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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by WailingWall, Jun 24, 2017.

  1. SeventyOne

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    Just so you are aware, I've been seeing the same thing in you over and over again as well. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

    Another prime example...

     
  2. jerry kelso

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    keras,

    1. I noticed you didn't say the things I was talking about that you accuse me of. Instead, you speak in generalizations and tell me how bad it is of accusing you of lying.
    You kept saying over and over that I believed salvation had to do with race and ethnicity when you know I never did say that. So quit trying to act like you didn't.
    Your whole accusation spill was in general and not to the specific points I laid out and that is being deceptive.
    If you can't understand that you need to pay closer attention or not post at all because it is not fair at all.

    2. Revelation 12:17 is what you think is the church and that is your opinion but where is your proof?
    Revelation 12:14 doesn't prove the sun clothed woman is Israel.
    Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7 doesn't either.
    You need better evidence than this. There are Old and New and tribulation saints, but it doesn't prove they were all the church.
    Can you explain Revelation 12 all the way through?

    3. I never said that all of Israel is rejoined now.
    In the tribulation, Revelation 7:4-8 there are:
    1. Judah
    2. Reuben
    3. Gad
    4. Aser
    5. Nephtalim
    6. Manassas
    7. Simeon
    8. Levi
    9. Issachar
    10. Zabulon
    11. Joseph
    12. Benjamin
    Twelve not two and there 144,000 out of them that were saved and set apart for a specific mission and were the firstfruits. Revelation 14:1-5 raptured to Heaven.

    4. I didn't say Ezekiel 37 was fulfilled today. I said at the end of the time of Jacob's trouble.
    David will be King over Israel which can only be prophetic not back in his original days on earth. Use common sense.

    5. Matthew 5:5; Jesus said, Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth because they were supposed to be meek under Moses's law and they were not.
    Under Moses law they had 630 laws they had to keep perfectly among other statutes and commandments to be blessed, otherwise they would be cursed. They were to be peacemakers but instead they had 28 insurrections against the Roman government. The Sermon on the Mount was all about Jews needing repentance so they could be blessed and make entrance into the KoH reign.
    So the extreme bias, worthless opinions, and great ignorance lies in the fact you misunderstand what I say and thus make false accusations against me. Please quit. Jerry kelso
     
  3. BABerean2

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    Rev 12:11  And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 


    Heb 12:23  To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 
    Heb 12:24  And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. 


    A person cannot be under the Blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the Church.

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  4. jerry kelso

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    oseas,

    1 what does Jesus not knowing that his prophecy would be fulfilled in 70 A.D. got to do with the price of eggs in China?

    2. Yes they were cursed by the law because they rejected Jesus as Messiah.

    3. 1948 came because bring Israel back into the prophetic picture and the Kingdom covenants to eventually come to pass.

    4. Jewish antichrist is a view but is debatable.
    Jeremiah 8:3-7; doesn't pinpoint the Antichrist coming from this family.
    The Antichrist will be possessed of Satan and Satan will give his seat, power and authority to him Revelation 13:2.

    5. Final and eternal punishment of Israel in 2 Thessalonians 2:6-9-12? This doesn't pinpoint Israel.

    6. Jeremiah 8:3 and a prototype. That is just drawing your own conclusion out of two different accounts that anybody can make but it is not conclusive evidence.

    7. What is your main point. There is no eternal punishment for Israel in the plan of God except the Jewish rebels Zechariah 13:8-9.
    Jerry kelso
     
  5. jerry kelso

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    The question is that the period of tribulation will begin through Israel, with the manifestation of the false messiah of the Jews not so far from these days. The Jews are waiting the manifestation of their messiah, not JESUS, then there will be two BEASTS reigning in the Earth, one in the Vatican city and another in the great city of Jerusalem, whose city is "spirituallly called Sodom and Egypt, where our Lord was crucified" Rev.11:v.8. Both BEASTS will make a treat to build a religious and Universal Empire (Judaism and Catholicism), as was revealed to Daniel (Dan.2:41-43), whose Empire is figured in the feet and 10 toes of the great image (symbol of the 10 tribes of Israel). Who will reign the first 42 months will be the BEAST of Vatican city (Rev.13:4-5), which received power of the false messiah, who has two horns like a lamb and speaks as a dragon (Rev.13:11-12). These things will fulfil itself LITERALLY in this beginning of the first century of the seventh and last millennium, or last Day, that is the Millennium of Christ, the Millennium of Truth, and the Millennium of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ, and the Millennium of Vengeance, the Last millennium.
    On the other hand, about the house of Israel and Judah, what the Word of God reveals of those two houses is the follow:

    1Kings 12:16-19CJB
    16 When all Isra’el saw that the king wasn’t listening to them, the people answered the king,

    “Do we have any share in David?
    We have no heritage in the son of Yishai!

