turned it into what day should we worship/go to church -Saturday or Sunday. And as you stated from the bible- the Sabbath was made for man, not the other way around. It was about rest period.

I prefer to go to my Bible for all understanding on how man should live.

The 4th commandment is not just a commandment for the Sabbath it is for all days.

God said to work 6 days Exo 20:9 so why would one exalt a work day over God's holy day, the holy day of the Lord Isa 58:13 when we were commanded to work, and keep the day God said to keep holy as a common day Exo 20:8,10. He warned about this Eze 22:26 God only blessed and sanctified one day - man can't sanctify themselves nor can they sanctify a day, only God can and He relates both of those with the seventh day Sabbath Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11 Eze 20:12 thus saith the Lord.

The Sabbath is a holy convocation, thus saith the Lord Lev 23:3 which is what people do when they go to church
Why Jesus kept the Sabbath in the same manner Luke 4:16
Why the apostles kept every Sabbath in the same manner decades after the death of Christ Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4
Why the Sabbath continues as a holy convocation from one Sabbath to another for worship in the New Heaven and New Earth Isa 66:23

If we are so opposed to this now, following how God told us to keep the Sabbath, following in the example of Jesus and the apostles would the God of love really force one in heaven to keep something they spent a lifetime fighting against? I don't think so, its why His judgment is one of love. Not everyone will be happy in heaven and He is not going to change His will for us, we have to conform to Him.

And today we know where to find that spiritual rest/sabbatimos. And that's 24/7, not just one day of the week.

The rest we are told to enter daily, is rest from sin. Sin is breaking God's law 1 John 3:4 James 2:11-12 which of course includes the Sabbath, written by the finger of God unedited Rev 11:18-19 Psa 89:34

I wrote about this previously I will post it here to hopefully help

Christ said:

Mat 11:28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am [a]gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

Many believe and teach Christ's rest some how relieves our moral obligation to obey the Sabbath commandment, but is this what Jesus is teaching?

Jesus said this and still kept the Sabbath going to church reading God's word Luke 4:16 as the apostles did following in His footsteps keeping every Sabbath in the same manner decades after the Cross Acts 15:21 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 as the Sabbath is a holy convocation Lev 23:3 and we see that continuing on in the New Heaven and New Earth Isa 66:22-23

So what rest is Christ referring to?

Psa 38:3 There is no soundness in my flesh because of thine anger; neither is there any rest in my bones because of my sin.4 For mine iniquities are gone over mine head: as an heavy burden they are too heavy for me.

The rest Jesus is giving us when we come to Him is rest from our sins. Jesus came to save us from our sins Mat 1:21 we are not saved in our sins Heb 10:26-30

Sin is:
1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
James 2:11-12 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. quoting and contrasting directly from the Ten Commandments breaking one we break them all
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”
Rom 14:23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.


We also see this play out in the last days

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

Compared to the antidote found in the next verse

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

If we understand Christ rest, it will help us understand Hebrews 4 much better as it is speaking of two rests, not one.

We are invited to enter into Christ rest, just like the Israelites, Heb 4:1 but many didn't enter due to disobedience (sin) even through the same gospel was preached Heb 4:6

Why the Holy Spirit is calling us "TODAY" to come our of our rebellion (sin) and enter His rest quoting directly from Psa 95

Heb 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
In the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me,
And saw My works forty years.
10 Therefore I was angry with that generation,
And said, ‘They always go astray in their heart,
And they have not known My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

Why there is another day spoken of, which is TODAY God is calling us from our sins and come unto Him and He will give us rest from the burdens of sin but we need to enter through faith Heb 4:2

What did the Israelites disobey during their trial of the wilderness that led them to not enter into Christ rest

Eze 22:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Why the next verse says there remains a Sabbath-rest for the people of God Heb 4:9 and the Sabbath rest is according to the commandment Luke 23:56 because breaking God's law is sin 1 John 3:4 James 2:11-12 and unrest.

The next verse clearly shows these two rests

Heb 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also (in addition) ceased from his works as God did from His.

