Magnetic Bracelets

[Kylie]

I'll like to open this subject once more. I read almost all the responses in this thread and found that people use lack of evidence and no basis in personal experiences to disqualify a still debatable subject.
Suddenly, magnetism is becoming a new area of research. Now been tested to cure brain cancer. Nice subject to talk about again.
I started using a magnetic bracelet about two weeks ago. Through the pandemic I became very sluggish and dismotivated. I stop doing exercise completely. I decided to start training once more. I'm a 204 lbs 45 year old male. On a normal day now, I can do a start up set of push ups of 50-70 follow by more sets of 25.
Two weeks after I started using the bracelet, I pushed 90 push ups like I was doing 50. I've only push 90 push ups once in my life, I was in my early 20s and I was training and supplementing.
I cannot say that the bracelets are the culprit of this advanced performance move but it sure makes me wonder. I suffer from minor tingling in my hands and shoulders, and it hasn't gone away since I started using the bracelet but this tingling doesn't seem to bother me as much anymore.
Bring your own experiences and share them. I think this thread was reduce by potentially naysayers that support the big pharma industry which don't have patients as the first priority but profits. No big Corp will allow a non medical device to take their business. I'm sharing cause I feel so disgusted to those rejecting the dog condition as a placebo effect. You need to understand what a placebo effect is before talking about it. Most placebo effect is considered, the own body capability to fix what's damage and to prove that "an actual treatment didn't work" any better than the body itself.
If a dog with extreme arthritis starts running by using a magnetic collar, disregarding that as placebo is ignorant and deceitful.
Funny, how Jesus himself told the blind man to hold himself from telling the authorities because even then politics went beyond human charity.

I'd love to see this done in a double blind manner, have two bracelets, one with magnets and one without, but both are identical so the wearer doesn't know if they are getting the magnets or not.

 

[pgp_protector]

I'd love to see this done in a double blind manner, have two bracelets, one with magnets and one without, but both are identical so the wearer doesn't know if they are getting the magnets or not.

Randomised controlled trial of magnetic bracelets for relieving pain in osteoarthritis of the hip and knee

Results Mean pain scores were reduced more in the standard magnet group than in the dummy group (mean difference 1.3 points, 95% confidence interval 0.05 to 2.55). Self reported blinding status did not affect the results. The scores for secondary outcome measures were consistent with the WOMAC A scores.

Conclusion Pain from osteoarthritis of the hip and knee decreases when wearing magnetic bracelets. It is uncertain whether this response is due to specific or non-specific (placebo) effects.

 

[loveofourlord]

Randomised controlled trial of magnetic bracelets for relieving pain in osteoarthritis of the hip and knee

Pain is a well-known placebo effect, you don't actually get a reduction in pain, people just report and THINK they do. Pain is one of those things where there is no objective way to measure. Your only feeling what you feel now, and bad for remembering what pain you have yesterday or the day before.

But when you test bracelets against objective measures such as joint movement, pain pills taken, there is no difference. People think their pain and symptoms are going away but when tested like with arthritis they have no improvement in movement and such.

People also have a tendency to report improvements as they are telling what they think the researchers want to hear.

 

[partinobodycular]

Randomised controlled trial of magnetic bracelets for relieving pain in osteoarthritis of the hip and knee

If you read the study it seems quite obvious that what we're seeing here is the placebo effect. The people who got the magnetic bracelets knew that they had the magnetic bracelets because they tended to stick to metal objects like keys.

That fact alone renders the study both worthless and its conclusion purposely deceptive. So rather than being evidence for the efficacy of magnetic bracelets, it's actually strong evidence that magnetic bracelets are a sham.

 

[loveofourlord]

There is no mechanism for magnetic bracelets to work, the best argument I've heard is the iron in the blood is effected by the magnets, except that even MRI and other large magnets have little to no effect on the blood, definitely none to the effect that a scaled down bracelet would have any effect.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

There is no mechanism for magnetic bracelets to work, the best argument I've heard is the iron in the blood is effected by the magnets, except that even MRI and other large magnets have little to no effect on the blood, definitely none to the effect that a scaled down bracelet would have any effect.