    Go to your tents, Isra’el!
    Care for your own house, David!”
    So Isra’el left for their tents.
    17 But as for the people of Isra’el living in the cities of Y’hudah, Rechav‘am ruled over them.
    18 King Rechav‘am then sent Adoram, who was in charge of forced labor; but all Isra’el stoned him to death. King Rechav‘am managed to mount his chariot and flee to Yerushalayim.
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    Isra’el has been in rebellion against the dynasty of David to this day. (This explains why they refused JESUS. The lineage of JESUS is of the house of David or dynasty of David.)

    2Kings 14: 26-27CJB

    26 For Adonai saw how bitterly Isra’el had suffered, with no one left, either slave or free, and no one coming to Isra’el’s aid. 27 Adonai did not threaten to blot out the name of Isra’el from under heaven, but saved them through Yarov‘am the son of Yo’ash.

    2Kings 17:18-23CJB
    13 Adonai had warned Isra’el and Y’hudah in advance through every prophet and seer, “
    Turn from your evil ways; and obey my mitzvot and regulations, in accordance with the entire Torah which I ordered your ancestors to keep and which I sent to you through my servants the prophets.” 14 Nevertheless, they refused to listen but made themselves as stubborn as their ancestors, who did not put their trust in Adonai their God. 15 Thus they rejected his laws; his covenant, which he had made with their ancestors; and the solemn warnings he had given them. Instead they pursued worthless things and became worthless themselves, imitating the nations around them, whom Adonai had ordered them not to emulate. 16 They abandoned all the mitzvot of Adonai their God. They made cast metal images for themselves, two calves. They made an asherah. They worshipped the whole army of heaven. They served Ba‘al. 17 They had their sons and daughters pass through fire [as a sacrifice]. They used divination and magic spells. And they gave themselves over to do what was evil from Adonai’s perspective, thereby provoking him; 18 so that Adonai, by now very angry with Isra’el, removed them from his sight. None was left except the tribe of Y’hudah alone. 19 (However, neither did Y’hudah obey the mitzvot of Adonai their God; rather they lived according to the customs of Isra’el.)
    20 Yes, Adonai came to despise all the descendants of Isra’el. He caused them trouble and handed them over to plunderers, until finally he threw them out of his sight. 21 He tore Isra’el away from the house of David. They made Yarov‘am the son of N’vat king; and Yarov‘am drew Isra’el away from following Adonai and made them commit a great sin. 22 The people of Isra’el followed the example of all the sins that Yarov‘am had committed and did not turn away from them, 23 until Adonai removed Isra’el out of his sight, as he had said he would through all his servants the prophets. Thus Isra’el was carried away captive from their own land and it remains so to this day.
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    1. The Jews are looking for a Messiah, a conquerer just like first time and that will backfire on them.
    There will be a false gathering and the temple sacrifices will cease at AOD in the middle of the tribulation by the Antichrist 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and Revelation 11:1-2.

    2. The Jews won't recognize Jesus until he comes out Heaven with his saints and comes down to earth to save Israel Revelation 19:11:15; Revelation 1:7.

    3. There will be two beasts; a false prophet to head the religious system up.
    The other beast is the Antichrist who will pluck up 3 of the 10 horns and because the 10 horns hate the whore they will have antichrist help get rid of the first religious system.
    There are good arguments on both sides of mystery and literal Babylon of Revelation 17&18 and whether Rome or actual Babylon or Jerusalem.

    4. Daniel 2:41-43; this can't be Israel when it was part of Rome the Fourth kingdom. Where is the symbol of ten tribes. Need more information. Sounds like Christ conjecture and opinion.

    5. Revelation 13:4-5 is not till the middle of the tribulation.
    The whore of Revelation 17 will be reigning over the Kings of the earth and the 10 horns who the Antichrist will come up among the 10 horns will hate her and got rid of her.

