Masks can help you stop the virus

[JacksBratt]

The common cold is caused by certain varieties of Corona viruses, as well as certain varieties of Rhino viruses.

The Coronavirus which causes COVID 19 is more amenable to a vaccine, ... because it doesn't mutate as much.

Even 3 months ... is further down the road than we are now. This vaccine may require periodic boosters, ... but, even so, it would be far worse (potentially) to get the disease. I know ... I've seen it up close.

Then y'all can just all hang in there together ...

Good luck to you, as well ...

Thanks for that information. I agree that 3 months would put us further down the road.. but not in the clear.

And, like you said.. it ain't happening soon.

 

[ZNP]

The common cold is caused by certain varieties of Corona viruses, as well as certain varieties of Rhino viruses.

The Coronavirus which causes COVID 19 is more amenable to a vaccine, ... because it doesn't mutate as much.

How much a virus mutates is based on two factors, not one. Yes, it doesn't mutate as much as other viruses, that is good. On the flip side the other factor is how many people have been infected. If it mutates half as much as another virus yet has infected twice as many people then it will still have just as many mutations.

The big question is how many people will have been infected with the virus by the time the first viable vaccine is out.

The second big question is how many people are going to get vaccinated. I hear people proudly proclaiming they will have hundreds of millions of doses ready by the beginning of next year. Trouble is there are 8 billion people on this planet, so if you are only planning on vaccinating 10% the virus will continue to spread and multiply and mutate. We are all interconnected.

 

[JacksBratt]

How much a virus mutates is based on two factors, not one. Yes, it doesn't mutate as much as other viruses, that is good. On the flip side the other factor is how many people have been infected. If it mutates half as much as another virus yet has infected twice as many people then it will still have just as many mutations.

The big question is how many people will have been infected with the virus by the time the first viable vaccine is out.

The second big question is how many people are going to get vaccinated. I hear people proudly proclaiming they will have hundreds of millions of doses ready by the beginning of next year. Trouble is there are 8 billion people on this planet, so if you are only planning on vaccinating 10% the virus will continue to spread and multiply and mutate. We are all interconnected.

My BIG question is this:

How many people get infected. Of those, what percentage dies?

We were lead to believe it would be 15 to 20%..... That sent panic through the world.

Now, we find it is much much lower.. What is the real number and why will they never say anything about it?

It was their big "play" when it was discovered and no leader of any country did what we were all thinking.... close China's border.... NOW...

But.. nope.....

 

[BABerean2]

My BIG question is this:

How many people get infected. Of those, what percentage dies?

We were lead to believe it would be 15 to 20%..... That sent panic through the world.

Now, we find it is much much lower.. What is the real number and why will they never say anything about it?

It was their big "play" when it was discovered and no leader of any country did what we were all thinking.... close China's border.... NOW...

But.. nope.....

In the video below Dr. Ron Paul reveals..."They are lying about COVID"...

The COVID-19 Curve Has Been Flattened


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[JacksBratt]

In the video below Dr. Ron Paul reveals..."They are lying about COVID"...

The COVID-19 Curve Has Been Flattened


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Thanks for that article.. It explains a lot.

 

[Sophrosyne]

My BIG question is this:

How many people get infected. Of those, what percentage dies?

We were lead to believe it would be 15 to 20%..... That sent panic through the world.

Now, we find it is much much lower.. What is the real number and why will they never say anything about it?

It was their big "play" when it was discovered and no leader of any country did what we were all thinking.... close China's border.... NOW...

But.. nope.....

So far the statistic equate death rates at under 0.5% if they are accurate. They seem to be falling as less vulnerable people (younger) are making up the majority of those infected. Unless we get a vaccine that can be given to everyone on the planet in a short time that is totally effective this virus is way too infectious to ever be stopped by physical means that allow people to live any normal resemblance of a life. While some countries like NZ and Greece have pretty much pushed the virus out they still aren't back to normal because them and most countries depend partially on tourism for income and few people want to visit a country when you have to spend 14 days in quarantine just to get in.
I think with all this in mind the numbers could easily go over 30% infected which could relate to a half a million dead in the US alone or more. All the masking and distancing will slow us some on the way to these amounts.
I am still thinking herd immunity may be the only hope if possible but am guessing it would take closer to 50% of the population before spiked in infections won't be a daunting issue the herd could start to have an affect of slowing the virus that distancing with the addition of masking is doing for the time being.
There is some that are implying that immunity from being infected doesn't last effectively long enough which is concerning because it puts into question the effectiveness of herd immunity and vaccines which means either one of the other won't be effective rendering herd immunity worthless at the currently slowed infection rates and may require "booster" shots of vaccines in order to keep people immune which probably will allow herd immunity to be possible via vaccine instead of infection.

