My 4004 Challenge

[AV1611VET]

Uh huh. Please explain how in this different state past chalk was formed without fossilisation. Be specific.

They aren't fossils.

They are the shells of animals that died.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

They aren't fossils.

They are the shells of animals that died.

In that case please explain how you get shells of dead animals before things started dying.

 

[AV1611VET]

In that case please explain how you get shells of dead animals before things started dying.

What?

Them things perished in the Flood.

All of 'em.

And God swept they shells all up into a nice neat pile and left 'em there.

Chalk one up for Him, eh?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

What?

Them things perished in the Flood.

All of 'em.

And God swept they shells all up into a nice neat pile and left 'em there.

Chalk one up for Him, eh?

Huh? In post 29 you tell us the flood was in 2348BC, but we're talking about white cliffs visible in 4004BC.

Please explain your freaky time-travelling cliffs!

EDIT: Just to be clear on what has been said so far:

AV's question "would you see white cliffs in 4004BC"
Justa's response "Yes"
My question "Please explain how those white cliffs were formed in 4004BC"
AV's response "They were formed in 2348BC"

 

[Astrophile]

You're transported back to the year 4004 BC.

Please answer YES or NO to the following items you would expect to see:

1. a yellow sun
2. thorns & thistles
3. a moon with craters
4. fossils
5. white cliffs, meandering streams, polystrate fossils
6. stalactites & stalagmites
7. rain
8. Egypt, Iran, China
9. five continents
10. polar ice caps
11. more than one ocean

All of them, except for Number 9; there are actually seven continents (Asia, Africa, North America, South America, Europe, Australasia, Antarctica).

 

[Shemjaza]

All of them, except for Number 9; there are actually seven continents (Asia, Africa, North America, South America, Europe, Australasia, Antarctica).

Aren't Asia and Europe the same Continental plate?
(But India is a kinda tiny separate one).

 

[AV1611VET]

EDIT: Just to be clear on what has been said so far:

AV's question "would you see white cliffs in 4004BC"
Justa's response "Yes"
My question "Please explain how those white cliffs were formed in 4004BC"
AV's response "They were formed in 2348BC"

So what's the problem?

Justa is entitled to his opinion, and I'm entitled to mine.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

So what's the problem?

Justa is entitled to his opinion, and I'm entitled to mine.

But you're answering for Justa. Your answer is nonsensical in context. And his answer is not forthcoming, so I'll chalk (get it?) that up as another error he's walking away from rather than admitting.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

I answered..... you are just ignoring the answer as is AV.

How long did Adam spend in the garden naming all the animals?

You refuse to consider it, AV fails to realize the counting of Adam’s life (4004 BC) does not start until “after” Adam is expelled from the garden. Anyone who thinks Adam could name all the animals in a day can be dismissed as ignoring reality. On either side....

Then there is the question for the punishment for sin. How does Adam comprehend the punishment for disobedience if he doesn’t observe animals living out their lives and dying?

Adam spent an untold number of centuries in the garden.....

 

[AV1611VET]

How long did Adam spend in the garden naming all the animals?

Obviously it took less than a day to ...

Genesis 2:20a And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field;

Since Adam did the naming between the time he was created, and the time Eve was created.

And since both Adam and Eve were created on the same day, it took less than a day to name them.

 

[AV1611VET]

Anyone who thinks Adam could name all the animals in a day can be dismissed as ignoring reality.

Why?

Just how many cattle, fowl, and beast were there at the time?

And since when does that triad (cattle, beast, fowl) constitute "all the animals"?

Then there is the question for the punishment for sin.

Which has nothing to do with 4004 BC.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Obviously it took less than a day to ...

Genesis 2:20a And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field;

Since Adam did the naming between the time he was created, and the time Eve was created.

And since both Adam and Eve were created on the same day, it took less than a day to name them.

And it said male and female created He them. But we also know only Adam did He form out of the Dust. Eve was made from Adams side. So male and female He didn’t create them from the ground, now did He.....

It took centuries, so that Adam would realize as all the animals were brought before him, male and female, that he was alone and would cherish Eve like a precious vessel once she was brought forth.

In this time animals gave birth, lived their lives and died, so that the comprehension of death could be understood.

When Eve was deceived Adam willfully chose to fall with her then to be alone again. He lacked the faith that God would provide. So blame is put on him not Eve for being deceived, but Adam for willingly disobeying. His test was to trust God to provide after centuries of being alone when Eve was deceived. He failed that test and chose instead to die with her.

But you can easily show how it took a day by naming all the animals in a day for us. You can even use zoology books to help.....

 

[AV1611VET]

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I do not care to discuss anything that happened (or didn't happen) after 28 October 4004 BC in this thread.

 

[Astrophile]

Aren't Asia and Europe the same Continental plate?

Yes, I suppose they are. Perhaps there are only six continents.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I answered..... you are just ignoring the answer as is AV.

How long did Adam spend in the garden naming all the animals?

You refuse to consider it, AV fails to realize the counting of Adam’s life (4004 BC) does not start until “after” Adam is expelled from the garden. Anyone who thinks Adam could name all the animals in a day can be dismissed as ignoring reality. On either side....

Then there is the question for the punishment for sin. How does Adam comprehend the punishment for disobedience if he doesn’t observe animals living out their lives and dying?

Adam spent an untold number of centuries in the garden.....

My question still stands, no matter how inconvenient you find it. How did the white cliffs form when nothing died?

 

[Aman777]

But then no one ever asks how long Adam spent in the garden naming all the animals...... sigh.....

Adam lived with Jesus for some 14 Billion years but only in the past 3.8 Billion years have animals been around. They were created from water on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21 Adam lived in the Garden in a perfect body like we will have in Heaven. It was like Jesus' body so Adam was not stuck in one place. Until he sinned, Adam flew, just as we will again, at the Rapture:

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

[Aman777]

My question still stands, no matter how inconvenient you find it. How did the white cliffs form when nothing died?

Darkness or death was present before the 1st Day. Genesis 1:2 It was upon everything that God brought into the physical world, which was made apart from God, some 23 Billion years ago, in man's time. ANYthing apart from God is subject to death/darkness/entropy.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Darkness or death was present before the 1st Day. Genesis 1:2 It was upon everything that God brought into the physical world, which was made apart from God, some 23 Billion years ago, in man's time. ANYthing apart from God is subject to death/darkness/entropy.

That's your view. It is not shared by all, so perhaps you should let those who don't share that view answer for themselves.

 

[Aman777]

That's your view. It is not shared by all, so perhaps you should let those who don't share that view answer for themselves.

Am I not allowed to show you what I believe is the Truth? Or should I consider that I should change my views because of your discrimination? Are you trying to be like Trump the bluffer?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Why?

Just how many cattle, fowl, and beast were there at the time?

And since when does that triad (cattle, beast, fowl) constitute "all the animals"?

Well then if Adam giving names to all the animals really doesn’t mean “all” then why not go with just a local flood or why stick to the day interpretation at all?

Ahhh, that’s literal when God said all life with breath for the flood but not when He said all when Adam names them....

Which has nothing to do with 4004 BC.

Sure it does. We have had this conversation before about how Adam comprehends what the punishment for sin is (death) when no word can exist to describe a state people say didn’t exist...... without having observed death, no comprehension of that state can exist.....

So again, how long was Adam in the garden watching animals live out their lives and dying so he could comprehend what death meant?