Lies about the Sabbath.

[Sophrosyne]

The idea of following a weekly cycle was so unfamiliar that of course they had trouble grasping the concept of the Sabbath.

We don't hear nothing about the Sabbath prior to that then we hear a lot about it AFTER it was instituted by Moses.

 

[VictorC]

We don't hear nothing about the Sabbath prior to that then we hear a lot about it AFTER it was instituted by Moses.

Nehemiah assembled a group of Israeli scholars, who after studying the Book of the Law came to worship God and confess their sins and the sins of their fathers. A subset of those scholars spoke, and as it is recorded in Nehemiah 9:13-14:

"You came down also on Mount Sinai,
And spoke with them from heaven,
And gave them just ordinances and true laws,
Good statutes and commandments.
You made known to them Your holy Sabbath,
And commanded them precepts, statutes and laws,
By the hand of Moses Your servant."​

Each mention of "them" is the children of Israel. Mount Sinai and Moses are principle features of this discourse, which are the source of the Sabbath. It did not exist before Moses.

 

[from scratch]

Red above. That is a good point, when law people says "oh, you guys think you can steal and commit adultery", types of phrases, they have actually accused us of something we do not think, something that is awful too. Yes, it is a smear.

What I really don't get is I'm sure they've been reported for such and still continue in the same vane with no problem. Why? They know very well this is their habit and should be policing it hard.

 

[from scratch]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

My Jesus and yours has clearly stated that the Sabbath was made for man. As far as I know that means all men. Mark 2:27. You can twist that to suit your fancies.
​

I imply nothing, no need to, Jesus speaks for Himself. Mat. 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

And your intended implication and meaning is what?

 

[Sophrosyne]

Nehemiah assembled a group of Israeli scholars, who after studying the Book of the Law came to worship God and confess their sins and the sins of their fathers. A subset of those scholars spoke, and as it is recorded in Nehemiah 9:13-14:

"You came down also on Mount Sinai,
And spoke with them from heaven,
And gave them just ordinances and true laws,
Good statutes and commandments.
You made known to them Your holy Sabbath,
And commanded them precepts, statutes and laws,
By the hand of Moses Your servant."​

Each mention of "them" is the children of Israel. Mount Sinai and Moses are principle features of this discourse, which are the source of the Sabbath. It did not exist before Moses.

Nope... nobody knew anything about it... they didn't even know that gathering firewood on the Sabbath was a death sentence as they asked Moses who asked God what to do about someone who "broke" the Sabbath in that fashion. Moses didn't know what to do, and if the guy had known it was death to gather firewood it is possible he wouldn't have done it.

 

[Elder 111]

Now how many times have you quoted Mark 2:27 lately? Jesus proved beyond all doubt that God's rest wasn't the Sabbath, and you already know that the Sabbath's origin was coincident with the manna experience, which with the Sabbath established the weekly cycle for the children of Israel. Trust me, there were plenty of Jews when the Sabbath was first ordained.

Explain why God said "remember the Sabbath" a made reference to creation week's seventh day?

 

[Elder 111]

The idea of following a weekly cycle was so unfamiliar that of course they had trouble grasping the concept of the Sabbath.

Yet the daily, weekly and monthly cycles were from the beginning. I think you may find that God made it so.

 

[LarryP2]

You admit -again- complete ignorance of God's rest, even after this was pointed out to you. Doing this once only demonstrates a lack of understanding. Repeating the error after it has been shown to you suggests incompetence or deceit.