 

[ZNP]

So far the statistic equate death rates at under 0.5% if they are accurate. They seem to be falling as less vulnerable people (younger) are making up the majority of those infected. Unless we get a vaccine that can be given to everyone on the planet in a short time that is totally effective this virus is way too infectious to ever be stopped by physical means that allow people to live any normal resemblance of a life. While some countries like NZ and Greece have pretty much pushed the virus out they still aren't back to normal because them and most countries depend partially on tourism for income and few people want to visit a country when you have to spend 14 days in quarantine just to get in.
I think with all this in mind the numbers could easily go over 30% infected which could relate to a half a million dead in the US alone or more. All the masking and distancing will slow us some on the way to these amounts.
I am still thinking herd immunity may be the only hope if possible but am guessing it would take closer to 50% of the population before spiked in infections won't be a daunting issue the herd could start to have an affect of slowing the virus that distancing with the addition of masking is doing for the time being.
There is some that are implying that immunity from being infected doesn't last effectively long enough which is concerning because it puts into question the effectiveness of herd immunity and vaccines which means either one of the other won't be effective rendering herd immunity worthless at the currently slowed infection rates and may require "booster" shots of vaccines in order to keep people immune which probably will allow herd immunity to be possible via vaccine instead of infection.

I agree with your summation except for one missing point. After 8 million confirmed cases we had 14 different strains with one of them being more infectious than the others. Right now based on new cases every day we will be getting one new strain per week. Therefore it is reasonable to expect a total of at least 40 strains before they even begin large scale inoculations. Since no one is planning on billions of doses, there is no way this virus doesn't continue to infect and mutate.

Therefore instead of herd immunity, I think radical changes in lifestyle will cause the most successful strains of the virus to be the least virulent: social distancing, masks, maximum use of cyber space as a meeting and workplace, and the use of thermometers to enter restaurants and other relatively crowded indoor activities.

 

[JacksBratt]

So far the statistic equate death rates at under 0.5% if they are accurate. They seem to be falling as less vulnerable people (younger) are making up the majority of those infected. Unless we get a vaccine that can be given to everyone on the planet in a short time that is totally effective this virus is way too infectious to ever be stopped by physical means that allow people to live any normal resemblance of a life. While some countries like NZ and Greece have pretty much pushed the virus out they still aren't back to normal because them and most countries depend partially on tourism for income and few people want to visit a country when you have to spend 14 days in quarantine just to get in.
I think with all this in mind the numbers could easily go over 30% infected which could relate to a half a million dead in the US alone or more. All the masking and distancing will slow us some on the way to these amounts.
I am still thinking herd immunity may be the only hope if possible but am guessing it would take closer to 50% of the population before spiked in infections won't be a daunting issue the herd could start to have an affect of slowing the virus that distancing with the addition of masking is doing for the time being.
There is some that are implying that immunity from being infected doesn't last effectively long enough which is concerning because it puts into question the effectiveness of herd immunity and vaccines which means either one of the other won't be effective rendering herd immunity worthless at the currently slowed infection rates and may require "booster" shots of vaccines in order to keep people immune which probably will allow herd immunity to be possible via vaccine instead of infection.

I don't have any faith in a vaccine.. the safety of it, the availability of it or even the off chance of one being found.

I think that the number of infected people is way way way higher than believed. I think that herd immunity is our only hope... if the antibodies stay present long enough.

Check out the article posted in post #347.. Definitely worth the read.

 

[Sophrosyne]

I agree with your summation except for one missing point. After 8 million confirmed cases we had 14 different strains with one of them being more infectious than the others. Right now based on new cases every day we will be getting one new strain per week. Therefore it is reasonable to expect a total of at least 40 strains before they even begin large scale inoculations. Since no one is planning on billions of doses, there is no way this virus doesn't continue to infect and mutate.

Therefore instead of herd immunity, I think radical changes in lifestyle will cause the most successful strains of the virus to be the least virulent: social distancing, masks, maximum use of cyber space as a meeting and workplace, and the use of thermometers to enter restaurants and other relatively crowded indoor activities.

Until a "new" strain is a concern then there is no need for any further attention to it on the scale of this virus.
With the mutating in mind (one of my concerns) it is possible for Covid 19 to mutate into a new strain equal or worse and thus the longer we put this virus at arms length while allowing it to continue to mutate we may find ourselves in a worse pickle than we are now.
As for thermometers I use one daily on myself, but I have had many insist that those who are asymptomatic can spread the virus and one symptom is... a fever so if they are right a thermometer won't catch everyone infected. I am of the opinion that when people are infected they do have symptoms but often they are so minor they are ignored like a slight cough or fever or whatever that you pop an over the counter pill and the symptoms vanish. A job I was at they did take your temp every day before you start work.
I'm not willing to entertain wearing a mask and distancing the rest of my life just to keep from dying from something that has less than a half of a percent of killing me.

 

[JacksBratt]

I agree with your summation except for one missing point. After 8 million confirmed cases we had 14 different strains with one of them being more infectious than the others. Right now based on new cases every day we will be getting one new strain per week. Therefore it is reasonable to expect a total of at least 40 strains before they even begin large scale inoculations. Since no one is planning on billions of doses, there is no way this virus doesn't continue to infect and mutate.

Therefore instead of herd immunity, I think radical changes in lifestyle will cause the most successful strains of the virus to be the least virulent: social distancing, masks, maximum use of cyber space as a meeting and workplace, and the use of thermometers to enter restaurants and other relatively crowded indoor activities.

