Masks can help you stop the virus

[Archivist]

She did not, and neither did the raccoon.


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Duh—you have to have the vaccine to keep from getting it. Rabies has not been eradicated but it has been stopped—if you get the vaccine you won’t get it.

 

[A_Thinker]

The raccoon who bit my neighbor a few years ago must not have gotten the word that rabies had been stopped.

The only virus on your list that has been eradicated is Smallpox.

All viruses are not the same.

RNA viruses, like COVID-19, mutate more rapidly and are therefore harder to deal with.

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As you said, ... viruses are different. And the Rabies virus just happens to be one which is passed easily from animals to humans. It is impossible to vaccinate all of the animals around us.

However, the shots that, likely, saved your neighbor's life were actually Rabies vaccine ... administered after exposure.

All of the other diseases I noted are able to be "stopped" with a vaccine. People who have had the necessary vaccines ... don't get these diseases.

Smallpox and polio are all but eliminated among people groups today ... and we're currently still working on Measles, Mumps, and Rubella. It's just a matter of getting the vaccine to the world's populations.

P.S. The Covid 19 virus has been observed to be "slow" to mutate ...

 

[A_Thinker]

How many people who get the seasonal flu vaccine still get the flu?

At least 50% LESS than those who don't get the flu shot ...

 

[BABerean2]

As you said, ... viruses are different. And the Rabies virus just happens to be one which is passed easily from animals to humans. It is impossible to vaccinate all of the animals around us.

However, the shots that, likely, saved your neighbor's life were actually Rabies vaccine ... administered after exposure.

All of the other diseases I noted are able to be "stopped" with a vaccine. People who have had the necessary vaccines ... don't get these diseases.

Smallpox and polio are all but eliminated among people groups today ... and we're currently still working on Measles, Mumps, and Rubella. It's just a matter of getting the vaccine to the world's populations.

P.S. The Covid 19 virus has been observed to be "slow" to mutate ...

Can you provide the source which says this RNA virus is "slow" to mutate?

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[Archivist]

At least 50% LESS than those who don't get the flu shot ...

I get a flu shot every year. To my knowledge I have never had the flu.

 

[BABerean2]

Anyone have any recommendations on where to get a good mask?

I will be out in the public a lot moving forward and would love some help.

Ebay:

US Full Face Respirator Mask Double Filter Air Breathing Chemical Gas Protection | eBay


This is what I use when spray painting.
It has an excellent seal.


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[A_Thinker]

Can you provide the source which says this RNA virus is "slow" to mutate?

From ... The coronavirus mutates more slowly than the flu — which means a vaccine will likely be effective long-term

"The new coronavirus, however, seems to mutate slowly, experts say. This means its vaccine would most likely be effective long-term, much like a measles vaccine."

From ... https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-sars-cov-mutating-slowly-good.html

"Viruses evolve over time, undergoing genetic changes, or mutations, in their quest to survive. Some viruses produce many variations, others only a few. Fortunately, SARS-CoV-2, the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19, is among the latter. This is good news for scientists trying to create an effective vaccine against it.

"The virus has had very few genetic changes since it emerged in late 2019," says Peter Thielen, a molecular biologist at the Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Laboratory and JHU Doctor of Engineering candidate, who, with colleagues from other areas of the Hopkins research community, has been sequencing the viral genome to better understand its makeup. "Designing vaccines and therapeutics for a single strain is much more straightforward than a virus that is changing quickly."

 

[Richard T]

And are we supposed to trust the liars found below?

At one time CBS newsman Walter Cronkite was considered to be "The most trusted man in America".
The man who started the meeting below, John Anderson, was once a candidate for president.
The lady at the end of the video almost became president of the U.S.

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This pretty much sums it up.
118:8-9 (KJV) 8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.
9 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes.

 

[BABerean2]

From ... The coronavirus mutates more slowly than the flu — which means a vaccine will likely be effective long-term

"The new coronavirus, however, seems to mutate slowly, experts say. This means its vaccine would most likely be effective long-term, much like a measles vaccine."

From ... https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-sars-cov-mutating-slowly-good.html

"Viruses evolve over time, undergoing genetic changes, or mutations, in their quest to survive. Some viruses produce many variations, others only a few. Fortunately, SARS-CoV-2, the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19, is among the latter. This is good news for scientists trying to create an effective vaccine against it.

"The virus has had very few genetic changes since it emerged in late 2019," says Peter Thielen, a molecular biologist at the Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Laboratory and JHU Doctor of Engineering candidate, who, with colleagues from other areas of the Hopkins research community, has been sequencing the viral genome to better understand its makeup. "Designing vaccines and therapeutics for a single strain is much more straightforward than a virus that is changing quickly."

