Literal / Metaphor

[lesliedellow]

I beg your pardon?

Didn't you say that evangelicals don't believe the Earth is flat? And, hey presto, one who does believe that immediately pops out of the woodwork. He/she might be trolling, but I have learnt to my amazement that most, or even all, of the flat earthers on here are not trolling.

 

[AV1611VET]

You mean like a maths professor should have to teach first year university students simple arithmetic, or an English professor what an adjective is?

Maybe evolutionists have hired teachers from the Antichrist Lovers Union to teach theology, eh?

(And yes, I noticed you didn't answer my simple question about gender. Bruce Jenner would be proud of you.)

I wonder if this Berd can answer it?

If not, then he needs to shut up about what his students can't answer.

And if so, he needs to shut up about what his students can't answer.

Better yet, if Biola has an ounce of integrity, maybe they can help this guy find employment elsewhere, instead of advertising how much his students don't know and giving you guys fodder for ridicule.

 

[lesliedellow]

Maybe evolutionists have hired teachers from the Antichrist Lovers Union to teach theology, eh?

Oh sure. Well Al Mohler seems to be pretty sure that the fault lies with biblically illiterate evangelicals, who never open their Bibles.

 

[AV1611VET]

Didn't you say that evangelicals don't believe the Earth is flat?

I can't remember if I did.

But since you brought it up, it wouldn't surprise me if some evangelicals do believe it.

HOWEVER, if my memory serves me correctly, there are six fundamentals of the Christian faith.

Evangelicals only believe in five of them, denying verbal plenary inspiration.

Modernists deny two or more of them, such as Jesus' virgin birth, vicarious substitution, second coming, and/or a couple other fundamentals.

 

[AV1611VET]

Oh sure. Well Al Mohler seems to be pretty sure that the fault lies with biblically illiterate evangelicals, who never open their Bibles.

That's too vague.

Does he place the blame on the students or the parents?

 

[lesliedellow]

I can't remember if I did.

But since you brought it up, it wouldn't surprise me if some evangelicals do believe it.

HOWEVER, if my memory serves me correctly, there are six fundamentals of the Christian faith.

Evangelicals only believe in five of them, denying verbal plenary inspiration.

Modernists deny two or more of them, such as Jesus' virgin birth, vicarious substitution, second coming, and/or a couple other fundamentals.

Well I guess I'm not a modernist then, but I am one of those dreaded evolutionists.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well I guess I'm not a modernist then, but I am one of those dreaded evolutionists.

But ... I'm guessing ... you don't know if Nymphas was a man or woman.

If so, then what makes you any better than someone who doesn't know if Nun was a man or [Catholic] woman?

 

[lesliedellow]

That's too vague.

Does he place the blame on the students or the parents?

QUOTE: "Churches must recover the centrality and urgency of biblical teaching and preaching, and refuse to sideline the teaching ministry of the preacher. Pastors and churches too busy–or too distracted–to make biblical knowledge a central aim of ministry will produce believers who simply do not know enough to be faithful disciples."

It sounds to me that he places the blame partly at the door of the churches, but individuals can hardly excuse themselves on that account.

 

[AV1611VET]

QUOTE: "Churches must recover the centrality and urgency of biblical teaching and preaching, and refuse to sideline the teaching ministry of the preacher. Pastors and churches too busy–or too distracted–to make biblical knowledge a central aim of ministry will produce believers who simply do not know enough to be faithful disciples."

It sounds to me that he places the blame partly at the door of the churches, but individuals can hardly excuse themselves on that account.

Excuse me -- two things here.

1. Since when is it the pastor's job to teach kids the books of the Bible?

2. Isn't the "church" the people, not the building?

If kids don't know the first five books of the Bible, it's a primary reflection on the parents; secondarily on their teachers.

(After a certain age though, it would be the student's fault.)

 

[lesliedellow]

But ... I'm guessing ... you don't know if Nymphas was a man or woman.

If so, then what makes you any better than someone who doesn't know if Nun was a man or [Catholic] woman?

According to the KJV, Nymphas is a man. According to the NEB she is a woman, and according to the ESV, that verse has been mistranslated anyway.

 

[Picky Picky]

But ... I'm guessing ... you don't know if Nymphas was a man or woman.

If so, then what makes you any better than someone who doesn't know if Nun was a man or [Catholic] woman?

No idea about Nun (though it sounds believably masculine), but I remember Nymphas because he/she is one of those characters like Junia/Junias that people like to argue about the gender of. So the answer is "no-one knows" I suppose.

 

[Picky Picky]

According to the KJV, Nymphas is a man. According to the NEB she is a woman, and according to the ESV, that verse has been mistranslated anyway.

Whoops, you got in before me.

 

[AV1611VET]

So the answer is "no-one knows" I suppose.

I do.

Nymphas was a man.

The King James Bible says he was.

And just because some Wescott-Hort homosexual versions say otherwise, that isn't going to throw me into a state of confusion.

 

[AV1611VET]

Whoops, you got in before me.

He still avoided the question, and I guess I would too if I was him.

He's a smart cookie.

 

[Picky Picky]

I do.

Nymphas was a man.

The King James Bible says he was.

And just because some Wescott-Hort homosexual versions say otherwise, that isn't going to throw me into a state of confusion.

Well, I'm with you. If any version of the Bible were to be authoritative, I would very much it to be the KJV. Well written. Embarrassing name for the chap, nonetheless.

 

[AV1611VET]

Embarrassing name for the chap, nonetheless.

No argument there!

 

[lesliedellow]

And just because some Wescott-Hort homosexual versions say otherwise, that isn't going to throw me into a state of confusion.

You are a bit behind the times. Nowadays translations are made from the Nestle-Åland or UBS Greek New Testaments.

 

[AV1611VET]

You are a bit behind the times. Nowadays translations are made from the Nestle-Åland or UBS Greek New Testaments.

Whatever.

Gender confusion.

My point still stands though.

Don't tell me Christians don't know the first book of the Bible, if you don't know if Nymphas was a man.

This Kenneth Berding guy is ... well ... for the Berds.

I wish he'd come here.

I'd ask him some questions.

 

[lesliedellow]

Don't tell me Christians don't know the first book of the Bible, if you don't know if Nymphas was a man.

Blah, blah, blah. In addition to the wicked conspiracy all those evil evolutionists are involved in, it would seem that there is another wicked conspiracy evangelical leaders are involved in:

http://www.modernreformation.org/default.php?page=articledisplay&var2=1110

 

[AV1611VET]

Here we go again.

In one ear, out the other.

Blah, blah, blah. In addition to the wicked conspiracy all those evil evolutionists are involved in, it would seem that there is another wicked conspiracy evangelical leaders are involved in:

http://www.modernreformation.org/default.php?page=articledisplay&var2=1110

From your link:

Only 23 percent were able to order four key events from Israel's history (Israelites enter the promised land; David is made king; Israel is divided in two; and the people of Judah go into exile),

Can you order four key events from Earth's history:

1. Earth is created.
2. Sun is created.
3. Angiosperms are created.
4. Adam & Eve are created.