    6. The Antichrist and the false prophet are not in power and action till the middle of the tribulation.

    7. The Old Testament talks about the desolations of Judah and Israel but God said he would always not make an end of them and he would revive them when the generation of Jews would Repent and that generation will be the one to take their rightful place in the KoH reign at the head of the nations. Jerry kelso
     
  6. jerry kelso

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    baberean 2,

    1. The church age and the kingdom age are two different times and programs.

    2. Being a part of the church and being saved by the NC has no bearing on God giving positions of authorities in the kingdom.
    God said in Ezekiel 36:22 that all the Jewish regathering from among the heathen and bringing them back into their land and forgiving their sins by sprinkling clean water on them and giving them a new heart and a new spirit all the way to Ezekiel 37 and David being their king etc. is not because Israel deserves it for they profaned God's name. He said he would do it for his holy name's sake. This is because his name has s on the dotted line as his promise and so the heathen would know he is Lord and that he would sanctify Israel for the heathen to see. Believe the truth for a change. Jerry kelso
     
  7. BABerean2

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    Above you told Keras that it has nothing to do with ethnicity and now you say it does.

    Make up your mind.

    This is the type of double-talk that is necessary to make Dispensational Theology work.



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  8. jgr

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    What Jerry espouses is essentially a dispensational variant of universalism, wherein God replaces and supersedes His timeless covenant criteria of faith and obedience, with unconditional salvation for all of a select ethnic subset of humanity.

    Note that according to the dispensational interpretation of Zechariah 12:10, this would include Judas and all of the Jews responsible for Christ's death ("...they shall look upon me whom they have pierced...").
     
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  9. keras

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    The proof is in the verse:...those who keep God's Commandments and witness to Jesus.

    It is plain to most Bible studiers that Revelation 12:1-5 refers to ancient Israel and the first Advent of Jesus. He is destined to rule the nations after His second Advent, but for this 2000 year Church age, He is physically in heaven and Spiritually with us on earth. Matthew 28:20
    Then: Revelation 12:6-17, is unfulfilled prophecy and we see how there will be two groups of Christians, one taken to safety during the 1260 days of the Great Tribulation; the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls.
    The other group: verse 17, must remain because they 'violated the Covenant', as we see in Daniel 11:32 and in Zechariah 14:2

    God's holy people, referred to in Revelation 13:7 & Daniel 7:25, are in the holy Land, as described, and there is only one people of God. John 10:16, Ephesians 4:4-6, Titus 2:11-14, + His chosen ones, the faithful Christians. 1 Peter 2:9-10
     
  10. keras

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    So you would be quite happy to be called a liar?
    This is a Christian Forum, those who accuse other members in that manner, should be banned.
    JK has in no way proved his case and he uses denigration and put down tactics to hide his lack of Biblical support for a rapture to heaven and a Jewish redemption.
     
  11. jerry kelso

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    baberean2,

    1. I said salvation has nothing to do with ethnicity.
    Do you understand that? And do you understand that is not double talk.

    2. The position of authority in the KoH at the head of the nations is chosen by God and for his glory and a witness to the heathen that God would save Israel too despite the bad witness they were.

    3. When I say ethnicity is not about salvation and the kingdom is by God's choice that he picked the nation who happened to be Physical Jews.

    4. The church has many different ethnicities and we will have different positions of authority in the kingdom.
    Our possessions will be by faithfulness of stewardship.
    Having rulership is because Christ has chosen believers to rule and reign.

    5. Israel has had training and has experience for things concerning administrating the feasts and civil laws etc., the church doesn't. This doesn't mean going back to the Old Covenant but certain things will come from the Old Covenant and other things of the New Covenant for the Kingdom.
    So ethnicity just happens to be there but God's reason is because he promised and that excludes ethnicity from being the he reason itself.
    God is not a respector of persons in salvation or what choice he makes.
    If it wasn't for God, the nation of Israel or the church would never have been saved and that is why at the cross we were able to be perfected together Hebrews 11:40.
    Positions of authority in the Kingdom is because of God choosing. He chose the nation of Israel to be at the head of the nations because he promised it to them through the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants for them.
    God chose the church age saints to rule and reign throughout all the earth and the universe.
    Surely you should be able to understand this post. Jerry kelso
     
  12. jerry kelso

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    keras,

    1. You haven't responded to what I said specifically that you kept accusing me saying that I didn't.

    2. I posted you the Twelve tribes of Israel in Revelation 7:9. I have not seen you say why they are the church or the sunclothed woman is the church.

    3. Revelation 4:1; 11:18; and 19:7-10 shows the church will be in church and I have told you why in other posts. Prove those scriptures wrong.
    1 Corinthians 15:51-53 the resurrection of the rapture which was a mystery to the Old Testament people. It goes along with 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17.
    The Old Testament people only knew the resurrection of the dead
    John 11:24, Hebrews 6:2.
    Revelation 20:4-6 which ends the First Resurrection is the resurrection of dead only which happen to be just those who didn't take the mark of the beast and were martyred.
    Address these scriptures and try to prove them wrong.

