Magnetic Bracelets

[Subduction Zone]

Name another book or text that the world has had around for a thousand years of more, that millions use as a reference, that you will not take as source worthy of historical facts.

I can no longer have a discussion with you on any subject for which I go to the Bible for my basis of truth. For me, the Bible is worthy for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness.

For you it is a rock in your path on the road to discrediting the true history. So you ignore it.

The age of the Bible does not make it valid. You do realize that the verse you paraphrased in no way implies that the Bible is without flaw, don't you? I am merely pointing out an obvious fact, that the Bible is not a valid source for showing that your God ever healed an amputation. That you can't find anything on this shows that your God is rather powerless or rather heartless when it comes to significant bits of the human body being chopped off, either accidentally or on purpose.

And no, I do not ignore the Bible. But I do not give it false credibility either.

 

[JacksBratt]

The age of the Bible does not make it valid. You do realize that the verse you paraphrased in no way implies that the Bible is without flaw, don't you? I am merely pointing out an obvious fact, that the Bible is not a valid source for showing that your God ever healed an amputation. That you can't find anything on this shows that your God is rather powerless or rather heartless when it comes to significant bits of the human body being chopped off, either accidentally or on purpose.

And no, I do not ignore the Bible. But I do not give it false credibility either.

You didn't answer my question. Yes, the age doesn't make it valid. However, there are numerous ancient texts that are used for understanding history and events of the past. These books and scripts are not questioned, as the Bible is, for credibility. They are taken as fact or incite into their time period while the Bible is called a book of stories and myths.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You didn't answer my question. Yes, the age doesn't make it valid. However, there are numerous ancient texts that are used for understanding history and events of the past. These books and scripts are not questioned, as the Bible is, for credibility. They are taken as fact or incite into their time period while the Bible is called a book of stories and myths.

That is largely because of what those other books claim. Books that are well accepted usually do not have accounts of magic in them. Can you think of any?

 

[Heissonear]

I believe the term I was addressing is: "healing amputees."That's because the ear didn't grow back.

Malthus' ear was healed instantly.

Pretty clear.

The issue is resolved.

 

[Heissonear]

Sorry, empty verses are not evidence of anything. How can I miss something when it does not exist in the first place?

If you want to find evidence for the existence of your God you too will have to try much harder.

It is called unbelief, if you wonder why you are empty handed.

Yes, faith produced from encountering Power from on High "you missed"

 

[Subduction Zone]

It is called unbelief, if you wonder why you are empty handed.

Yes, faith in Power from on High "you missed"

Nope, try again. I missed nothing. The claims of faith healing by any religion, and yours is not the only one that make those claims, have not been substantiated.

 

[Heissonear]

AV, now you know why I mute respooooooonnnnnnssssseeee some. "Mute" on. "No response" on. God has so many "ways" and Throne of Mercy power. He is Awesome! Lean upon Him! ☺

 

[Subduction Zone]

AV, now you know why I mute respooooooonnnnnnssssseeee some. "Mute" on. "No response" on. God has so many "ways" and Throne of Mercy power. He is Awesome! Lean upon Him! ☺

And yet you cannot demonstrate any of these. I am not too impressed.

By the way I have noticed that when creationists have nothing they tend to put others on "ignore". It is pretty much an admission of defeat on their part. I have not trolled you in any way at all. I have only asked for reasonable evidence and you have none.

 

[AV1611VET]

By the way I have noticed that when creationists have nothing they tend to put others on "ignore". It is pretty much an admission of defeat on their part.

And what do you call it when we are put on IGNORE?

 

[Heissonear]

And what do you call it when we are put on IGNORE?

Couldn't be more clear.

The issue is resolved.

 

[JacksBratt]

That is largely because of what those other books claim. Books that are well accepted usually do not have accounts of magic in them. Can you think of any?

So, if an ancient book talks of events that occurred long ago, it is believable as long as it does not state anything that is outside your comfort zone. If said text includes events that you cannot explain within your accepted realm of "naturally" occurring or, better still, explainable phenomenon, you write it off.

You, should be careful. There are many things written down, even today, that people believe based on the fact that it is explainable. Not believing in something due to the fact that your mind cannot get around the "how" leans a wee bit toward too much trust in your mind being the gold standard to which everything must be understood as possible.
To say "science cannot explain it and my mind has no way to understand how it occurred, therefore it is just a story or myth". That is one slippery slope. The human mind is as easy to trick just as it is lacking in the ability to understand everything that is possible in this world.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So, if an ancient book talks of events that occurred long ago, it is believable as long as it does not state anything that is outside your comfort zone. If said text includes events that you cannot explain within your accepted realm of "naturally" occurring or, better still, explainable phenomenon, you write it off.

