Lies about the Sabbath.

[Lollerskates]

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[LarryP2]

The Sabbath is one of ten commandments...

It should be followed. Now, as for the say of the sabbath that deserves at least four more threads.

No Gentile in world history EVER kept the Sabbath. There is NO record of any Gentile EVER keeping the Sabbath in the entire Bible. Gentiles were under their own God-Given set of laws, that Ellen White concealed from the Adventist Church membership when she wrote Patriarchs and Prophets. She deliberately lied through her teeth, knowing that the Mosaic Law NEVER applied to Gentiles. No Gentile Christian EVER kept the Sabbath, and Acts 15 makes it clear when and why, when it reaffirmed four of the 7 Noahide Commandments.

History is clear: Greek and Roman Pagans were appalled and disgusted at Jewish Sabbath Keeping. Christianity would have remained a tiny sect of Judaism without the decision of the Council of Jerusalem in AD 50. The Council of Laodicea simply reduced to writing what the policy of the Christian Church had been since its beginning:

Canon 29

"Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ."

If you disagree with that clear statement of orthodox Christianity, then the only question remains: Why are you reading and writing on a Christian website?

 

[Lollerskates]

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[Lollerskates]

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[LarryP2]

Firstly, Gentile literally translates to a Greek.

Firstly, no it doesn't. The Israelites had pagans and gentiles living among them the entire time they lived in the land of Israel. The Greeks didn't show up for at least 500 years after Judaism was established in Israel.

Secondly, what were those God-given set of laws separate from the Word of God?

Since Sinai, Judaism has enforced an entirely different set of laws regarding Gentiles. That is why there is a complete ABSENCE in history and in the Bible of ANY Gentile keeping the Sabbath. Gentiles were only covered by the 7 Noahide Commandments. And because you have been systematically lied to by Ellen White, you obviously were unaware of those God-given Noahide Commandments.

Follow up: Since I don't know if I am an Hebrew or Gentile, if I am a gentile can I murder people? Can I covet? Can I use God's name in vain? Why or why not, since they fall in the same ten commandments?

That is an ugly, dishonest, nasty lie taught by Ellen White, to hide the fact that she had deliberately withheld the existence of the Noahide Commandments from Church membership. The Noahide Commandments, which were ALWAYS the law of Gentiles in the land of Israel, prohibited ALL of those things that you mention. The Ten Commandments were given solely to the Jews. Gentiles had their own laws, given to Noah, that prohibited almost everything the Ten Commandments prohibited. Ellen White, while she was massively stealing from Edersheim's "The Bible History
Old Testament," obviously made a deliberate decision to withhold the existence of the Noahide Commandments from Seventh Day Adventists. Its right there in Edersheim's book: While she was stealing from it, she could not have overlooked his treatment of those laws.

You are to be congratulated for refraining from the usual ugly Advenitst smear of Christians wanting to "steal and lie." Ellen White was simply in a class of her own of being a lifetime thief and a pathological liar. It is interesting that Adventists have dropped those two accusations against Christianity!!!! Maybe the word is getting out that the Church was founded on a liar and thief that really was second to none!

 

[LarryP2]

You have to be cousins of, or the person that continues to ask people this when they are challenged with obvious hypocrisy.

So are you saying you know better than the Christian bishops that decided the rules that covered all Christians? Are you accusing the Council, called by orthodox Christians, committed an "obvious hypocrisy" when they reduced to writing the Christian position on the Sabbath?

And you obviously have came onto this site with the intention of repeating one of Ellen White's most dishonestly-grotesque and bald-faced smears against orthodox christianity: She KNEW of the existence of the Noahide Commandments that long predated the Ten Commandments. She made a deliberate decision to withhold the existence of those laws. She had to have seen them, since much of Patriarchs and Prophets was stolen directly from Edersheim's book. They were right in front of her. And then, she uttered the ugly, filthy, ,dishonest smear that Christianity insists the Ten Commandments were nailed to the Cross so that they can murder steal and lie.

What an appalling false prophet that sick, evil woman was!

Again, you have been given Canon 29 from the Council at Laodicea, that defines orthodox Christianity's position on the Sabbath. Do you reject the orthodox Christian position on the Sabbath?