Yes. The iron in haemoglobin isn't ferromagnetic like a conventional magnet. When oxygenated it's diamagnetic (slightly repelled by a magnet), when deoxygenated it's paramagnetic (slightly attracted to a magnet), but it doesn't become magnetic or change in the presence of magnetic fields - and if such effects were remotely relevant for wrist magnets, they'd be dangerously obvious for MRI scans.

 

[loveofourlord]

Yes. The iron in haemoglobin isn't ferromagnetic like a conventional magnet. When oxygenated it's diamagnetic (slightly repelled by a magnet), when deoxygenated it's paramagnetic (slightly attracted to a magnet), but it doesn't become magnetic or change in the presence of magnetic fields - and if such effects were remotely relevant for wrist magnets, they'd be dangerously obvious for MRI scans.

Exactly, we all know that a lot of the bracelet demonstrations are just fakes and slight of hand. Have you stand one way and push then have you stand a different way or push a different way so your balance is off and pretend it's the bracalets.

 

[Kylie]

Randomised controlled trial of magnetic bracelets for relieving pain in osteoarthritis of the hip and knee

Cool, thanks for the link. Looks like there's not quite enough data to say if there is some underlying mechanism or if it's just the placebo effect.

 

[Kylie]

There is no mechanism for magnetic bracelets to work, the best argument I've heard is the iron in the blood is effected by the magnets, except that even MRI and other large magnets have little to no effect on the blood, definitely none to the effect that a scaled down bracelet would have any effect.

I've heard that the iron in your blood isn't ferromagnetic anyway, so magnets can't affect it.

 

[keith99]

They are exactly as efficacious as copper bracelets.

At least they don't have the side effect of turning your skin green!

 

[chad kincham]

They are exactly as efficacious as copper bracelets.



None.

Very true - magnetic fields have no effect on the human body - rumors that they use medical devices that produce an electro-magnetic field in broken bones that aren’t knitting together right, are completely false.

 

[chad kincham]

Hi there.

So what's up with these magnetic bracelets?

Are they efficacious?

What are the consequences of having the iron in our blood passing through a magnetic field?

One study says yes:

Healing Value Of Magnets Demonstrated In Biomedical Engineering Study

 

[Kylie]

One study says yes:

Healing Value Of Magnets Demonstrated In Biomedical Engineering Study

That's not a link to the actual paper though.

 

[partinobodycular]

That's not a link to the actual paper though.

I don't have time to go through it at the moment, but...

https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/ajpheart.00529.2007

 

[essentialsaltes]

Very true - magnetic fields have no effect on the human body - rumors that they use medical devices that produce an electro-magnetic field in broken bones that aren’t knitting together right, are completely false.

You must be a farmer with all the straw at your disposal.

 

[chad kincham]

You must be a farmer with all the straw at your disposal.

I’m just so impressed by that comment.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Exactly, we all know that a lot of the bracelet demonstrations are just fakes and slight of hand. Have you stand one way and push then have you stand a different way or push a different way so your balance is off and pretend it's the bracalets.

LOL! Exactly. When I owned a business the landlord for my store hawked those products and she invited me to one of their dog and pony shows and that was exactly what they did. Most did not see it. I did. I could even reproduce it the next day with a magic spoon.

 

[chad kincham]

I have no clue if magnetic bracelets work - but studies - one of which I posted earlier, show that what are called Medical Magnets do lower inflammation.

I used some for years on my right carpal tunnel, and they helped by a noticeable amount.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't have time to go through it at the moment, but...

https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/ajpheart.00529.2007

Interesting, but not a double blind study. And with the small difference in results that may be cause by inadvertent prejudice. Medical science is easily affected by such prejudices which is why the double blind study is the standard. And it needs to be reproducible. One study is not meaningful support. Especially when it was a flawed study.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have no clue if magnetic bracelets work - but studies - one of which I posted earlier, show that what are called Medical Magnets do lower inflammation.

I used some for years on my right carpal tunnel, and they helped by a noticeable amount.

Placebos can seem to work at times.