God ceased from His works on the seventh day, Heb 4:4 Gen 2:1-3 just like God commanded us to Exo 20:8-11 as we were made in His image and likeness so to enter His rest one also ceases from work on the seventh day Sabbath. Exo 20:10

Heb 4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience

We don't want to follow the same mistakes of the Israelites who sinned and never entered their rest in Canaan, which is a type of heaven. The same applies to us to enter in Heaven Rev 22:14

12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.

In Christ rest no one is in rebellion or breaking God's law, why there is just peace
Isa 48:18
Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

Jesus is coming soon and we need to come out of our rebellion to Him and obey Him and His commandments, His version, God’s own personal Testimony Exo 31:18 written personally by God, His law and will Psa 40:8, It’s why we see the ark of the covenant, which holds God’s personal Testimony, the Ten Commandments written and spoken by the God of the Universe revealed at the last Trumpet before Jesus comes in all His Glory Rev 11:19 as it is the standard of what God will judge all man 2 Cor 5:10 James 2:10-12 Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:19-30 Rev 11:18-19 Rev 22:14-15 and removing anything God covers under His mercy seat which below sits God’s Testimony His Ten Commandments, laying it aside as to say its not for me, I do not believe that's going to work out so well as Jesus taught plainly Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13

So lets be willing to forsake our sins Pro 28:13 and come to Jesus, He will give us rest.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You can show that if you want, but I know that Gentiles have never been commanded to keep the Sabbath. Some of the early Jewish believers who had been Pharisees tried to command the Gentiles to be circumcised and keep all of the law of Moses, which was only commanded of the Israelites and not the Gentiles. And the law of Moses includes the Ten Commandments. But Peter set them straight. You should learn from Peter.

Acts 15:5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.” 6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”Peter explained that there was no reason to try to put the burden of keeping all of the commandments of the law of Moses on the Gentiles.

Yes, Paul had to correct the teaching the Jews, that all they needed was to be circumcised to be saved, basically teaching they didn't need Jesus, they could save themselves, this is what he was correcting.

While the law of Moses includes the Ten Commandments, because God's commandments is for all people Rev 14:12 Paul made a distinction between circumcision from the law of Moses and the commandments of God and said this:

1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.
The Sabbath is a commandment of God thus saith the Lord, why we see record of them keeping every Sabbath in this same chapter Acts 15:21 because it has nothing to do with circumcision or the law of Moses as it is a direct commandment from the God of the Universe.

He understood that the church is not under the law, but under grace instead.

Paul taught clearly that grace is not a license to break God's law. He actually said how can those in Christ live in sin any longer? Why would a Christian want to continue sinning, which is breaking God's law 1 John 3:4 James 2:11-12 because of what it did to Jesus on the Cross. Its the devil who wants us to believe grace means we can sin and break God's law, because if there was no law, we would not need grace, and if we do not need grace then we do not need Jesus to save us, and if we do not need Jesus to save us, than we are all lost. So I see why the devil is constantly attacking God's law in various forms and why he has the whole world deceived, which is the majority.

Read Galatians 3 and you will see that Paul taught that it was foolish for Gentiles to put themselves under the law because it's a curse to do that. No one can keep the whole law.

You are falling into the trap of plucking verses here and there out of context by Paul. Do you really think Paul is referring to any of the Ten Commandments in Galatians. The Sabbath is not even mentioned once in Galatians. If reading in context the law he is referring to is circumcision Gal 2:3 the same issue compelling the Greeks to be circumcised in order to hear the gospel. People quote these verses but but they are not reading the stories, it is basically using the Bible as a weapon against itself. God said if you love Me, keep My commandments right in the Ten Commandments Exo 20:6 is the God of the Universe really bewitching the world?

If you break even one of the 613 commandments of the law then you're guilty of breaking all of them (James 2:10)

So you basically exalted an unbiblical number over a Biblical number that that God Himself personally wrote and personally spoke. Can you find 613 in the Scriptures anywhere?

Lets again bring in the context in James because if you keep reading, James clearly tells us the law he is referring to breaking one we break them all of what He said.