 

[from scratch]

Firstly, Gentile literally translates to a Greek. So, it really has no point in distinguishing people of God from "pagans, or Gentiles." Secondly, what were those God-given set of laws separate from the Word of God? The commandments were not Moses' law, it was God's law.

Follow up: Since I don't know if I am an Hebrew or Gentile, if I am a gentile can I murder people? Can I covet? Can I use God's name in vain? Why or why not, since they fall in the same ten commandments?

Are you being a devil's advocate here or are you coming out as an SDA? If neither then what? Here you appear to take the absurd position of the SDA.

 

[from scratch]

You have to be cousins of, or the person that continues to ask people this when they are challenged with obvious hypocrisy.

Who might that be?

 

[Sophrosyne]

So are you saying you know better than the Christian bishops that decided the rules that covered all Christians? Are you accusing the Council, called by orthodox Christians, committed an "obvious hypocrisy" when they reduced to writing the Christian position on the Sabbath?

And you obviously have came onto this site with the intention of repeating Ellen White's grotesque and bald-faced lie: She KNEW of the existence of the Noahide Commandments that long predated the Ten Commandments. She made a deliberate decision to withhold the existence of those laws. And then, she uttered the ugly, dishonest smear that Christianity insists the Ten Commandments were nailed to the Cross so that they can murder steal and lie.

What an appalling false prophet that evil woman was!

Again, you have been given Canon 29 from the Council at Laodicea, that defines orthodox Christianity's position on the Sabbath. Do you reject the orthodox Christian position on the Sabbath?

Even without the Noahide Commandments SDAs will NOT acknowledge that if someone is commanded to love their neighbor and love God that they will NOT be running murdering and stealing. The 10 commandments is a pathetic standard of sinlessness compared to loving your neighbor where you can't even think sin without sinning far worse than you think where hate = murder and lust = adultery. I can think evil and decadent thoughts all day long when I use the 10 commandments as my standard and be fine but a filthy mind to a new testament believing Christian is constantly fighting sin no "keeping" it from happening by external works.

 

[LarryP2]

Even without the Noahide Commandments SDAs will NOT acknowledge that if someone is commanded to love their neighbor and love God that they will NOT be running murdering and stealing. The 10 commandments is a pathetic standard of sinlessness compared to loving your neighbor where you can't even think sin without sinning far worse than you think where hate = murder and lust = adultery. I can think evil and decadent thoughts all day long when I use the 10 commandments as my standard and be fine but a filthy mind to a new testament believing Christian is constantly fighting sin no "keeping" it from happening by external works.

What pathetic and dishonest filth Adventists spew!! Accusing Christians of murder, rape, theft and dishonesty.....because they accept Paul's command in Colossians 2:13-18 that the Ten Commandments, and all of the rest of the Mosaic Law were nailed to the Cross!!! And where 9 of the 10 commandments are reaffirmed by Paul and Jesus THREE times in the New Testament.

So their obvious lie is this: When they say "The Ten Commandments" all they really mean is "Sabbath."

 

[from scratch]

The Sabbath is one of ten commandments...

It should be followed. Now, as for the say of the sabbath that deserves at least four more threads.

Why should the 7th day Sabbath be followed?

 

[LarryP2]

Suggesting that it is now okay to steal and kill is still against God.

No, Ellen White is the only person in history whose Church said her lying and thefts were acceptable!!! You have to be a Seventh Day Adventist to believe that stealing and lying are okay. They continue selling stolen literary works to this day!

By the way, can we expect any time soon that you are going to acknowledge Ellen White's truly monumental thefts and her lifetime of pathological lying? Or are you going to continue to dodge the questions about her actions, which as you acknowledge, are strongly-prohibited by the Ten Commandments that you claim to follow? Or are you just simply lying about your support of the Ten commandments?

Maybe that's why that pathological liar and lifetime massive thief was projecting her own incredibly evil propensities onto Christians!

Stealing and Killing are also prohibited by the Noahide laws and THREE places in the New Testament by either Paul or Jesus. That you completely overlook ALL of these biblical rules to smear Christians says everything you need to know about your cult.

The argument that stealing and killing is okay is a flat out, bald-faced ugly lie and smear against Christianity.

