My 4004 Challenge

[46AND2]

I know, the article just says long periods, but the strata that it extends through encompass millions of years.

No...it doesn't. Show me ONE article where the strata surrounding a polystrate fossil encompasses millions of years.

ONE.

And no...the article doesn't JUST say long periods. It goes on to say decades to thousands of years. Not millions.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't think you read minds too good. The first indicator of quackery, claiming mind reading skills.....

I am hardly reading your mind. You have shown an inability to understand this many times over.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Says them all...

"Geological explanation
In geology, such fossils are referred to as either upright fossil trunks, upright fossil trees, or T0 assemblages. According to mainstream (actualistic) models of sedimentary environments, they are formed by rare to infrequent brief episodes of rapid sedimentation separated by long periods of either slow deposition, nondeposition, or a combination of both."

Why evolutionists must always bury their heads in the sand is beyond me....

So you still don't understand that article.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

I am hardly reading your mind. You have shown an inability to understand this many times over.

So you still don't understand that article.

That's what you keep claiming, but sadly the posts that claim this never seem to be able to present anything to back that claim.....

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's what you keep claiming, but sadly the posts that claim this never seem to be able to present anything to back that claim.....

What do you wish to learn? Ask politely and properly and people will help you. Arrogant and ignorant claims will be treated as such.

 

[46AND2]

I know, the article just says long periods, but the strata that it extends through encompass millions of years.

So I am glad to see you arguing against those strata actually encompass millions of years. There may be hope for you yet....

So...no examples of million year polystrate fossils? Are you at least capable of admitting that you might have been mistaken?

 

[46AND2]

That's what you keep claiming, but sadly the posts that claim this never seem to be able to present anything to back that claim.....

You sure about that? Seems pretty clear to me that you don't understand that article. Specifically, you misinterpreted "long periods" to mean "millions" of years, when in fact it only means decades to thousands.

I mean, all we had to do was tell you to read the next paragraph (which shouldn't be necessary, but was done, anyway)...what more are we supposed to do to show you that you don't comprehend that article?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

No...it doesn't. Show me ONE article where the strata surrounding a polystrate fossil encompasses millions of years.

ONE.

And no...the article doesn't JUST say long periods. It goes on to say decades to thousands of years. Not millions.

Blackberry Hill

"The medusae jellyfish fossils have so far been found in seven layers in the quarry, representing some 12 vertical feet of rock and corresponding to a span of time of about one million years."

A picture is worth a thousand words......

Or leaves buried upright in Diatomaceous Rock

Do we really need to go into a discussion about how long it takes to form????? After all, it's geologists support for their millions of years scenario's......

 

[Justatruthseeker]

You sure about that? Seems pretty clear to me that you don't understand that article. Specifically, you misinterpreted "long periods" to mean "millions" of years, when in fact it only means decades to thousands.

I mean, all we had to do was tell you to read the next paragraph (which shouldn't be necessary, but was done, anyway)...what more are we supposed to do to show you that you don't comprehend that article?

See above, your claims are baseless in face of actual evidence.....

Why try to double-talk your way around the problem? Why not just own up to it and say yes, but it means this, not what you present it as, instead of just ignoring it and hoping it goes away????

Instead you claim there are none, because you don't want to face up to reality....

 

[46AND2]

Blackberry Hill

"The medusae jellyfish fossils have so far been found in seven layers in the quarry, representing some 12 vertical feet of rock and corresponding to a span of time of about one million years."

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A picture is worth a thousand words......

Wow. Did you think I wouldn't check your sources or something? That picture is not from the same article you quoted.

Why would you post text from one page, and an unrelated picture? They aren't even in the same country. The jellyfish are in Wisconsin, and the tree fossil is in Germany.

Again, I say....."said NO SCIENTIST EVER."

Show me a polystrate tree that spans millions of years worth of stratum. In other words, show me a fossilized tree where dates of the rock surrounding that tree span millions of years. It shouldn't be hard, you claimed that all scientists say it is so. I guarantee you won't find one.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Wow. Did you think I wouldn't check your sources or something? That picture is not from the same article you quoted.

Why would you post text from one page, and an unrelated picture? They aren't even in the same country. The jellyfish are in Wisconsin, and the tree fossil is in Germany.

Again, I say....."said NO SCIENTIST EVER."

Show me a polystrate tree that spans millions of years worth of stratum. In other words, show me a fossilized tree where dates of the rock surrounding that tree span millions of years. It shouldn't be hard, you claimed that all scientists say it is so. I guarantee you won't find one.

Oh my God...... I never said it was from that article.

What, you are unable to put many layers comprising 12 feet means millions of years and a picture of a tree extending through more than 12 feet of many layers together in your mind???/

Is comprehension and logical thinking this far gone in today's society that people can not see what was clearly presented?

You evolutionists always pretend like comprehension is beyond you, but then claim only you can comprehend.... Amazing....

