[MOVED]Are you lawless?

[Poster0]

You just cant tell a spiritual person to throw out the Lords commands because they wont, not ever. You cant tell them not to try either, because they will anyway, always. Preach grace. That seems most edifying.

 

[Poster0]

Paul says that in the a day will come when people will no longer endure sound doctrine but will heap teachers to themselves who will tell them what their itching ears want to hear, and so its necessary to preach the commands of Christ even when people dont want to hear it.

Who's ears itch to hear that they must humble themselves? Or forgive their enemy? Or any other command that the Lord and apostles teach us? Sure by the spirit we do delight in those commands however the flesh doesn't want to obey them, it wants to take the wide and easy road, without any effort or constraint. Do you think Paul was saying that peoples ears will itch to hear that they should be content with food and clothing and not desire riches? Or that they must learn to endure suffering and forgive their enemies? Nope.






2 Timothy 2:22 Flee the evil desires of youth and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”

3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.


2 Timothy 4 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2 Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

 

[Wordkeeper]

Seriously, i am thankful for your debate. Searching those scriptures and meditating on them has actually boosted the strength of Gods grace in my mind and soul, however it has also boosted my ability to obey the Lords commands without fear. I feel very blessed today. Amen! Praise the Lord.

Bottom line, you cannot avoid the condemnation of Scripture that states those using human effort are children of the slave woman, Hagar.

 

[Shimshon]

Bottom line, you cannot avoid the condemnation of Scripture that states those using human effort are children of the slave woman, Hagar.

Another bottom line is you can't use that 'analogy' to completely condemn the existence of the physical children of Abraham. You have misunderstood what Paul was teaching about. You all keep stating 'Paul said this... Paul says that'....What did Yeshua say? Where did he openly, or secretively state he came to do away with the nation of Yisrael all together? Where is the 'good news' that we as a nation were no longer because we put faith in him? I'm not looking for the 'squint and you will see it' verse. I'm talking about the bulk of his message. His teachings to the Jews who were his students. Where did any apostle teach that the Messiah told them, nay commanded them to toss away the Torah that Moses gave them because it was no longer going to be applied to them? What is done here is the misunderstanding of the calling to repent. Gentiles were never given the law through Moses so as to repent of NOT following it. The message is about faith in the Jewish Messiah. Not about Jews forsaking the Torah to become one with our Messiah. I'd like to see your savior come and tell you he came to save you by condemning you for who he formerly made you. That message is crazy.

 

[Wordkeeper]

Another bottom line is you can't use that 'analogy' to completely condemn the existence of the physical children of Abraham. You have misunderstood what Paul was teaching about. You all keep stating 'Paul said this... Paul says that'....What did Yeshua say? Where did he openly, or secretively state he came to do away with the nation of Yisrael all together? Where is the 'good news' that we as a nation were no longer because we put faith in him? I'm not looking for the 'squint and you will see it' verse. I'm talking about the bulk of his message. His teachings to the Jews who were his students. Where did any apostle teach that the Messiah told them, nay commanded them to toss away the Torah that Moses gave them because it was no longer going to be applied to them? What is done here is the misunderstanding of the calling to repent. Gentiles were never given the law through Moses so as to repent of NOT following it. The message is about faith in the Jewish Messiah. Not about Jews forsaking the Torah to become one with our Messiah. I'd like to see your savior come and tell you he came to save you by condemning you for who he formerly made you. That message is crazy.

Jeremiah 7:For I did not speak to your fathers, or command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices. 23“But this is what I commanded them, saying, ‘Obey My voice, and I will be your God, and you will be My people; and you will walk in all the way which I command you, that it may be well with you.’ 24“Yet they did not obey or incline their ear, but walked in their own counsels and in the stubbornness of their evil heart, and went backward and not forward.