 

[Sophrosyne]

What pathetic and dishonest filth Adventists spew!! Accusing Christians of murder, rape, theft and dishonesty.....because they accept Paul's command in Colossians 2:13-18 that the Ten Commandments, and all of the rest of the Mosaic Law were nailed to the Cross!!! And where 9 of the 10 commandments are reaffirmed by Paul and Jesus THREE times in the New Testament.

So their obvious lie is this: When they say "The Ten Commandments" all they really mean is "Sabbath."

EXACTLY!!!
I've so often cut to the chase when they deceitfully post threads talking about the 10 commandments when in actuality it always comes down to you aren't keeping the 1 commandment, they IGNORE the other 9 commandments and ACCUSE and CONDEMN others constantly of not keeping ALL 10 of them when MOST attempt to keep the 9 as well (or perhaps better) than they "keep" the 10.

 

[from scratch]

Why is truth rejected. Why are statement made that are not factual? There are historical facts to show clearly that the Sabbath was observed up to the fourth century even the Catholic church admits to that. I have read such in Catholic literature already so at least you don't fool me, and I hope others will look for themselves. Here is one encyclopedia.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Sabbath.aspx.
Since Christianity emerged as an interpretation of Judaism with Jesus accepted as messiah, many early ‘Christians’ (the name first appeared at Antioch, according to Acts 11. 26) observed the Sabbath and attended synagogue. The transfer of ‘rest’ from the Sabbath to Sunday began from about the 4th cent., but the reason given was to enable people to worship God, rather than to revive the abstention from work in imitation of the sabbath rest. The phrase ‘the Christian sabbath’ dates from about the 12th cent. The early Reformers (e.g. Luther, Calvin, Cranmer, Knox), insisted on the day of rest, though not in imitation of the Sabbath. The Evangelical Revival reinforced strict sabbath observance in 19th cent. Britain (the Lord's Day Observance Society was founded in 1831), but the influence of Sabbatarian movements on the Continent was more limited. The erosion of ‘sabbath observance’ is now extensive. Seventh-Day Adventists believe that the churches have been in error in abandoning the observance of the Sabbath on the original day and have reverted to that practice.

What truth are you talking about being rejected?
Where can you show Christians are obligated to the 7th day Sabbath?

 

[VictorC]

I hope that you who have been observing have seen how truth, plain scripture has been reject over and over again.
It will get worse.

I came to a discussion forum with the intent of encouraging the unity of the one faith entrusted to us. Distinctives and unBiblical beliefs tend to fall to the wayside once exposed to the light of the Gospel. Over the course of time Elder111 has remained committed to error and has rejected plain Scripture over and over again - which isn't the designed intent of a discussion forum's existence. I hope that your self-proclaimed prophecy fails for you, but it is the Living God Who draws all men to Himself as He wills, and what happens to you isn't for us to say.

 

[from scratch]

James 2:
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Bottom line exactly what does that mean to you?

 

[VictorC]

The Sabbath is one of ten commandments...

No duh - now, what was the Ten Commandments? Once you can answer this accurately, your following statement becomes ludicrous.

It should be followed. Now, as for the say of the sabbath that deserves at least four more threads.

No one here follows the shadow of God's rest, nor should they as God's redeemed children.

 

[from scratch]

I hope that you who have been observing have seen how truth, plain scripture has been reject over and over again.
It will get worse.

While I hope that others will notice how much of the Bible is actually rejected by those who promote obligation to the law for the Christian. Even the very Ten Commandments which God wrote with His very own finger are rejected.

 

[VictorC]

Bottom line exactly what does that mean to you?

Allow me to translate Elder111's post for you: Christianity is filled with Christians, whom Elder111 has nothing but contempt for, and he has no intention of defending his departure from the one faith we've been given. Nor is he going to engage in discussion. If there's nothing to discuss, all he can do is write sly notes of condemnation.

 

[LarryP2]

Allow me to translate Elder111's post for you: Christianity is filled with Christians, whom Elder111 has nothing but contempt for, and he has no intention of defending his departure from the one faith we've been given. Nor is he going to engage in discussion. If there's nothing to discuss, all he can do is write sly notes of condemnation.

The sad fact is they never have had, or ever will have any intention of following the Ten Commandment's prohibition against lying and stealing. And they compound it by dodging questions about their founding prophet's sickening record of truly colossal theft and dishonesty.