That's like all of you pretending you cant understand the definition of Kind with maybe 3 meanings, but have no problem understanding species with its 26 separate definitions.... Just shakes my head incredulously....

I'm the one that argues limestone sedimentary layers can form in days. You all claim they take millions, so why are you running from your claims right into mine????? And you don't even "see" it, so hard are you trying to avoid your own time conclusions........

 

[46AND2]

Oh my God...... I never said it was from that article.

What, you are unable to put many layers comprising 12 feet means millions of years and a picture of a tree extending through more than 12 feet of many layers together in your mind???/

Is comprehension and logical thinking this far gone in today's society that people can not see what was clearly presented?

You evolutionists always pretend like comprehension is beyond you, but then claim only you can comprehend.... Amazing....

That's like all of you pretending you cant understand the definition of Kind with maybe 3 meanings, but have no problem understanding species with its 26 separate definitions.... Just shakes my head incredulously....

I'm the one that argues limestone sedimentary layers can form in days. You all claim they take millions, so why are you running from your claims right into mine????? And you don't even "see" it, so hard are you trying to avoid your own time conclusions........

Lol. Just because 12 feet of rock spans a million years in one location, doesn't mean that it does everywhere.

Why would I conflate 12 feet in Germany with 12 feet in Wisconsin? That's just dumb. They were not even formed the same way; one has ocean creatures, and the other has trees!

It's really, really simple. The 12 feet with the tree was deposited RELATIVELY quickly, and the 12 feet in Wisconsin RELATIVELY slowly. And the radiometric dates confirm that. Always.

Once again, show me one tree that spans millions of years in its own surrounding rock, or admit that you cant.

 

[46AND2]

One example, justa. Just one. You
said all scientists...i think I'm giving a fair challenge.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Lol. Just because 12 feet of rock spans a million years in one location, doesn't mean that it does everywhere.

Why would I conflate 12 feet in Germany with 12 feet in Wisconsin? That's just dumb. They were not even formed the same way; one has ocean creatures, and the other has trees!

Both have ocean features and both have trees.....

It's really, really simple. The 12 feet with the tree was deposited RELATIVELY quickly, and the 12 feet in Wisconsin RELATIVELY slowly. And the radiometric dates confirm that. Always.

I agree, relatively quickly in a matter of months during the flood.....

Oh please. That is such a strawman. Radiometric dating can not be performed on sedimentary strata....

Once again, show me one tree that spans millions of years in its own surrounding rock, or admit that you cant.

I just did, you want to ignore it. Notice how only the fossils that extend through multiple layers are said to have been deposited relatively quickly, while everywhere else it's claimed to take millions of years for those layers to form. Just got to love their inconsistency..... we will ignore as always the coal layer through which the tree is passing through, because of course coal was laid down quickly..... sigh......

Don't get me wrong, I am glad to see you are beginning to realize it happened quickly and the layers solidified into rock in a matter of months instead of millions of years.....

Scientists Turn Sand to Stone

Now if we can just get you to correct your other faulty beliefs about all the layers that don't have fossils extending through them.....

You see, I agree with you that the layers are not millions of years old, but were formed in months by the flood.....

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh my God...... I never said it was from that article.

What, you are unable to put many layers comprising 12 feet means millions of years and a picture of a tree extending through more than 12 feet of many layers together in your mind???/

Is comprehension and logical thinking this far gone in today's society that people can not see what was clearly presented?

You evolutionists always pretend like comprehension is beyond you, but then claim only you can comprehend.... Amazing....

That's like all of you pretending you cant understand the definition of Kind with maybe 3 meanings, but have no problem understanding species with its 26 separate definitions.... Just shakes my head incredulously....

I'm the one that argues limestone sedimentary layers can form in days. You all claim they take millions, so why are you running from your claims right into mine????? And you don't even "see" it, so hard are you trying to avoid your own time conclusions........

But that does not happen. None of the "polystrate" fossils are examples of millions of years of deposition. Different environments have different rates of deposition. Chalk, for example, is deposited extremely slowly. It cannot be rapidly deposited.

Every example of "polystrate" fossils that I have been shown are only single stratum. Just because a stratum is thick does not mean that there is more than one layer there.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

But that does not happen. None of the "polystrate" fossils are examples of millions of years of deposition. Different environments have different rates of deposition. Chalk, for example, is deposited extremely slowly. It cannot be rapidly deposited.

Every example of "polystrate" fossils that I have been shown are only single stratum. Just because a stratum is thick does not mean that there is more than one layer there.

It helps if you open your eyes. Shut eyes never see anything...

ALL the fossils you have ever seen are one layer (except polystrate fossils).

Glad you mention chalk, so we can go ahead and kill two birds with one stone...

The Acrocanthosaurus dinosaur fossil and the Lepidodendron plant fossil are polystrates in the Austin Chalk/Glen Rose Cretaceous sedimentary limestone formation that literally extends to every continent on Earth. This observation is documented in The Nature of the Stratagraphic Record and The New Catastrophism by evolutionist Derick Ager.