    4. Jewish redemption of the whole nation is connected to the KoH reign with their gifts and callings. It is because God chose them to be at the head of the nations and chose for Israel to be saved as a witness to the heathen that he will save them for his holy name's sakes Ezekiel 36:22:38; 37:16-28.
    God made eternal covenants with Israel Abrahamic concerning the land Genesis 12-15. The Davidic Covenant 2 Samuel 7:13-16 and said his mercy would never depart from David's house and throne like what was done with Saul. I Chronicles 28:1-8; Romans 11:25-29. Address these scriptures on these subjects. Try to show you know something about context instead of bits and pieces so you can give your own slant to it. Good luck. Jerry kelso
     
  13. keras

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    Read #589.
    The vast multitude of Rev 7:9, are all the faithful Christians, people from every race nation and language: in Jerusalem. Why can't you read plain Words?
    That whole chapter describes earthly scenes, Verses 15-17 is after the Millennium.
    I assume you meant 'in heaven'? Such a hurry to push your theories, you pile error onto error!

    Revelation 4:1... this is just Johns temporary visit to heaven.
    Revelation 11:18...Nothing about anyone going to heaven there.
    Revelation 19:7-10... We are not told where the Marriage Supper will take place.
    Using these scriptures in an attempt to prove a rapture, just shows how bereft of proof and how desperate are those who cling to that pretentious notion.
    Your writing is confused and jumbled. Try to use better English and grammar, so we don't have to decipher your posts.
    I agree with what Rev 20:4-6 plainly tells us.
    There is no blanket Jewish redemption. Only those who have freely chosen Jesus now will be saved.
    Isaiah 3:8-9, Isaiah 4:3-4, Isaiah 6:11-13, Zephaniah 1:18, Amos 2:4-5, Micah 2:3-5, Luke 19:27, plus many more prophesies that prove God's Judgement on Judah will destroy all unbelievers.
    You still fail to allow for the truth of the House of Israel, now the Christian peoples, are the recipients of God's promises and will receive His Blessings of the holy Land and later, of Eternal life.
     
  14. BABerean2

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    Do your words above agree with what Jesus said in the passage below?

    Mat 21:37  But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. 
    Mat 21:38  But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. 
    Mat 21:39  And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. 
    Mat 21:40  When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? 
    Mat 21:41  They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. 
    Mat 21:42  Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? 
    Mat 21:43  Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (Jesus told the Jewish leadership that the kingdom would be taken from them and it would be given to another nation bearing fruit, because they rejected the "chief cornerstone". Peter reveals below who is the nation that accepted the "chief cornerstone".)


    Do your words above agree with the words of Peter found below?

    1Pe 2:4  To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, 

    1Pe 2:5  Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. 

    1Pe 2:6  Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 

    1Pe 2:7  Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, 

    1Pe 2:8  And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. 

    1Pe 2:9  But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 

    1Pe 2:10  Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. 


    The words of those attempting to promote modern Dispensational Theology do not agree with what is plainly written in God's Word, and therefore must be rejected.


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  15. jerry kelso

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    baberean2,

    1. What's wrong? You couldn't rebut the scriptures I gave? Of course not!
    So you have to give another set to see if you can stump me. Lol!

    2. The Kingdom of God taken from the Jews is the spiritual aspect of salvation.
    Bearing the fruits thereof is propagating the gospel.
    Jesus didn't give the church the millennial kingdom gifts and callings of Israel.

    3. Jews rejected the chief cornerstone but they will accept him in the tribulation. Ezekiel 36;37 Romans 11:25-29 etc.

    4. The church and Israel both are a chosen priesthood and a peculiar people. Israel was to be those things before the church came along. This is talking about salvation.
    So what I said is in perfect harmony with your scriptures.
    Salvation doesn't hinge on ethnicity. Jerry kelso
     
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  16. BABerean2

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    Jesus Christ is Israel, based on the first verse in the New Testament.

    Mat 1:1  The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. 



    Christ is the head, instead of a group of people based on their DNA.

    1Ti 1:4  Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. 



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  17. keras

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    Scripture does not contradict other plain scriptural teachings.
    You have been stumped long ago, it is just your blindness and being locked into believing false theories, that forces you to discount the indisputable truth of Jesus being the Israel and His followers the Israelites of God.
    Jesus said what the fate of the apostate, atheistic, LGBT, and Jesus hating Jews will be: Luke 19:27
     
  18. jerry kelso

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    keras,

    1. I wrote down Revelation 7:9 about the twelve tribes when I meant 7:4-8 is Israel.
    Verse 9 is the great multitude of everybody are the tribulation saints.
    They are the martyred souls who go to Heaven where the Lamb is, vs. 9-10.
    John is still in Heaven talking to the elder and not on earth.