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
What whole law is James referring to

11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

The He who said is God Exo 20:1

What whole law do we find these commandments that James only quoted and contrasted as an example.

Only in the Ten Commandments, written by the finger of God.

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Why no more was added to the Ten Commandments, because it stands by Itself the personal Testimony of the God of the Universe Exo 31:18

Deut 5:22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Why its called the whole law

2 Cor 33:8 and I will not again remove the foot of Israel from the land which I have appointed for your fathers—only if they are careful to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.”

We have the whole law the Ten Commandments written by the finger of God AND the other laws placed outside God's ark of the covenant as a witness against written by the hand of Moses. Deut 31:24-26

After the God of the Universe personally wrote and spoke HIS law- meant for ALL people Rev 14:12 showing how we love God and how we love our neighbor. He added no more, because it is a stand alone unit what all man will be Judged by why Jesus taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments and showed us the intent behind them using two as an example Mat 5:19-30 why it is God's perfect law converting the soul Psa 19:7

. As Christians, we are free from that burden. We are free to choose what to eat or drink and whether to observe a New Moon festival or a Sabbath day which were a shadow of the things to come, with the reality being found in Christ (Colossians 2:16-17).

So you believe that the Sabbath was contrary and against us and the God of love who made man in His image on the sixth day before the very first Sabbath was made Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3 that God made the Sabbath to be against man from Creation and since man was made in the image of God He made the Sabbath, the holy day of the Lord to be against Himself, the complete opposite of what He said, it was meant to bless man Isa 56:2 a sign of His sanctification Eze 20:12 a sign between man and God Eze 20:20 to spend time with God and worship Him Isa 58:13 Isa 66:22-23 but these are things that are against man and needs to be abolished. Its time to unlearn the lies man has been handed down for centuries as this is an attack on the character of God. I showed you clearly what Col 2:16 is referring to which the context starts at least in verse 14, but actually prior. Sad, we can go away from God's Truth, but we were warned 2 Tim 4:3 God is calling people out of their false teachings Rev 18:4 before its too late Rev 22:11 but if we do not hear His voice calling us out of rebellion Heb 3:7-8, it won't change His Truth. Whoever we obey is who we serve Rom 6:16 and if we are not obeying God the way He said, we are serving another. Keep in mind Paul's writings came with a serious warning and an issue of salvation 2 Peter 3:15-16, the last thing we want to hear when Jesus returns is depart from Me, ye who practice lawlessness and the Greek word here means sin. Sin is the transgression of God's law, His version, not what was changed God warned us about Dan 7:25

 

[Jamdoc]

This was it exactly and yet people have turned it into what day should we worship/go to church -Saturday or Sunday. And as you stated from the bible- the Sabbath was made for man, not the other way around. It was about rest period.

And today we know where to find that spiritual rest/sabbatimos. And that's 24/7, not just one day of the week.

There's a lot of times that some forms of "work" can also be "rest" if they're not done to make you or anyone else money but are done to be enjoyed, even if there is physical exertion involved, it is "restful" where even if you're just sitting in a chair talking on the phone, if you're doing it talking to clients for money for your job it's less "restful" even if it involved less physical exertion.

If you work in a cubicle office job Monday through Friday, then Saturday you go on a 20 mile bike ride around a nice scenic lake that you enjoy.. even though you are sweating and your muscles might be sore from the hill climb in part of that ride, you feel more rested than the stress of work.. did you sin Saturday by sweating?

What if you went fly fishing on Saturday? For some people fishing is their job, but for you you're just doing it to relax out in nature. Did you violate the Sabbath?