How many ancient books do you give any credence to? If you only do so for the Bible and not those of other religions you are guilty of the logical fallacy of special pleading. And remember, the burden of proof is always upon those making a positive claim. If you can't find evidence that supports your beliefs then you have failed, not me.

You, should be careful. There are many things written down, even today, that people believe based on the fact that it is explainable. Not believing in something due to the fact that your mind cannot get around the "how" leans a wee bit toward too much trust in your mind being the gold standard to which everything must be understood as possible.
To say "science cannot explain it and my mind has no way to understand how it occurred, therefore it is just a story or myth". That is one slippery slope. The human mind is as easy to trick just as it is lacking in the ability to understand everything that is possible in this world.

You go to far. Many stories in the Bible have been shown to be myth. We know there was never a worldwide flood. We know that there never were only two people in the world. There are things that science can explain. There are things that have not been explained. On those I keep an open mind. No one has shown any valid reason to believe this magnet nonsense and other have shown why it is simply a fraud.

 

[JacksBratt]

How many ancient books do you give any credence to? If you only do so for the Bible and not those of other religions you are guilty of the logical fallacy of special pleading. And remember, the burden of proof is always upon those making a positive claim. If you can't find evidence that supports your beliefs then you have failed, not me.

This is what I mean. You have tunnel vision. You believe that any ancient book is of religious nature. That is the first thing you jump to. In my opinion this is due to your strong defensive attitude for your beliefs. Shout, crush and stomp out any religious document that threatens your precious TOE or leans one degree toward any mention of a superior being.

There are numerous ancient tablets, texts, scripts and books that have nothing to do with religion. I'm sure you know how to "google".

To be clear, my point is that not all written documents from ancient times are of religious nature. Some are of early science, history, events and art. Yet you immediately assume that I meant documents that are biblical or of other religions. The ones that do not speak of things deemed super natural are accepted. Any that suggest events that are not explainable by our definition of possible are written off as myth. Especially if they mention God.

You go to far. Many stories in the Bible have been shown to be myth. We know there was never a worldwide flood. We know that there never were only two people in the world. There are things that science can explain. There are things that have not been explained. On those I keep an open mind. No one has shown any valid reason to believe this magnet nonsense and other have shown why it is simply a fraud.

I have only one response to this:

1 Corinthians 2:5King James Version (KJV)
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

All these things that you call myth or say never happened are all from man's wisdom.

I say "If it contradicts the Bible, we have missed something and the evidence is being misunderstood, misread, is incomplete or parts are being ignored or purposefully hidden due to the fact that they contradict the desired conclusion".

The facts and evidence of today is massaged, fabricated, sculpted and presented in a manner that has only one goal..... Destroy the need for God. Destroy any belief of the existence of God. Destroy any belief in the existence of Hell.

If mankind succeeds in this pursuit..... Satan wins and all the little pawns and minions that have aided him in his agenda will be treated to the only trophy that Satan will offer men.............. laughter, as you join him in eternal death, having sealed your own fate in believing the greatest deceiver of all time.

 

[Subduction Zone]

This is what I mean. You have tunnel vision. You believe that any ancient book is of religious nature. That is the first thing you jump to. In my opinion this is due to your strong defensive attitude for your beliefs. Shout, crush and stomp out any religious document that threatens your precious TOE or leans one degree toward any mention of a superior being.

What!? No, you are being silly. Having an open mind does not mean have a mind so open that one's brain falls out. I did not say that. I only said that about ancient books with stories of magic in them. You are being inconsistent. You have no valid reason to reject the magical beliefs of other religions, yet you do. I only add one more religion to the hundreds of religions that you reject.

There are numerous ancient tablets, texts, scripts and books that have nothing to do with religion. I'm sure you know how to "google".

And if other ancient sources do not make ridiculous claims of magic I will not reject them out of hand. You do not seem to realize who has the burden of proof and more important, you don't seem to get the concept of "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".

To be clear, my point is that not all written documents from ancient times are of religious nature. Some are of early science, history, events and art. Yet you immediately assume that I meant documents that are biblical or of other religions. The ones that do not speak of things deemed super natural are accepted. Any that suggest events that are not explainable by our definition of possible are written off as myth. Especially if they mention God.

Actually they aren't, since science is at second millennium invention, but I understand what you are trying to get at. And again, repeat after me ..." Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

I have only one response to this:

1 Corinthians 2:5King James Version (KJV)
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

So you have nothing but nonsense. Thank you.

All these things that you call myth or say never happened are all from man's wisdom.

No, you need evidence to make that claim.

I say "If it contradicts the Bible, we have missed something and the evidence is being misunderstood, misread, is incomplete or parts are being ignored or purposefully hidden due to the fact that they contradict the desired conclusion".

Now your logical error is special pleading. For some reason the Bible is a book that has magic in it that you can trust, but you don't trust others.