Thermometers would work... IF the person had a fever as part of their symptoms... and IF they had any symptoms at all.

Social distancing, masks, use of cyber space..... forever? Not going to happen.. People will revolt first.

 

[Sophrosyne]

I don't have any faith in a vaccine.. the safety of it, the availability of it or even the off chance of one being found.

I think that the number of infected people is way way way higher than believed. I think that herd immunity is our only hope... if the antibodies stay present long enough.

Check out the article posted in post #347.. Definitely worth the read.

I think that it is very very hard to know what the truth of this virus is because the internet is full of garbage information and biased propaganda so much that as we have seen people change their minds in charge of things sometimes daily based upon little to no information. As for the safety of a vaccine, I agree. A rushed vaccine could go the way of all these lawyer informercials about drugs that have been approved by the FDA and used for decades found to be deadly to some people. We don't know the percentage chance of dying from baby powder or zantac or whatever but I'm guessing that the vaccine will have a disclaimer such that you cannot sue the maker of it later if it harms you.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Thermometers would work... IF the person had a fever as part of their symptoms... and IF they had any symptoms at all.

Social distancing, masks, use of cyber space..... forever? Not going to happen.. People will revolt first.

I read somewhere that a chance of fever as a symptom is from something like 79-99% it was the most common symptom percentage wise. As for revolt... I guarantee it will happen if we are MANDATED by governments to do this for a long time. If they can get people to protest and riot for BLM I'm sure there are 100 times as many who would hop on a change to protest when they are sick of it.

 

[JacksBratt]

I think that it is very very hard to know what the truth of this virus is because the internet is full of garbage information and biased propaganda so much that as we have seen people change their minds in charge of things sometimes daily based upon little to no information. As for the safety of a vaccine, I agree. A rushed vaccine could go the way of all these lawyer informercials about drugs that have been approved by the FDA and used for decades found to be deadly to some people. We don't know the percentage chance of dying from baby powder or zantac or whatever but I'm guessing that the vaccine will have a disclaimer such that you cannot sue the maker of it later if it harms you.

True... I won't take it..


Also, truth in many things these days is hard to find... not just with all the hyperbole around COVID19

 

[JacksBratt]

True... I won't take it..


Also, truth in many things these days is hard to find... not just with all the hyperbole around COVID19

That may be.. however, you may be contagious and not have a fever at the time you are measured... Thus... walking around, tested, yet infecting others.

 

[hedrick]

I just did a search on cold vaccines. They say the problem is that there are 170 strains of virus. Apparently there has been progress on vaccines against lots of strains, so there is hope for the future. A Vaccine for Every Cold, The common cold may be beatable, scientists say

 

[Sophrosyne]

True... I won't take it..


Also, truth in many things these days is hard to find... not just with all the hyperbole around COVID19

I probably won't take it either but if they can force masks upon people the next step could be mandatory vaccines.

 

[ZNP]

Until a "new" strain is a concern then there is no need for any further attention to it on the scale of this virus.
With the mutating in mind (one of my concerns) it is possible for Covid 19 to mutate into a new strain equal or worse and thus the longer we put this virus at arms length while allowing it to continue to mutate we may find ourselves in a worse pickle than we are now.
As for thermometers I use one daily on myself, but I have had many insist that those who are asymptomatic can spread the virus and one symptom is... a fever so if they are right a thermometer won't catch everyone infected. I am of the opinion that when people are infected they do have symptoms but often they are so minor they are ignored like a slight cough or fever or whatever that you pop an over the counter pill and the symptoms vanish. A job I was at they did take your temp every day before you start work.
I'm not willing to entertain wearing a mask and distancing the rest of my life just to keep from dying from something that has less than a half of a percent of killing me.

You have to get the transmission rate under 1, if you do that it will die out. None of these things (masks, social distancing, moving commerce online, or using thermometers) will catch everyone that is infected, but it will help reduce the infection rate.

 

[ZNP]

Thermometers would work... IF the person had a fever as part of their symptoms... and IF they had any symptoms at all.

Social distancing, masks, use of cyber space..... forever? Not going to happen.. People will revolt first.

It is a numbers game. If we replace shopping malls with the internet you remove one way the virus would spread. If you eliminate movie theaters with home movies, you remove one way the virus will spread.

 

[Sophrosyne]

You have to get the transmission rate under 1, if you do that it will die out. None of these things (masks, social distancing, moving commerce online, or using thermometers) will catch everyone that is infected, but it will help reduce the infection rate.

The worst "infection" could be the governments themselves as the suffering and death from all these antisocial mandates could lead a lot of people to mental illnesses and crime out of hopelessness, especially because most of the media has nothing positive to say about it all.

 

[Sophrosyne]

It is a numbers game. If we replace shopping malls with the internet you remove one way the virus would spread. If you eliminate movie theaters with home movies, you remove one way the virus will spread.

Further isolating to further slow the virus that won't be stopped by it but will invariably lead to us feeling like we are in prison than free people and what happens to prisoners is they look for an escape from "the system".