In both of these cases in which I believe the spirit of the law is to rest and do something enjoyable to refresh yourself not just physically but spiritually

 

[SabbathBlessings]

God gives us 6 days to do all our secular activities but only asks for one day to focus on Him Exo 20:8-11, is God being legalistic to want to spend time with His Creation that He made in His image that started right from Creation Exo 20:11

Isa 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

While God does invite us to enter His spiritual rest from sin, it doesn't mean that we can violate one of His commandments in doing so, that does not bring rest, peace or righteousness Isa 48:18 why He calls on us TODAY to hear His voice and come out of our rebellion to Him Heb 3:7-8 because those who enter His rest also cease from their works as God did Heb 4:10 on the seventh day Heb 4:4 Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3

 

[Jamdoc]

God gives us 6 days to do all our secular activities but only asks for one day to focus on Him Exo 20:8-11, is God being legalistic to want to spend time with His Creation that He made in His image that started right from Creation Exo 20:11

Isa 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

While God does invite us to enter His spiritual rest from sin, it doesn't mean that we can violate one of His commandments in doing so, that does not bring rest, peace or righteousness Isa 48:18 why He calls on us TODAY to hear His voice and come out of our rebellion to Him Heb 3:7-8 because those who enter His rest also cease from their works as God did Heb 4:10 on the seventh day Heb 4:4 Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3

if you don't enjoy singing?

having to dress up in a suit, go to a specific place away from home, and do an activity that you don't enjoy for someone else's behalf....

Sounds like work.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

if you don't enjoy singing?

Its not about us, its about giving back to the Creator of the Universe and honoring, worshipping and Remembering everything He did for us on the day He asked us to. If we are worshipping God for our own needs, wants, desires we are doing it for the wrong reasons. Isa 58:13

having to dress up in a suit, go to a specific place away from home, and do an activity that you don't enjoy for someone else's behalf....

Sounds like work.

Only if one thinks spending time with God the way God said is work, God said its a blessing Lev 23:3 Isa 56:2 so He can sanctify us Eze 20:12 its God's work Exo 32:16 Psa 78:7 in us Heb 8:10 Eze 36:26 John 14:15-18 because man can't sanctify themselves Isa 66:17, we need God for everything

If we don't want to gather before the Lord to worship Him now in spirit on His holy Sabbath day, as we were told Lev 23:3, the example of Jesus Luke 4:16 and apostles Acts 15:21 Acts 13:33 Acts 18:4 why would one think they would suddenly want to on the New Heaven and New Earth when the Sabbath continues for worship before the Lord Isa 66:23

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Yes, Paul had to correct the teaching the Jews, that all they needed was to be circumcised to be saved, basically teaching they didn't need Jesus, they could save themselves, this is what he was correcting.

While the law of Moses includes the Ten Commandments, because God's commandments is for all people Rev 14:12 Paul made a distinction between circumcision from the law of Moses and the commandments of God and said this:

1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.
The Sabbath is a commandment of God thus saith the Lord, why we see record of them keeping every Sabbath in this same chapter Acts 15:21 because it has nothing to do with circumcision or the law of Moses as it is a direct commandment from the God of the Universe.



Paul taught clearly that grace is not a license to break God's law. He actually said how can those in Christ live in sin any longer? Why would a Christian want to continue sinning, which is breaking God's law 1 John 3:4 James 2:11-12 because of what it did to Jesus on the Cross. Its the devil who wants us to believe grace means we can sin and break God's law, because if there was no law, we would not need grace, and if we do not need grace then we do not need Jesus to save us, and if we do not need Jesus to save us, than we are all lost. So I see why the devil is constantly attacking God's law in various forms and why he has the whole world deceived, which is the majority.

You are falling into the trap of plucking verses here and there out of context by Paul. Do you really think Paul is referring to any of the Ten Commandments in Galatians. The Sabbath is not even mentioned once in Galatians. If reading in context the law he is referring to is circumcision Gal 2:3 the same issue compelling the Greeks to be circumcised in order to hear the gospel. People quote these verses but but they are not reading the stories, it is basically using the Bible as a weapon against itself. God said if you love Me, keep My commandments right in the Ten Commandments Exo 20:6 is the God of the Universe really bewitching the world?

So you basically exalted an unbiblical number over a Biblical number that that God Himself personally wrote and personally spoke. Can you find 613 in the Scriptures anywhere?

Lets again bring in the context in James because if you keep reading, James clearly tells us the law he is referring to breaking one we break them all of what He said.