    2. Vs 15-17 is about God in the millennial kingdom not after the 1000 years Daniel 7:13-14, 21-22.
    The Antichrist will make war on the saints in the tribulation Revelation 13:7. This happens in the middle of the tribulation after the 7th trumpet days when Satan gives his power seat and authority to the Antichrist Revelation 13:2.
    The martyred multitude are probably the souls under the altar Revelation 6:9-11 because they are the first ones killed who are given white robes and are told to wait on their fellow brethren who had to be killed.
    The saints in 13:7 and 14:13 and 15:1-2 are the ones in the First Resurrection Revelation 20:4-6 and go into the millennial kingdom to rule and reign Revelation 20:4, not after the 1000 years Revelation 20:8-10 and the New Heaven and the New Earth which is after the millennial age and the GWTJ Revelation 20:11-15.

    3. Revelation 4:1; John's temporary visit?
    The significance is not the temporary vision of all Revelation but that a voice sounded like a trumpet and said, Come up Hither which shows going from earth to Heaven.
    And I will shew things hereafter.
    Revelation 1:19 is the time factor for for John to write the things which thou hast seen (the vision of the stars and candlesticks) v 20, the things which are (the church age) Revelation 2-3 and the things which shall be hereafter (after the church age). This is why the church has to be raptured before the tribulation.
    What kind of spin are you going to put on this?

    4. Revelation 11:18 is about the reward of the saints during the tribulation. It is written in the middle of the tribulation days which is during the 7th trumpet Revelation 11:15.
    Most likely it will be in Revelation 19:7-10 so the tribulation saints are all in Heaven and ready for the Marriage of the Lamb 19:7-10.
    Revelation 19:7 the Marriage of the Lamb is come and in verse 8 she is arrayed in linen white which is the righteousness of the saints. Blessed are those who are called to the Marriage of the Lamb.
    Verse 14 we are part of Christ that leaves Heaven and is part of the armies of Heaven and verse 17 is called the Great Supper of the Great God.
    The Marriage of the Lamb in Revelation 19 is plain as a nose on your face.

    5. Revelation 20:4-6 is plain; the martyred tribulation saints that didn't take the mark from the Antichrist the last 3.5 years in the time of Jacob's trouble are resurrected from the dead right before the 7 vials that contain the Wrath of God Revelation 15:1-2 which is judgement on the beast kingdom worshippers Revelation 16:2.
    There is a 1000 years between the First and Second Resurrection, v5. The Second Resurrection which is called the Second Death will have no power over them.
    The Second Death is what the GWTJ is all about vs 11-15.

    6. Blanket redemption is not about God says you are saved without repentance and the free choice of the individual.
    The Jews see Christ coming in the clouds and know he is the one whom they pierced Revelation 1:7.
    The Jews of that generation will be saved and have to be saved because the covenant of David was unconditionally eternal based on repentance. Get a clue! They will Repent because God will not go back on his eternal promise.

    7. All of Israel will be saved when God makes them a nation in one day Isaiah 66:6-9.
    The unbelievers will be cut off Zechariah 13:8-9.

    8. There is no scripture that says or implies the church or Gentiles is Israel or that they will be at the head of the nations or be the heir of the Holy land or that they are a part of Israel and Judah who are the two sticks that have to become one.
    The church is never trodden down like Israel and Judah. They are never backslidden as Israel and Judah. The church is never scattered because of sin.
    The church was never a part of Israel or Judah to begin with.
    When Israel and Judah become one stick they have a history with each other physically and spiritually.
    Your replacement theology is nowhere in the ballpark of being scriptural. Jerry kelso
     
  19. jerry kelso

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    You have nothing to say so you don't.
    I can assure you I fit none of the apostate etc. characters. But those who teach unscriptural things will be judged. Jerry kelso
     
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    baberean2,

    1. Face it berean all you want to do is argue and not believe the truth.

    2. Nobody said that Christ isn't the Head.
    It doesn't mean that he will not use nobody to rule and reign.
    The church will reign and rule; are you going to say we are not because Jesus is the head and the only one who is going to rule?
    Are you going to say because the church has more ethnic people than Israel they will not rule and reign?
    That is the most ridiculous logic in the world.
    Even if Jews and Gentiles were to share at the head of the nations there would still be ethnic people.
    God gives the positions of authority in the KoH reign and he chose Israel in Israel etc. for his holy names sake not because there is ethnicity of the Jews being greater than gentiles or vice verse.
    Quit being ridiculous. Jerry kelso
     
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