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Not sure about the .01 claim, but I do know that precision is a function of variability and the number of data points contributing to the mean estimate. the more data points, the more precision (all else being equal). It wouldn't surprise me if 1,000's if not tens of thousands of data points go into those global estimates.
I already tried pointing that out to him, even included a reference to a Stanford University statistic page. Heissonear will have none of those "facts". Heissonear (the famed geochemist) doesn't have time for how science is done. He's on a CRUSADE.
Given that some of Heiss's posts come across as having been written whilst, shall we say, emotionally animated, I think there may be more going on there than just a personal crusade.
That's sort of like freaking out over a photoflash and believing we're all going to be blinded by day's end.
Sidebar, how many of the climate scientist's climate models have accurately predicted the earth's climate since being programmed? (Ans: 0)
Personally, I'm not going to be freaked by this 'news.'
Kind of like your personal crusade to always attack the poster while refusing to challenge the data??? That kind of crusade?
[serious];66928419 said:Well, to make this thread more politics appropriate, you could always approach it like this:
What should be the governmental response to the continuing rise of global temperatures?
I already tried pointing that out to him, even included a reference to a Stanford University statistic page. Heissonear will have none of those "facts". Heissonear (the famed geochemist) doesn't have time for how science is done. He's on a CRUSADE.
Ugh. A math denier. Them's the toughest kind.
Some are slow to understand what has happened to "climate science". And the propaganda being promoted by agenda driven "scientists ".
There are climate events occurring every day across the Earth giving a spectrum of weather, from direct solar radiation to barren sun tundra atmospheric cooling/freezing, to atmospheric pressure induced wind with geographically diverse speed and direction, to humidity variation from which side of the jet stream and recent front that passed through. And some reduce this to single data points!
All these climatic events on Earth each day and we let "climate scientists " reduce them to single point temperatures for a time period such as the past 24 hours or past year?
In one place you have to hold your hat on to keep it from blowing off, and another place you cannot walk bare footed across the asphalt street without burning your the bottom of your feet, and another place the moisture of your exposed face to -50°F will freeze in less than 2 minutes, but that day the Global Earth Temperature is one fixed number?
I think science is observations based, not hypothetical numbers and calculations that people try to correlate on a graph and place in literature.
What have some people allowed reality to be turned into? Graphs? Accumulative data points? Mens opinions?
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No, I said "more going on than a personal crusade". Do try and concentrate.
I know, he's presenting evidence, while you just went on a personal crusade. I agree, his is more than just a personal crusade.
Morano: 'They are talking about statistically meaningless temperature records that the instrument record cant even measure. Its way within the margin of error. Its statistical nonsense.. We have scientists now using words like misleading & lies & deception against NASA.
'NASAs lead global warning scientist is Gavin Schmidt. Hes got egg all over his face with this...It means in reality that the global warming pause continues. And according to the satellite data there has been no global warming for 18 years 3 months.'
'NASA has a major agenda when it comes to global warming and they are willing to do these kind of misleading and deceptive things when it comes to hottest year claims. The former head of NASAs global warming research was James Hansen. He got arrested at least half a dozen times protesting global warming. Hansen endorsed a book calling for ridding the world of industrial civilization. That was the lead global warming scientist at NASA. Now we have Gavin Schmidt who replaced Hansen.'
Actually, we really don't know how much "arable" land Greenland has until it melts all the ice.Greenland has no arable land. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Greenland#Land_use
Actually, we really don't know how much "arable" land Greenland has until it melts all the ice.
Vikings grew barley in Greenland | ScienceNordic
Greenland is Green Again
Some farms are reporting crops of at least 20 - 25 strawberries.
Is Greenland three islands?
Truth frequently tends to have that effect on people - particularly when it doesn't need anything more than simple terms to present.It really almost hurts to read such juvenile argumentation.
Meh... I think it needs pointing out - especially when the impossibly complex "what if" scenarios are being posited as accurate predictions - and when so many actually believe them.Pointing out that it's extremely hard to predict things in models that are so complex that even a server farm can't accurately analyse "what if" scenario's is not an argument against the factual trend of a planet warming up due to an excess of co2.
Let me guess - that came from one of the models - because *that* would be a good prediction indeed, you know, us not having any children and all. At least the models are consistent; and I suppose once they fix a couple of the minor details, everything will be copascetic.And your grandchildren will curse you for thinking like that.
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