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
What whole law is James referring to

11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

The He who said is God Exo 20:1

What whole law do we find these commandments that James only quoted and contrasted as an example.

Only in the Ten Commandments, written by the finger of God.

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Why no more was added to the Ten Commandments, because it stands by Itself the personal Testimony of the God of the Universe Exo 31:18

Deut 5:22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Why its called the whole law

2 Cor 33:8 and I will not again remove the foot of Israel from the land which I have appointed for your fathers—only if they are careful to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.”

We have the whole law the Ten Commandments written by the finger of God AND the other laws placed outside God's ark of the covenant as a witness against written by the hand of Moses. Deut 31:24-26

After the God of the Universe personally wrote and spoke HIS law- meant for ALL people Rev 14:12 showing how we love God and how we love our neighbor. He added no more, because it is a stand alone unit what all man will be Judged by why Jesus taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments and showed us the intent behind them using two as an example Mat 5:19-30 why it is God's perfect law converting the soul Psa 19:7



So you believe that the Sabbath was contrary and against us and the God of love who made man in His image on the sixth day before the very first Sabbath was made Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3 that God made the Sabbath to be against man from Creation and since man was made in the image of God He made the Sabbath, the holy day of the Lord to be against Himself, the complete opposite of what He said, it was meant to bless man Isa 56:2 a sign of His sanctification Eze 20:12 a sign between man and God Eze 20:20 to spend time with God and worship Him Isa 58:13 Isa 66:22-23 but these are things that are against man and needs to be abolished. Its time to unlearn the lies man has been handed down for centuries as this is an attack on the character of God. I showed you clearly what Col 2:16 is referring to which the context starts at least in verse 14, but actually prior. Sad, we can go away from God's Truth, but we were warned 2 Tim 4:3 God is calling people out of their false teachings Rev 18:4 before its too late Rev 22:11 but if we do not hear His voice calling us out of rebellion Heb 3:7-8, it won't change His Truth. Whoever we obey is who we serve Rom 6:16 and if we are not obeying God the way He said, we are serving another. Keep in mind Paul's writings came with a serious warning and an issue of salvation 2 Peter 3:15-16, the last thing we want to hear when Jesus returns is depart from Me, ye who practice lawlessness and the Greek word here means sin. Sin is the transgression of God's law, His version, not what was changed God warned us about Dan 7:25

You are not specifically addressing any of my points, so why should I address yours? The law of Moses consisted of more than just the Ten Commandments, so I have no idea why you (seemingly) are trying to argue otherwise. This is a waste of time. I know for a fact that the command to keep the Sabbath was never given to Gentiles and you cannot possibly show any scripture which teaches that.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You are not specifically addressing any of my points, so why should I address yours? The law of Moses consisted of more than just the Ten Commandments, so I have no idea why you (seemingly) are trying to argue otherwise. This is a waste of time. I know for a fact that the command to keep the Sabbath was never given to Gentiles and you cannot possibly show any scripture which teaches that.

I addressed all of your points with Scripture.

The Ten Commandments is not the law of Moses.

God claimed it as His- His Covenant- His commandments- Moses is not God.

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

The Ten Commandments is God's own Testimony, not the testimony of Moses.

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Which is in God's heavenly Temple, Rev 11:18-19 Heb 8:1-5 because God's law is the standard for all people because no government can survive on lawlessness, why God didn't let man write His holy and eternal law Mat 5:19 He personally wrote it He personally spoke it, He numbered them by design because He knew man would try to edit them, it is His will Psa 40:8 Heb 8:10 and Testimony Exo 31:18 for man.

The whole Bible is about the testimony of Jesus Christ through the prophets and the apostles, yet when it comes to God's own personal Testimony both divinely written and spoken by God, man lays them aside Mark 7:7-13 Mat 15:3-14

God's commandments are for God's people, Rev 14:12 Rev 12:17 His version Mat 5:18-19 Psa 89:34 which reconciles us Rev 22:14 no stipulation that says anywhere, except for the Sabbath commandment, we can forget what God said to Remember, that was made only for Jews and in heaven only Jews will be worshipping Him on the Sabbath, does it say that? It says all flesh,(His saints) because the Sabbath was made for mankind and everyone thus saith the Lord Isa 56:1-6 Mark 2:27 Isa 66:23

Guess we will have to agree to disagree and it will all get sorted out soon enough

 

[Spiritual Jew]

I addressed all of your points with Scripture.

