[MOVED] Denying God's Creation because we prefer the darkness

[Occams Barber]

In other words, science doesn't exist. It just simply observes water on a stove and records that it boiled at 100 degrees Celsius. Bravo for science

If you boiled water on a stove you would find that it rarely boiled at 100 deg C. In fact its boiling point would vary from place to place. This would leave you curious. After boiling a lot of water in a lot of places you might construct a hypothesis that boiling temperature had some connection with elevation above sea level. You then might test this and find that there is a correlation between elevation and boiling temperature. This leaves you wondering why and it occurs to you that air pressure might be a factor so you run more experiments to find the relationship between air pressure and boiling point... and so, on it goes.. - that is science.

OB

 

[AV1611VET]

Quit wasting our collective time on this.

You mean quit casting pearls?

 

[Speedwell]

I want a well-evidenced discussion to support the claim that Jesus was a 6 day creationist (per what was claimed in this thread).

If you're not up to the task, so be it. Quit wasting our collective time on this.

It's a slam-dunk argument; I'm surprised you didn't know it already.
1. Jesus quotes Genesis.
2. He wouldn't quote Genesis unless He agreed with my interpretation of it.
3. Therefore, he agrees with my interpretation of it.
QED.

 

[AV1611VET]

I generally ignore most of your threads, because much like this current discussion, they tend to be a waste of time.

If you read the Bible verse, there was no time wasted.

Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

 

[pitabread]

You mean quit casting pearls?

You think too highly of yourself.

At any rate, I'm putting you back on ignore, because it's clear you're just trolling here.

 

[pitabread]

It's a slam-dunk argument; I'm surprised you didn't know it already.
1. Jesus quotes Genesis.
2. He wouldn't quote Genesis unless He agreed with my interpretation of it.
3. Therefore, he agrees with my interpretation of it.
QED.

Given how many creationists seem think they are Jesus, it wouldn't surprise me if this was the thought process.

 

[AV1611VET]

1. Jesus quotes Genesis.

Why wouldn't He?

After all, He wrote it.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

I want a well-evidenced discussion to support the claim that Jesus was a 6 day creationist (per what was claimed in this thread).

It is purely speculative, but interesting question. We know that he fully appreciated analogy, metaphor and story telling as a means of teaching spiritual truths. And yet he was also a man of his time acknowledging is own limitations of knowledge. Matthew 24:36 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

It was obviously not very important to him or he would have made a point to emphasize it, which he did not.

 

[AV1611VET]

It is purely speculative, but interesting question. We know that he fully appreciated analogy, metaphor and story telling as a means of teaching spiritual truths.

You mean the parables He taught?

Those were things He witnessed in real life.

Jesus didn't just sit around and make up stories.

 

[pitabread]

It was obviously not very important to him or he would have made a point to emphasize it, which he did not.

And therein lies the rub. If there was a Bible passage quoting Jesus telling people that Genesis 1 was meant to be followed literally, that would be one thing. But there is clearly no such passage. So I find it odd that anyone would try to make such a claim.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

Isn't it weird that this turmoil of nature somehow resulted in this beautiful thing called earth where there are things called humans, and these humans immerse themselves in deep thoughts and discussions about the nature of their existence. Human beings that are obsessed with morality, and ethics, and justice, and judgment.

This is basically the survivor bias fallacy and/or the anthropic principle. If the conditions didn't exist such that we could evolve and survive then we wouldn't be here to "immerse [ourselves] in deep thoughts and discussions about the nature of [our] existence" since we wouldn't, ya know, exist. That those conditions do exist and we are here, it should be no surprise at all that that's the way things worked out.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

You mean the parables He taught?

Those were things He witnessed in real life.

Jesus didn't just sit around and make up stories.

Realy?

Mark 11: 23“Truly I tell you that if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ and has no doubt in his heart but believes that it will happen, it will be done for him."

 

[lifepsyop]

This is basically the survivor bias fallacy and/or the anthropic principle. If the conditions didn't exist such that we could evolve and survive then we wouldn't be here to "immerse [ourselves] in deep thoughts and discussions about the nature of [our] existence" since we wouldn't, ya know, exist. That those conditions do exist and we are here, it should be no surprise at all that that's the way things worked out.

Yes, the anthropic principle is an absurd philosophical "Hail Mary" to try and escape the evidence of special creation as seen in the uniqueness of earth and human consciousness.

It's quite a testimony to our willingness to hide in the darkness, that we would just latch onto such a silly invention as the anthropic principle, to avoid what is so clear and obvious... that we are profoundly special creatures, imbued with spiritual meaning and access to a truth beyond what we see in the material world we've been planted in.

We are constantly grappling with this spirit of truth in our expressions of morality and justice and love. Even as we deny our Creator, we continue to surround ourselves with stories and narratives that reflect this truth of law and justice and righteousness over evil. Even most atheists are convinced they are waging a battle of the righteous light of "science" and "reason" versus the dark powers of superstition and ignorance.

 

[AV1611VET]

Realy?

Mark 11: 23“Truly I tell you that if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ and has no doubt in his heart but believes that it will happen, it will be done for him."

That's not a parable.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

That's not a parable.

What I said was, "We know that he fully appreciated analogy, metaphor and story telling as a means of teaching spiritual truths."

 

[driewerf]

n.m.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

Yes, the anthropic principle is an absurd philosophical "Hail Mary" to try and escape the evidence of special creation as seen in the uniqueness of earth and human consciousness.

lol, okay. You wave your hands and I just wave back.

 

[AV1611VET]

What I said was, "We know that he fully appreciated analogy, metaphor and story telling as a means of teaching spiritual truths."

As Paul put it so well ...

1 Timothy 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

Notice that Paul says four things about evolution:

1. It is a fable.
2. It involves endless genealogies.
3. It engenders questions.
4. It stifles Godly edification.

In addition, evolution is a lie of the devil and a form of nature worship.

Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Creationism is based on proven fact, evolution is a false religion based on ignorance. Evolutionists push the lie that everything came from nothing, and nothing is dumber than that idea.

Wow! You are 100% wrong. In your post change "Creationism" to "Evolution" and "evolution to creation" if you want to be correct.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You mean the parables He taught?

Those were things He witnessed in real life.

Jesus didn't just sit around and make up stories.

People that understand the Bible do not think so.