[MOVED] Denying God's Creation because we prefer the darkness

[AV1611VET]

People that understand the Bible do not think so.

Do they understand that this parable ...

Numbers 23:7 And he took up his parable, and said, Balak the king of Moab hath brought me from Aram, out of the mountains of the east, saying, Come, curse me Jacob, and come, defy Israel.

... took place in Numbers 22:6?

 

[loveofourlord]

Creationism is based on proven fact, evolution is a false religion based on ignorance. Evolutionists push the lie that everything came from nothing, and nothing is dumber than that idea.

that has nothing to do with evolution, creationists do themselves no help by lying and missrepersenting evolution. How do you expect to convince me evolution is wrong, if you don't even know what it is?

Evolution is after the universe and life has started, god could have created the univers and started life and evolution still be true. I accept evolution because everything I know about it shows it's real, and creationists have nothing to prove it's wrong.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Do they understand that this parable ...

Numbers 23:7 And he took up his parable, and said, Balak the king of Moab hath brought me from Aram, out of the mountains of the east, saying, Come, curse me Jacob, and come, defy Israel.

... took place in Numbers 22:6?

You should not use outdated translations that you do not understand. You are guilty of a equivocation fallacy where the same word, at least in the KJV was used that has two different definitions. When you are confused check other translations. This one makes our error clear:

Bible Gateway passage: Numbers 23 - New International Version.

 

[Dan1988]

So did you.

My question was,
"Are you saying that a person who accepts the theory of evolution cannot be a Christian?"
Your answer was,
"Absolutely."

A Christian believes what God has said, so how can a believer be an unbeliever at the same time. He may be a Christian who is struggling with his faith, I'm not his judge but I can point out his error.

 

[Dan1988]

that has nothing to do with evolution, creationists do themselves no help by lying and missrepersenting evolution. How do you expect to convince me evolution is wrong, if you don't even know what it is?

Evolution is after the universe and life has started, god could have created the univers and started life and evolution still be true. I accept evolution because everything I know about it shows it's real, and creationists have nothing to prove it's wrong.

The problem with the theory of evolution is the lack of any evidence. Of the billions of fossils found, we have never found a single fossil of a species in transition from one species to another.

So there is absolutely no evidence to support the theory.

 

[AV1611VET]

You should not use outdated translations that you do not understand. You are guilty of a equivocation fallacy where the same word, at least in the KJV was used that has two different definitions. When you are confused check other translations. This one makes our error clear:

Bible Gateway passage: Numbers 23 - New International Version.

Just remember that the next time you see a well-educated person harping on Genesis 2 being another account of the creation.

Your NIV clears that up nicely ...

Genesis 2:19a Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky.

 

[AV1611VET]

I accept evolution because everything I know about it shows it's real, and creationists have nothing to prove it's wrong.

Do you accept cosmic evolution as well?

 

[Occams Barber]

The problem with the theory of evolution is the lack of any evidence. Of the billions of fossils found, we have never found a single fossil of a species in transition from one species to another.

So there is absolutely no evidence to support the theory.

The link below is a simple explanation of transitional fossils with a couple of examples. It’s produced by the University of California at Berkeley.
Transitional forms

This is a list of several hundred transitional fossils with links to original material.
List of transitional fossils - Wikipedia

This is a link to Biologos – a respected scientific organisation run by practising Christians. They accept the Theory of Evolution and the concept of transitional fossils.
BioLogos - God's Word. God's World.

I await your rebuttal with considerable interest.
OB

 

[pitabread]

The problem with the theory of evolution is the lack of any evidence. Of the billions of fossils found, we have never found a single fossil of a species in transition from one species to another.

So there is absolutely no evidence to support the theory.

You might wish to take advantage of some of the educational resources in this thread: Educational resources for learning about biology and evolution

You can learn what the real scientific theory of evolution is and how it's well supported by evidence. If you're not afraid to learn.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

As Paul put it so well ...

1 Timothy 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

Notice that Paul says four things about evolution:

1. It is a fable.
2. It involves endless genealogies.
3. It engenders questions.
4. It stifles Godly edification.

In addition, evolution is a lie of the devil and a form of nature worship.

Paul talking about evolution? Why would you think that. He probabaly had no idea of the concept.

Nature worship? I would say just the opposite. It objectifies nature.

 

[AV1611VET]

Paul talking about evolution?

Prescience evolution.

Why would you think that.

Because Paul was speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

He probabaly had no idea of the concept.

He didn't need to.

His job, as God's secretary, was to write.

Did Job know about the Internet?

Job 38:35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are?

 

[pitabread]

Paul talking about evolution? Why would you think that. He probabaly had no idea of the concept.

Just another example of the Bible not saying the things creationists claim it says. :/

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Prescience evolution.Because Paul was speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.He didn't need to.

His job, as God's secretary, was to write.

Did Job know about the Internet?

Job 38:35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are?

Next you will be telling us the Earth is flat.

 

[AV1611VET]

Next you will be telling us the Earth is flat.

You heard that too?

Some people here indeed interpret the Bible that way.

(Don't they, Sub?)

In fact, they're so adamant that the Bible says that; they think I should interpret It that way too.

 

[Speedwell]

A Christian believes what God has said, so how can a believer be an unbeliever at the same time. He may be a Christian who is struggling with his faith, I'm not his judge but I can point out his error.

A Christian believes what God has said, but he need not believe what you say God has said.

 

[Subduction Zone]

A Christian believes what God has said, so how can a believer be an unbeliever at the same time. He may be a Christian who is struggling with his faith, I'm not his judge but I can point out his error.

Not all Christians believe that Genesis is "what God said". In fact no Christian really should. Many say that Genesis was written by Moses. Modern scholars disagree.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You heard that too?

Some people here indeed interpret the Bible that way.

(Don't they, Sub?)

In fact, they're so adamant that the Bible says that; they think I should interpret It that way too.

Yes, and you cannot answer the question of "How do we know that the Earth is not flat?" Especially since the Bible claims that in word and deed.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Just remember that the next time you see a well-educated person harping on Genesis 2 being another account of the creation.

Your NIV clears that up nicely ...

Genesis 2:19a Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky.

No, you are mistaken. That is not an equivocation fallacy. They are not using words with more than one definition and using the definition that applies to one and applying it to the other. They are clearly two accounts. That is a problem for those that take the Bible literally. By the way, quote mining is an improper way to debate and it is usually a means of telling a falsehood. It is especially egregious when a Christian does that with what is supposed to be his holy book.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, and you cannot answer the question of "How do we know that the Earth is not flat?" Especially since the Bible claims that in word and deed.

I didn't know you were a literalist.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, you are mistaken. That is not an equivocation fallacy. They are not using words with more than one definition and using the definition that applies to one and applying it to the other. They are clearly two accounts. That is a problem for those that take the Bible literally. By the way, quote mining is an improper way to debate and it is usually a means of telling a falsehood. It is especially egregious when a Christian does that with what is supposed to be his holy book.

In your opinion, is the homeowner a man, as the KJB says; or a woman, as your NIV says?

In your opinion.

Colossians 4:15 [KJB] Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house.

Colossians 4:15 [NIV] Give my greetings to the brothers and sisters at Laodicea, and to Nympha and the church in her house.