It is interesting that Johns Hopkins participated in the Event 201 Global Pandemic simulation during October of last year.
The Gates foundation was also a participant.

Control of information was one of the recommendations of the group.

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[A_Thinker]

It is interesting that Johns Hopkins participated in the Event 201 Global Pandemic simulation in October of last year.

That's how you get ahead of these things ...

 

[Sophrosyne]

well I meant 10k per state, florida, texas, california are all hovering around 10k, with georgia, arizona and a few others around 5k but already having trouble.

I don't really think a static number is helpful as states vary widely in the way their cities and population are with some having less dense population, others having greatly dense population and states that are smaller and/or with less population would typically reflect lower infection numbers. I think that overall percentages may be a more useful comparison also focusing on age groups as outbreaks of age groups can exhibit differing problems and solutions. If it matters I just heard on the news that children aren't infecting people. I'm not sure if that is proven or not but it would change a lot of things if there was truth to it.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Wearing a mask and distancing to protect yourself, your family, and your neighbors is that bothersome to you ?

I guess that I'm glad you don't live around me ...

I naturally distance when there is sickness around in the area, often better than people who rely more on masks.
I only have a few neighbors that I "socialize" with and none of them wear masks unless they are "forced" to and none of them are at great risk. They are all careful around people that are sick as they are all around my age and we grew up with good health practices concerning people getting sick around us. it is the younger folks who don't worry about flus and viruses taking care to distance themselves that are the source of spikes here not us old fogies our age group has dropped to a non issue now but we are treated as we are now at the same risk and part of the problem at hand and many of us resent it because we have proven by not being the source of increasing infection rates yet... we are treated as if we are guilty of it and forced to wear masks when in reality we don't need them.

 

[Richard T]

I browsed at the "study" and noticed some things in it that are concerning.
1)it is most about data from healthcare workers
2) it talks about 10.. yes 10 layer masks!
3) it doesn't take into account differing mask types or mentions that as a variable whatsoever
I am assuming that this study is of high quality masks and if an N95 or 10 layer mask is only 65% effective then a 1 layer mask is probably only from 3%=10% effective with only 10% of the layers.

The UC davis was the study that suggested up to 65% reduced transmission. The study in lancet that you reference is a meta-analysis of some 39 studies. Here is what they found:
Face mask vs no face mask Ten adjusted studies (n=2647); 29 unadjusted studies (n=10170)
No face mask, 17.4% transmission rate
Face mask, 3·1% (range of 1·5 to 6·7)
That is a pretty good reduction. On page 1979 of the Lancet's meta-analysis, from the chart they suggest "Medical or surgical face masks might result in a large reduction in virus infection; N95 respirators might be associated with a larger reduction in risk compared with surgical or similar masks.
I will admit the confidence of the meta-analysis is rated low, but that is not from the results but rather the execution of the studies, some were for particular settings, for different viruses etc. I am not sure what a 12 or 16 layer surgical mask is. I could find no other reference on a google search, except articles quoting the Lancet study.
The UC Davis study was not included in the Lancet meta-analysis as neither of the authors is listed in the references. I would assume that it was not available at the time the lancet authors did their analysis. Altogether, there is pretty decent evidence that mask wearing helps the wearer. I imagine is does become marginal when the mask is poor. My understanding is that it is not just if the virus will enter the infected, but also how much of the virus. Of course the amount of viral load it takes to infect someone varies with the individual but in general a mask will capture some of the virus.

 

[Richard T]

It is interesting that Johns Hopkins participated in the Event 201 Global Pandemic simulation during October of last year.
The Gates foundation was also a participant.

Control of information was one of the recommendations of the group.

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Good info. I also certainly do not trust Gates or Fauci. It is the national elites that are the ones to watch. America is lucky that some states and cities do have autonomy and that mostly local or state leaders decide what options are best. (though of course they may base their info on what the elites are telling them). I will worry when this goes away, and a national mandate takes place.
It is interesting to me that if globalists want the fall of America, they would not want masks since that would likely lower the infection rate and keep the economy moving better. Thus, the argument over masks and how that is a tool of the elite is framed incorrectly in my opinion. Most of the constitutional tests for controlling citizens have already been set so I see a mask requirement as being much like seatbelts, not some nefarious conspiracy. Other parts of the pandemic though may certainly have evil intentions.

 

[ZNP]

From ... The coronavirus mutates more slowly than the flu — which means a vaccine will likely be effective long-term

Thanks to the Operation Warp Speed vaccine acceleration program, Fauci said he expects the US will have "hundreds of millions of doses" of the vaccine ready to deploy by early 2021. However, if a significant percentage of Americans refuse a coronavirus vaccine, the US might not reach the critical level of herd immunity needed to end the pandemic, he said during an interview posted on YouTube on June 28.