The Ten Commandments is not the law of Moses.

It's part of the law of Moses along with all the other commandments that God gave to Moses to inform the Israelites about.

God claimed it as His- His Covenant- His commandments- Moses is not God.

All of the commandments in the law of Moses are God's commandments. This is a very weak argument that you're making here.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It's part of the law of Moses along with all the other commandments that God gave to Moses to inform the Israelites about.

Sure, the Ten Commandments are included in the law of Moses because God's law is for all people Rev 14:12 including Moses

All of the commandments in the law of Moses are God's commandments. This is a very weak argument that you're making here.

No, that's not true. God separated the Ten Commandments from all the other laws, statues, judgment etc. Only the Ten Commandments was placed inside the ark of the covenant Exo 40:20 all the other laws was placed outside Deut 4:31:24-26.

 

[JulieB67]

so why would one exalt a work day over God's holy day

We should exalt God every day.

The Sabbath is a holy convocation, thus saith the Lord Lev 23:3 which is what people do when they go to church
Why Jesus kept the Sabbath in the same manner Luke 4:16
Why the apostles kept every Sabbath in the same manner decades after the death of Christ Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4

Christ and the disciples went to the temple because they knew that's where everyone would be. It doesn' meant later on they "were keeping the Sabbath by doing so.

Why the Sabbath continues as a holy convocation from one Sabbath to another for worship in the New Heaven and New Earth Isa 66:23

It's just another way of saying month to month and week to week. You know what that means right? That means it's continuous.

but only asks for one day to focus on Him

Surely you're joking right? Only one day for God?? LOL The first commandment that Christ tells us is to love God with all your heart, soul, mind. That would include every day for us to do so. He should drive every aspect of our lives. Do we often fail at that? Yes, of course but he should still be the driving force. That's putting his will above our own, etc. And one does not have to go to a physical church to worship him. That comes from the heart period.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

We should exalt God every day.

Agreed, which means allowing Him to be God and obeying Him the way He said, because we trust that He knows what's best for us. The 4th commandment was not just the commandment for the Sabbath, it is a commandment for all days Exo 20:8-11

Christ and the disciples went to the temple because they knew that's where everyone would be. It doesn't later on they "were keeping the Sabbath by doing so.

They were keeping the Sabbath in the same manner as Jesus Luke 4:16 as a Christian we are to be a follower of Christ, its literally what it means and what we are taught John 15:4,5,10 1 John 2:6 1 John 3:24

The text doesn't support "its because its when everyone would be there" it says that no where. Best not to add whets not there

Its the same day the Gentiles begged for more gospel preaching the next Sabbath instead of trying to establish something different than what God commanded Acts 13:42 why both Jews and Gentiles were following the example of Jesus Acts 18:4 its was only after Scripture what we were warned would happen Acts 20:29

It's just another way of saying month to month and week to week. You know what that means right? That means it's continuous.

It says from one Sabbath to another. Isa 66:23. I go to church from one Sabbath to another, but I do not go to church continuous. I believe God knows the difference between one Sabbath to another and continuous. I believe God knows what He is doing and means what He says.

It also doesn't say we will be becoming before the Lord continuous, we are told the saints will be working i.e. tending to vineyards, building houses. Isaiah 65:21 so your commentary is not quite matching what the Scriptures teach

Surely you're joking right? Only one day for God?? LOL The first commandment that Christ tells us is to love God with all your heart, soul, mind. That would include every day for us to do so. He should drive every aspect of our lives. Do we often fail at that? Yes, of course but he should still be the driving force. That's putting his will above our own, etc. And one does not have to go to a physical church to worship him. That comes from the heart period.

God commanded us to work 6 days Exo 20:9 and commanded us to keep the seventh day Sabbath holy Exo 20:8 so your argument is with a much Higher Authority than I.