The facts and evidence of today is massaged, fabricated, sculpted and presented in a manner that has only one goal..... Destroy the need for God. Destroy any belief of the existence of God. Destroy any belief in the existence of Hell.

And this is unsupported conspiracy theory nonsense.

If mankind succeeds in this pursuit..... Satan wins and all the little pawns and minions that have aided him in his agenda will be treated to the only trophy that Satan will offer men.............. laughter, as you join him in eternal death, having sealed your own fate in believing the greatest deceiver of all time.

And now you are getting even worse. If you want to claim that your Bible is special then the burden of proof is upon you and not me. If you want to say that the miraculous acts in it are not magical like other religions then again the burden of proof is upon you and not upon me. You want the Bible to be treated differently from other "holy" books. I need to be shown a reason to do so. How am I being unreasonable when I am consistent in how I treat such books while you are not being consistent?

 

[Subduction Zone]

And what do you call it when we are put on IGNORE?

Some trolls quite often have only nonsense when they respond to posts. Heisner had no valid response to a reasonable argument. He as much as admitted that he was wrong. That is fine with me. I do not troll, he knows, I know it. He simply could not respond to a reasonable argument. There is no reason, scientific or biblical, to believe in these magnets. They are a scam that takes money away from chumps that are ignorant of how the body works and what can or can't cure you. I don't mind if he puts me on ignore. That won't stop me from correcting obvious facts that he gets wrong. It does limit his ability to respond to those posts.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Couldn't be more clear.

The issue is resolved.

I am satisfied. You have come as close as you can to admitting that you were wrong about this topic. If you want to discuss how this is a fraud that preys upon those in pain I will have no problem reopening the discussion.

 

[JacksBratt]

I only said that about ancient books with stories of magic in them.

Exactly, I rest my case. You are only biased to ancient books that have, what you consider to be, magic in them.

You are a self appointed judge of what is magic. This is based solely on what you deem to be outside or inside of your accepted scale of real or myth or magic based on the limitations of what man knows and can measure today.

Years ago the Natives thought it was magic that a white man could make some scribbles on a parchment and another man could understand it and carry out the action written down.

This magic that you speak of is only events beyond the known technology or spiritual understanding of the technology or mindset of those who consider themselves to be wise, knowledgeable and educated.

 

[JacksBratt]

I am satisfied. You have come as close as you can to admitting that you were wrong about this topic. If you want to discuss how this is a fraud that preys upon those in pain I will have no problem reopening the discussion.

This "fraud" that preys upon those with pain has brought pain relief to thousands. Many who come back to buy other products or replace one that has broken or worn out. To them, it is well worth the money...thus, not a fraud.

No matter how much you want this to be snake oil or the power of the human mind, it works and works repeatedly for many. Study study study.....the results won't change my own personal experience which is still going after a decade and a half of reduced occurrence and reduced severity of my migraines and expedited relief of my golfers elbow.
Surprise.... some things are not explained by the new witchcraft of "empirical science" which is used to deter the masses from the possibility of relief from pain.

Why would you fight so hard to void something that may bring beneficial results to someone you don't even know?
Why does it offend you so much?
Why, when the purchaser can return the item for a full refund if it doesn't give them the expected relief, call it a fraud?
Why, when so many have admitted that it works for them, do you continue to call it a fake?

 

[JacksBratt]

From my dropping in perspective, you showed what took place with integrity.

What have they done of the "occasion". Spoke against in unbelief or trashed it.

The man recieved grace from on High.

Thank you very much.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Exactly, I rest my case. You are only biased to ancient books that have, what you consider to be, magic in them.

Wrong again, only ancient books with magic in them. That is not bias. You treat all other ancient books with magic in them in the same way. Not only that I do not accept modern books with magic in them either. You do not seem to realize the error that you are making.

You are a self appointed judge of what is magic. This is based solely on what you deem to be outside or inside of your accepted scale of real or myth or magic based on the limitations of what man knows and can measure today.

No, I am not. It is pretty obvious when a book has magic in it. Any wondrous tale of miracles, things appearing out of nowhere, talking animals, whether foxes and pigs or snakes and donkeys that are not supported by evidence all qualify as "magic".

Years ago the Natives thought it was magic that a white man could make some scribbles on a parchment and another man could understand it and carry out the action written down.

But white men could show that what they were doing was not magic. It was clearly not magic. They could meet their burden of proof to the Natives. You can't meet your burden of proof here.

This magic that you speak of is only events beyond the known technology or spiritual understanding of the technology or mindset of those who consider themselves to be wise, knowledgeable and educated.

No, the more we learn the more obvious that it becomes that the stories in the Bible are just stories. Again, the burden of proof is upon those making the claim that the Bible or other ancient books are valid. Don't come crying to me and claim prejudice because you can't meet your burden of proof.

Why don't you believe the countless other magical ancient tomes out there? I see that you ran away from the fact that you are guilty of special pleading.