Coronavirus vaccine: Are we close to finding one? Here's what's happening

In South Korea, more than 160 people tested positive again after they had recovered from COVID-19. In China, 5%-10% of people tested positive again after they'd recovered, according to news reports. It's not clear whether:

• These people got infected again
• The virus reactivated in their bodies after being quiet for a while, or
• The test results were flawed

COVID-19: Herd Immunity and Reinfection

Months into the pandemic, the scientific community’s understanding of Covid-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus, is rapidly evolving. New reports of patients testing positive, or appearing to suffer symptoms months after initial diagnosis, continues to generate concern that people who have had Covid-19 are getting infected anew.

Can You Catch Covid-19 Twice?

In conclusion, we are going to have a vaccine prepared in record time, probably by the beginning of 2021. By that time, best case scenario, even pie in the sky scenario, would have 80 million people worldwide who have been infected. Yes, it does mutate slower, but after only 8 million people had been infected there were already more than 14 strains
and one of those strains was more contagious than the others. Since random mutations are a simple numbers game we can expect by the time there is a vaccine that we'll have 140 strains and 10 that are especially virulent.

2nd, there is no way that 8 billion people will be given the vaccine in 2021, in fact it is doubtful that we would give the vaccine to more than 1 billion people in 2021. Therefore this virus will continue to mutate throughout 2021 and those strains that the inoculation does not protect you from will be the most successful in countries that do have the vaccine.

 

[loveofourlord]

I don't really think a static number is helpful as states vary widely in the way their cities and population are with some having less dense population, others having greatly dense population and states that are smaller and/or with less population would typically reflect lower infection numbers. I think that overall percentages may be a more useful comparison also focusing on age groups as outbreaks of age groups can exhibit differing problems and solutions. If it matters I just heard on the news that children aren't infecting people. I'm not sure if that is proven or not but it would change a lot of things if there was truth to it.

....yeah the children thing is bunk,given the outbreaks in schools, camps and other places in the last week, this nonsense that kids can't spread the virus is obviously false.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

Thanks to the Operation Warp Speed vaccine acceleration program, Fauci said he expects the US will have "hundreds of millions of doses" of the vaccine ready to deploy by early 2021.

I'll let the first million go to someone else. I don't want a rushed vaccine.

 

[Sophrosyne]

The UC davis was the study that suggested up to 65% reduced transmission. The study in lancet that you reference is a meta-analysis of some 39 studies. Here is what they found:
Face mask vs no face mask Ten adjusted studies (n=2647); 29 unadjusted studies (n=10170)
No face mask, 17.4% transmission rate
Face mask, 3·1% (range of 1·5 to 6·7)
That is a pretty good reduction. On page 1979 of the Lancet's meta-analysis, from the chart they suggest "Medical or surgical face masks might result in a large reduction in virus infection; N95 respirators might be associated with a larger reduction in risk compared with surgical or similar masks.
I will admit the confidence of the meta-analysis is rated low, but that is not from the results but rather the execution of the studies, some were for particular settings, for different viruses etc. I am not sure what a 12 or 16 layer surgical mask is. I could find no other reference on a google search, except articles quoting the Lancet study.
The UC Davis study was not included in the Lancet meta-analysis as neither of the authors is listed in the references. I would assume that it was not available at the time the lancet authors did their analysis. Altogether, there is pretty decent evidence that mask wearing helps the wearer. I imagine is does become marginal when the mask is poor. My understanding is that it is not just if the virus will enter the infected, but also how much of the virus. Of course the amount of viral load it takes to infect someone varies with the individual but in general a mask will capture some of the virus.

I've already said my peace about this study. I'm not neither impressed nor do I feel it is relevant to public policy and use of masks but rather concerns those in healthcare who have the best available masks, are trained how to use and care for them vs untrained people with masks that may not even be 25% as effective as these masks are.

 

[Sophrosyne]

....yeah the children thing is bunk,given the outbreaks in schools, camps and other places in the last week, this nonsense that kids can't spread the virus is obviously false.

I think they don't know for sure but some data seems to suggest that younger children don't spread it enough to be concerned.
Coronavirus unlikely to be spread by children, research suggests – Orange County Register

 

[loveofourlord]

I think they don't know for sure but some data seems to suggest that younger children don't spread it enough to be concerned.
Coronavirus unlikely to be spread by children, research suggests – Orange County Register

again we just had a camp spread to 82 children I believe it was it's nonsense.