We should worship God 365 24/7 and while I pray and study my Bible every day, I also have to work for a living and do household chores.. God understands these things so gives us 6 days to get all of this done and only asks for one full day to be dedicated to Him Isa 58:13, the seventh day Sabbath for both physical rest from work and spiritually resting in Him by keeping our focus on Him for the entire day. Sadly, man has more important things to do than follow God the way He asked on the day He sanctified and blessed Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11 so He can sanctify us Eze 20:12 because we can't ourselves Isa 66:17 we need God. Jesus addressed this saying when we keep our own rules/traditions instead of obeying the commandments of God quoting directly from the Ten Commandments one heart is far from Him and are worshipping Him in vain. Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 So obedience to God's commandments cuts a lot deeper than most think, its a form of worship, obeying Him the way He asks versus how we want to.

 

[JulieB67]

but I do not go to church continuous.

You're still not getting it. The Sabbath is not about going to a physical church.

It says from one Sabbath to another. Isa 66:23. I go to church from one Sabbath to another

It also states new moon to new moon. Again, it's just another way of stating month to month and week to week. And it's not about going to church it means we will have God among us all the time and we will love and worship him. The former things will be passed away at that point.

I also have to work for a living and do household chores..

Of course we do but it's not about playing church one day a week and forgetting him the rest. That's not what the Sabbath is about. Especially today when we enter into Sabbatimos.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You're still not getting it. The Sabbath is not about going to a physical church.

I see your words, but my loyalty is to what God says. Church is one way to keep the Sabbath day holy, however the whole day should be about God.

Lev 23:3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

God wants us in one body, so of course God wants us in church keeping the Sabbath the same way He kept as our example and the apostles kept decades after the Cross and how it will be kept in the New Heaven and New Earth, thus saith the Lord.

It also states new moon to new moon.
Again, it's just another way of stating month to month and week to week. And it's not about going to church it means we will have God among us all the time and we will love and worship him. The former things will be passed away at that point.

There was not calendars in the Bible times, they could tell where they were in the month by the moon. A new moon, just means the beginning of a new month. It says coming before the Lord from one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another- two different cycles. Whatever God has planned on every new month, I do not think those who make it will be complaining. Some believe the months will be every 28 days, so every New Moon will also be a Sabbath, the Scriptures do not state this, but it does state clear the Sabbath continues in the New Heaven and New Earth, thus saith the Lord. If we are fighting so much about coming together before the Lord to worship Him in spirit on His Sabbath now, would one really be happy doing so in His presence for all eternity. We are to prepare ourselves for heaven now, that's what God's instructions are all about.

Of course we do but it's not about playing church one day a week. And forgetting him the rest.

Whoever said forgetting Him the rest of the week, I'll post what I said again


We should worship God 365 24/7 and while I pray and study my Bible everyday, I also have to work for a living and do household chores.. God understands these things so gives us 6 days to get all of this done and only asks for one full day to be dedicated to Him Isa 58:13, the seventh day Sabbath for both physical rest from work and spiritually resting in Him by keeping our focus on Him for the entire day. Sadly, man has more important things to do than follow God the way He asked on the day He sanctified and blessed Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11 so He can sanctify us Eze 20:12 because we can't ourselves Isa 66:17 we need God. Jesus addressed this saying when we keep our own rules/traditions instead of obeying the commandments of God quoting directly from the Ten Commandments one heart is far from Him and are worshipping Him in vain. Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 So obedience to God's commandments cuts a lot deeper than most think, its a form of worship, obeying Him the way He asks versus how we want to.