God did not make Israel a Torah nation, a nation with a prenuptial contract, a contract that was like a business deal. Those who came out of Egypt demanded the contract that made Israel a Torah observing nation. God wanted a spontaneous, loving and honest relationship with Israel, just as those travelling the journey of discovery in a marriage find more and more to appreciate and cherish in their respective partners. Fearful and stubborn Israel insisted on a legal document, laying out terms and conditions in advance, to protect herself. God was sad that she demanded legal protection, but He allowed it, because that which Israel intended for evil, He intended for good. He made the contract into an instrument of revelation, and gave Israel the role of oracle bearer. Is it God's fault if Israel was unfaithful, even in that role?


The Gospel, proclaimed in the Torah, was that God would provide the Lamb, as prophesied by Abraham, under the power of the Holy Spirit.


It was at the Cross that the promise to Abraham was fulfilled, that the world would be blessed, that mankind would be rescued from his body of death, through the giving of the Holy Spirit.


Now, now, what the giving of the law could not do, the giving of the Holy Spirit did, made men have the ability to put to death the deeds of the body.

 

[Shimshon]

What did Yeshua say? Where did he openly, or secretively state he came to do away with the nation of Yisrael all together? Where is the 'good news' that we as a nation were no longer because we put faith in him? I'm not looking for the 'squint and you will see it' verse. I'm talking about the bulk of his message. His teachings to the Jews who were his students. Where did any apostle teach that the Messiah told them, nay commanded them to toss away the Torah that Moses gave them because it was no longer going to be applied to them?

Sadly, as usual I see the inability to address or answer the questions.

The Gospel, proclaimed in the Torah, was that God would provide the Lamb, as prophesied by Abraham, under the power of the Holy Spirit.


It was at the Cross that the promise to Abraham was fulfilled, that the world would be blessed, that mankind would be rescued from his body of death, through the giving of the Holy Spirit.

And the coming of the lamb condemns the physical children of Abraham? This is the reformed message. Physical born Jews are unable to address God at all, being cursed because we are physical in nature? Fact remains, this theology is dead set against the physical seed of Abraham. THAT should cause you pause if you pay any attention to the Spirit.

 

[Wordkeeper]

Sadly, as usual I see the inability to address or answer the questions.


And the coming of the lamb condemns the physical children of Abraham? This is the reformed message. Physical born Jews are unable to address God at all, being cursed because we are physical in nature? Fact remains, this theology is dead set against the physical seed of Abraham. THAT should cause you pause if you pay any attention to the Spirit.

The counterpoint to the Cross, the sacrifice of the Lamb whose blood can really take away sin, which released the Spirit, is not physical Israel, but Torah keeping, the foreshadow, the blood of bulls and goats that can never take away sin.

Besides Abraham's physical seeds are Torah observers, even converts to Torah keeping, without blood links to Abraham.

 

[Shimshon]

What did Yeshua say? Where did he openly, or secretively state he came to do away with the nation of Yisrael all together? Where is the 'good news' that we as a nation were no longer because we put faith in him? I'm not looking for the 'squint and you will see it' verse. I'm talking about the bulk of his message. His teachings to the Jews who were his students. Where did any Jewish apostle teach that the Messiah told them, nay commanded them to toss away the Torah that Moses gave them because it was no longer going to be applied to them?

Sadly, as usual I see the inability to address or answer the questions.

 

[Poster0]

Bottom line, you cannot avoid the condemnation of Scripture that states those using human effort are children of the slave woman, Hagar.

Yes i can avoid it because im under grace.

 

[Wordkeeper]

Yes i can avoid it because im under grace.

Then don't put yourself under law again, where sin will again be your master and oppress you.


Romans 14For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.


You mentioned you get depressed when you can't conquer sin. See, that is sin oppressing you.


When you take yourself out of law into grace, then you will receive rest.

 

[Poster0]

Then don't put yourself under law again, where sin will again be your master and oppress you.


Romans 14For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.


You mentioned you get depressed when you can't conquer sin. See, that is sin oppressing you.


When you take yourself out of law into grace, then you will receive rest.