So either your belief of more than one layer is flawed, or your belief in how long geological process take (such as chalk) is flawed. In reality both are....

Here's an example of one that starts in a coal bed, extends up through several layers, and ends in another coal bed.....

coal

"Fossil fuels are formed from the remains of ancient organisms. Because coal takes millions of years to develop and there is a limited amount of it, it is a nonrenewable resource"

And why is it a nonrenewable resource? Because it never develops today, nor are there any indications by "your" calculations that any has begun forming despite Billions of years passing... which means there should be coal deposits all over the world in various stages of formation.... Seems that lack of transitionals keeps popping up everywhere....

It is nonrenewable because God promised never to create another world-wide flood.... which is what caused all that plant material to be brought together in the first place in masses 2,000 feet thick which would be required to form some of the deposits we see today......

 

[Subduction Zone]

ALL the fossils you have ever seen are one layer (except polystrate fossils)

Glad you mention chalk, so we can go ahead and kill two birds with one stone...

The Acrocanthosaurus dinosaur fossil and the Lepidodendron plant fossil are polystrates in the Austin Chalk/Glen Rose Cretaceous sedimentary limestone formation that literally extends to every continent on Earth. This observation is documented in The Nature of the Stratagraphic Record and The New Catastrophism by evolutionist Derick Ager.

So either your belief of more than one layer is flawed, or your belief in how long geological process take (such as chalk) is flawed. In reality both are....

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Here's an example of one that starts in a coal bed, extends up through several layers, and ends in another coal bed.....

coal

"Fossil fuels are formed from the remains of ancient organisms. Because coal takes millions of years to develop and there is a limited amount of it, it is a nonrenewable resource"

And why is it a nonrenewable resource? Because it never develops today, nor are there any indications by "your" calculations that any has begun forming despite Billions of years passing... which means there should be coal deposits all over the world in various stages of formation....

It is nonrenewable because God promised never to create another world-wide flood.... what caused all that plant material to be brought together in the first place in masses 2,000 feet thick which would be required to form some of the deposits we see today......

Try again with valid links that support your claims. Not links that you only read the title to and did not understand. Wavey still wins against what you have posted.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Try again with valid links that support your claims. Not links that you only read the title to and did not understand. Wavey still wins against what you have posted.

Of course pseudoscience wins, it always does, that's the nature of it. Fairie Dust glitters brightly and tends to blind people that see trees extending through one coal seem up into other rock layers, and ending in another coal seam, and can't "see" the evidence that falsifies their beliefs....

 

[Subduction Zone]

Of course pseudoscience wins, it always does, that's the nature of it. Fairie Dust glitters brightly and tends to blind people that see trees extending through one coal seem up into other rock layers, and ending in another coal seam, and can't "see" the evidence that falsifies their beliefs....

Once again with the false claims by the person that believes in fairy dust. That is what your electric universe beliefs have been shown to be.

Instead of repeatedly telling us that you do not understand the basics of science why not have a discussion on the basics of science. You will not be able to understand your errors until you do so.

A stratum may have different layers to it. It is the overall environment of deposition that makes up a stratum. For example this is part of one stratum:

Turbidity current - Wikipedia

Please note the alternating sandstone and shale layers.

If you can't find a valid site that supports your claims that alone should tell you that they are false.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Once again with the false claims by the person that believes in fairy dust. That is what your electric universe beliefs have been shown to be.

Instead of repeatedly telling us that you do not understand the basics of science why not have a discussion on the basics of science. You will not be able to understand your errors until you do so.

A stratum may have different layers to it. It is the overall environment of deposition that makes up a stratum. For example this is part of one stratum:

Turbidity current - Wikipedia

Please note the alternating sandstone and shale layers.

If you can't find a valid site that supports your claims that alone should tell you that they are false.

So you make claims, but fail scientifically......

Polystrate fossils have been shown to extend through many layers. How long to form your shale and sandstone layers along with compression?????

Your own science tells you the truth, but you ignored it....

• A polystrate fossil is a fossil of a single organism (such as a tree trunk) that extends through more than one geological stratum. ...
• In geology, such fossils are referred to as either upright fossil trunks, upright fossil trees, or T0 assemblages.

Not just through many layers of one stratum, but through more than one geological stratum.....

If you would prefer we call them upright fossil trunks, upright fossil trees, or T0 assemblages that is fine with me. Just realize your claims on only one stratum is documented as a false claim....

Again, they are not denying their existance through more than one geological stratum, just the rate the stratum are deposited, contradicting their own claims of how entire layers are formed into stratum over time.... or claim uplift and deposition to try to explain them away in their "geological time frame"

I already understand all sedimentary layers and fossils were laid down within a year. Explaining these polystrate fossils is not difficult for me at all, just you. But that's why you ignored they have been found extending through more than one stratum and tried to play it off as just layers.....

And I think the only one that has failed to provide any valid links, is you.......