My 4004 Challenge

[Justatruthseeker]

My question still stands, no matter how inconvenient you find it. How did the white cliffs form when nothing died?

Because things did die. Observing animals live out their lives and dying is how Adam could comprehend the punishment for sin (death).

You see, you like others want Adam to understand what death was yet claim there was no death. The word would be meaningless. But that’s just unbelievers attempt to make God into a God that gives a punishment for something someone could never understand what the punishment really meant.

That’s the first lie ever told.... “you will surely not die.....” but that’s what made the poison so palatable, it was followed by truth....

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Am I not allowed to show you what I believe is the Truth? Or should I consider that I should change my views because of your discrimination? Are you trying to be like Trump the bluffer?

The question was aimed at those with a different view to you. I simply requested that you allow those people to answer for themselves. Do you not think they should be allowed to do so?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Because things did die. Observing animals live out their lives and dying is how Adam could comprehend the punishment for sin (death).

You see, you like others want Adam to understand what death was yet claim there was no death. The word would be meaningless. But that’s just unbelievers attempt to make God into a God that gives a punishment for something someone could never understand what the punishment really meant.

That’s the first lie ever told.... “you will surely not die.....”

Ah, I was under the impression you were one of those who believe there was no death and all animals were vegetarian.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Ah, I was under the impression you were one of those who believe there was no death and all animals were vegetarian.

Hmmmm, why would I believe such a thing? Lions teeth ain’t made to eat straw.... at least in this creation. Now in the next which won’t just be very good, but perfect, that lion-like creature will do just that....

 

[Aman777]

The question was aimed at those with a different view to you. I simply requested that you allow those people to answer for themselves. Do you not think they should be allowed to do so?

FYI, This is a message board and no one can stop another from posting.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

FYI, This is a message board and no one can stop another from posting.

I didn't try to stop you from posting. You're not listening to what I am saying, are you?

 

[AV1611VET]

So again, how long was Adam in the garden watching animals live out their lives and dying so he could comprehend what death meant?

Adam didn't need to watch animals to know what death meant.

He was created mature; and that maturity included a rich vocabulary of at least general terms.

 

[AV1611VET]

FYI, This is a message board and no one can stop another from posting.

You will cease and deist posting at this time.

Any further posting from you will be construed as the aforementioned order being ignored.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You're transported back to the year 4004 BC.

Please answer YES or NO to the following items you would expect to see:

1. a yellow sun
2. thorns & thistles
3. a moon with craters
4. fossils
5. white cliffs, meandering streams, polystrate fossils
6. stalactites & stalagmites
7. rain
8. Egypt, Iran, China
9. five continents
10. polar ice caps
11. more than one ocean

1. The Sun would be essentially the same color as it is today.

2. Of course.

3. Of course.

4. Of course. You do realize that practically all fossils are far far older than this.

5. White cliffs of Dover? Yes, they were formed by then. They are a post glacial formation I do believe. Meandering streams, since I can show one to you millions of years old of course. Polystrate fossils? Since they do not exist today I see no reason for them to exist back then.

6 Yep

7. Of course. We have fossilized raindrops hundreds of millions of years old.

8. Define what you mean by those names. Iran no, it is a relatively recent country. I am not even sure if Persia existed at that time.

9 No, I would expect to see the same number of continents that exist today.

10. Of course.

11. Yepper doodles.

 

[AV1611VET]

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No polystrate fossils today?

 

[Aman777]

I didn't try to stop you from posting. You're not listening to what I am saying, are you?

Sure I am. You posted " I simply requested that you allow those people to answer for themselves. Do you not think they should be allowed to do so?" Try to keep up.

 

[Aman777]

You will cease and deist posting at this time.

Any further posting from you will be construed as the aforementioned order being ignored.

I'm sorry ole great board warden.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No polystrate fossils today?

Nope. The examples given that I have seen show tall fossils in one stratum.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Sure I am. You posted " I simply requested that you allow those people to answer for themselves. Do you not think they should be allowed to do so?" Try to keep up.

Aman777, I'm way ahead of you. Let me rephrase my question - you don't understand what I posted, do you? You're whining that I'm trying to stop you posting, but I have never said anything remotely like that.

 

[Aman777]

Aman777, I'm way ahead of you. Let me rephrase my question - you don't understand what I posted, do you? You're whining that I'm trying to stop you posting, but I have never said anything remotely like that.

Unworthy of comment. God bless you

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Adam didn't need to watch animals to know what death meant.

He was created mature; and that maturity included a rich vocabulary of at least general terms.

Umm, hmmm.... If you say so... That's simply avoidance. How does a definition explain something never experienced or observed? Definitions only explain what already exists..... How do you conceive of something that doesn't exist?????

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Nope. The examples given that I have seen show tall fossils in one stratum.

The scientific deffinition has escaped you....

Polystrate fossil - Wikipedia

"A polystrate fossil is a fossil of a single organism (such as a tree trunk) that extends through more than one geological stratum."

Of course they try to explain it away as having occurred by several sedimentary processes over millions of years. That just happened to leave the fossil un-weathered while sitting in the elements for those millions of years...... Sigh...... Kind of like lack of erosion layers between sedimentary layers.....

 

[AV1611VET]

Umm, hmmm.... If you say so... That's simply avoidance. How does a definition explain something never experienced or observed? Definitions only explain what already exists..... How do you conceive of something that doesn't exist?????

I define embedded age creation as "maturity without history."

This puts a stop to the argument that Adam & Eve were the equivalent of "children put in a room with a loaded gun and told not to touch it."

They weren't children; they were responsible adults.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

I define embedded age creation as "maturity without history."

This puts a stop to the argument that Adam & Eve were the equivalent of "children put in a room with a loaded gun and told not to touch it."

They weren't children; they were responsible adults.

Or Adam just spent an untold amount of time in the garden.

According to you they touched that loaded gun and pulled the trigger the very same day anyways, so that maturity without history didn’t do them a bit of good, did it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Or Adam just spent an untold amount of time in the garden.

I don't know how long he was there. Some think it was just a year.

According to you they touched that loaded gun and pulled the trigger the very same day anyways,

I don't remember saying it was the same day. Perhaps you have me mixed up with someone else?

... so that maturity without history didn’t do them a bit of good, did it?

It was good enough for them to marry and have children.

That's more than academians do today in this world of shacking up.