 

[Jamdoc]

Its not about us, its about giving back to the Creator of the Universe and honoring, worshipping and Remembering everything He did for us on the day He asked us to. If we are worshipping God for our own needs, wants, desires we are doing it for the wrong reasons. Isa 58:13

Only if one thinks spending time with God the way God said is work, God said its a blessing Lev 23:3 Isa 56:2 so He can sanctify us Eze 20:12 its God's work Exo 32:16 Psa 78:7 in us Heb 8:10 Eze 36:26 John 14:15-18 because man can't sanctify themselves Isa 66:17, we need God for everything

If we don't want to gather before the Lord to worship Him now in spirit on His holy Sabbath day, as we were told Lev 23:3, the example of Jesus Luke 4:16 and apostles Acts 15:21 Acts 13:33 Acts 18:4 why would one think they would suddenly want to on the New Heaven and New Earth when the Sabbath continues for worship before the Lord Isa 66:23

and so God gets a day of rest, we just get an extra day of work just a different kind of work?

Like let's break going to church down.
You have to adhere to a specific dress code which is pretty much the same dress code as an office job perhaps even more formal
You have to go to a specific place in the morning at a specific time not of your choosing, that is, it's scheduled.
You're doing something you would not necessarily do of your own free will, with expectation of compensation from your boss.
Yes, you have a boss in both cases, someone you are doing this for because it's not for your own self, and you have coworkers, people you really only see at the "office" who are there for the same reason you are.
and that reason is... you're obligated, it's legally required under your "Sabbath".. or you get fired. Literally under your system.

You are.. going to work, just in this case your employer is God, and the religious activities are only for a couple hours not all day.

Your sabbath sounds like man was created for the Sabbath, rather than the Sabbath created for man.

first words out of your mouth was "it's for Him not you"
Is that "the Sabbath was created for man"? if the Sabbath is about an obligation you have to it?

That is quite literally "Man was created for the Sabbath"

 

[SabbathBlessings]

and so God gets a day of rest, we just get an extra day of work just a different kind of work?

Sorry, not following. Are you saying worshipping God the way He asks is work? God told us to rest from all work and labors to keep the Sabbath day holy. Exo 20:8-11. I do not considering worshipping God work, and I feel bad for those who think it is.

God doesn't need rest, He rested at Creation Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11 because God always leads by example. Exo 20:8-11 as man was created in the image and likeness of God to be followers of Him.

 

[Jamdoc]

Sorry, not following. Are you saying worshipping God the way He asks is work? God told us to rest from all work and labors to keep the Sabbath day holy. Exo 20:8-11. I do not considering worshipping God work, and I feel bad for those who think it is.

God doesn't need rest, He rested at Creation Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11 because God always leads by example. Exo 20:8-11 as man was created in the image and likeness of God to be followers of Him.

I edited to explain, comparing typical church activity and the obligation, to work.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I edited to explain, comparing typical church activity and the obligation, to work.

It’s a misunderstanding of what God established and why. I do not believe worshipping God the way He asked is work. I believe and have faith He knows what He is doing even if we don’t always agree or understand.

I have tried my best to explain from Scripture so not sure what more I can do. I guess I’ll just leave it as agree to disagree

 

[Jamdoc]

It’s a misunderstanding of what God established and why. I do not believe worshipping God the way He asked is work. I believe and have faith He knows what He is doing even if we don’t always agree or understand.

I have tried my best to explain from Scripture so not sure what more I can do. I guess I’ll just leave it as agree to disagree

Ask yourself why the Sabbath was created.
it was rest.
God RESTED on the 7th day. That's why it's Holy.
Because He Rested.

You have turned the reason for the Sabbath existing from rest, to religion and law.

That at its very foundation is "creating man for the Sabbath"

Exodus 16

29 See, for that the Lord hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
30 So the people rested on the seventh day.

The goal was rest. Not going for worship and religious ceremonies.

Now in Leviticus 23, yes they call it a holy convocation but...

3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

now compare that, the 7th day Sabbath of rest.. to all the other sabbaths within Leviticus 23

the Feast of Unleavened Bread:

5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover.
6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

No servile work rather than just no work, because God commands people to do something on this Sabbath other than rest. They don't work their job or work their fields, but they still work to do sacrifices to Him.

That goes for the other feasts of the Lord too. They are to do no SERVILE work, but they are to do work for Him, sacrifices and religious activities.

but the Sabbath of rest on the 7th day? There was nothing about doing any work, even religious work. They were commanded to stay home and rest.