A person who becomes contrite over their sin sounds like a person who is under grace, not law. A person under law is trying to earn salvation, but a person under grace is looking for mercy. Do you think that the woman who cleaned Jesus feet with her own tears was under the law, or grace? Please tell me, and please dont ignore all my questions as you do, and then accuse me of being under the law. It doesnt work that way. If you know so much then answer my questions.

I get depressed over many things but that's not to say i don't find rest in it through Christ. I find strength by waiting on the Lords strength. I wait, endure patiently and in time i am strengthened. Sometimes the commands of Christ actually help me get out of it too. For example, He says to take no thought for tomorrow, and I find that obeying that command helps me to overcome some things that trigger depression. That doesn't sound like a person under the law but under grace, and under Christ. In my opinion.

What do i do when with all those commands of Christ and his apostles? DO i just simply ignore them?

 

[Wordkeeper]

A person who becomes contrite over their sin sounds like a person who is under grace, not law. A person under law is trying to earn salvation, but a person under grace is looking for mercy. Do you think that the woman who cleaned Jesus feet with her own tears was under the law, or grace? Please tell me, and please dont ignore all my questions as you do, and then excuse me of being under the law. It doesnt work that way. If you know so much then answer my questions.

I get depressed over many things but that's not to say i don't find rest in it through Christ. Sometimes the commands of Christ actually help me get out of it too. For example, He says to take no thought for tomorrow, and I find that obeying that command helps me to overcome some things that trigger depression. That doesn't sound like a person under the law but under grace, and under Christ. In my opinion.

What do i do when with all those commands of Christ and his apostles? DO i just simply ignore them?

1 John 1:8If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

 

[Shimshon]

That doesn't sound like a person under the law but under grace, and under Christ. In my opinion.

Doing Good to All
Galatians 6
1 Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted.

2 Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.​

Gotta love Galatians ay?

 

[Wordkeeper]

James 5:16Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.

John 13:14If I, then, the Lord and the Teacher, washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet.

 

[Poster0]

1 John 1:8If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

See. You know nothing. You spam scripture but know nothing. Why should i listen to your advice if you don't know anything? Do you think i don't already know that scripture? Do you think i don't celebrate it with joy? Please answer my questions if you know so much.

 

[Poster0]

You have accused me of putting myself under the law but you cant seem to prove your assertion. YOu cant answer any serious questions that i ask. Why should i listen to you? Give me one good reason.

 

[Poster0]

What do i do with the commands of Christ? Do i just ignore them? What if i am a thief who likes to steal things. Should i listen to Paul's command and stop stealing? Please tell me. Its a simple question.

 

[Wordkeeper]

How cdoes a person overcome sin? Lets say i like to steal things. Should i obey Pauls command that tels me not steal? Or shoul


See. You know nothing. You spam scripture but know nothing. Why should i listen to your advice if you don't know anything? Do you think i don't already know that scripture? Do you think i don't celebrate it with joy? Please answer my questions if you know so much.

When does a person ask for his body to be washed? When he is not a believer. The Ethiopian asked for baptism. When Peter asked for a body wash, Jesus said he was already baptised.

When does a person ask for a foot wash? When God convicts him of sin. Big sins in the beginning, small , subtle hidden sins later on. Please get a prayer partner. The text teaches this practice.

Don't use human effort to put to death the desires of the body. You will fail, and not have peace.

Put them to death by the Spirit.

Galatians 3:3Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

 

[Poster0]

I know Christians who steal. I really do, its no lie. What should they do? Should they put themselves under Pauls command and stop stealing? Or is that wrong? Is that putting themselves under law instead of grace?

Please, its a simple question, Please tell me.

 

[Poster0]

When does a person ask for his body to be washed? When he is not a believer. The Ethiopian asked for baptism. When Peter asked for a body wash, Jesus said he was already baptised.

When does a person ask for a foot wash? When God convicts him of sin. Big sins in the beginning, small , subtle hidden sins later on. Please get a prayer partner. The text teaches this practice.

Dont tell me to get a prayer partner. Answer my questions. Lets see what the answers are.