VictorC's classification of Elder111's toxic cult mangling of Hebrews 4 as "sound bites" is apt. In NO way can the texts be read to suggest that Christians are still under a Sabbath doctrine as Elder suggests. Nor can it be read to suggest that Sabbath was a creation Ordinance. I have pasted two respectable commentaries on the issue, that completely destroy Elder's mangling. Ultimately, Elder's rendition of the verses rely upon a psychotic woman with a head injury as his authority, NOT the scriptures as he frequently maintains, nor do they rely upon any known respectable Biblical interpretation method:


"As God finished his work, and then rested from it, so he will cause those who believe, to finish their work, and then to enjoy their rest. It is evident, that there is a more spiritual and excellent sabbath remaining for the people of God, than that of the seventh day, or that into which Joshua led the Jews. This rest is, a rest of grace, and comfort, and holiness, in the gospel state. And a rest in glory, where the people of God shall enjoy the end of their faith, and the object of all their desires. The rest, or sabbatism, which is the subject of the apostle's reasoning, and as to which he concludes that it remains to be enjoyed, is undoubtedly the heavenly rest, which remains to the people of God, and is opposed to a state of labour and trouble in this world. It is the rest they shall obtain when the Lord Jesus shall appear from heaven. But those who do not believe, shall never enter into this spiritual rest, either of grace here or glory hereafter. God has always declared man's rest to be in him, and his love to be the only real happiness of the soul; and faith in his promises, through his Son, to be the only way of entering that rest."

Hebrews 4 - Matthew Henry’s Commentary - Bible Commentary


"Although God had finished His works of creation and entered on His rest from creation long before Moses' time, yet under that leader of Israel another rest was promised, which most fell short of through unbelief; and although the rest in Canaan was subsequently attained under Joshua, yet long after, in David's days, God, in the ninety-fifth Psalm, still speaks of the rest of God as not yet attained. THEREFORE, there must be meant a rest still future, namely, that which "remaineth for the people of God" in heaven, Hebrews 4:3-9 , when they shall rest from their works, as God did from His, Hebrews 4:10 . The argument is to show that by "My rest," God means a future rest, not for Himself, but for us.
finished--Greek, "brought into existence," "made."

4. he spake--God ( Genesis 2:2 ).
God did rest the seventh day--a rest not ending with the seventh day, but beginning then and still continuing, into which believers shall hereafter enter. God's rest is not a rest necessitated by fatigue, nor consisting in idleness, but is that upholding and governing of which creation was the beginning [ALFORD]. Hence Moses records the end of each of the first six days, but not of the seventh.
from all his works--Hebrew, Genesis 2:2 , "from all His work." God's "work" was one, comprehending, however, many "works."

5. in this place--In this passage of the Psalm again, it is implied that the rest was even then still future.

6. it remaineth--still to be realized.
some must enter--The denial of entrance to unbelievers is a virtual promise of entrance to those that believe. God wishes not His rest to be empty, but furnished with guests ( Luke 14:23 ).
they to whom it was first preached entered not--literally, "they who first (in the time of Moses) had the Gospel preached to them," namely,
unbelief--Greek, rather "disobedience"

7. Again--Anew the promise recurs. Translate as the Greek order is, "He limited a certain day, 'To-day.'" Here Paul interrupts the quotation by, "In (the Psalm of) David saying after so long a time (after five hundred years' possession of Canaan)," and resumes it by, "as it has been said before (so the Greek oldest manuscript, before, namely, Hebrews 3:7 Hebrews 3:15 ), To-day if ye hear His voice," &c. [ALFORD]."

Hebrews 4 Commentary - Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible

Not only is his "sound bite" rendition of Hebrews 4 wildly dishonest to the text, but it should be noted that Elder111 has presented NO rebuttal to the frequent charge that Seventh Day Adventism is a cult with a distinctively anti-Trinitarian theology. In fact, he has declared that there is nothing wrong with being such a cult!

Mind you, to be called a cult is fine, after all Jesus was called a devil.

That the SDA church is an anti-Trinitarian organization now stands completely unrebutted for two days. Hopefully, the management of this website will duly note that extremely-alarming and outrageous outcome.

 

[Frogster]

What I really don't get is I'm sure they've been reported for such and still continue in the same vane with no problem. Why? They know very well this is their habit and should be policing it hard.

Yes, it was tried on me last night, same ole boring reply, accuasation.

 

[LarryP2]

Yes, it was tried on me last night, same ole boring reply, accuasation.

Don't forget, this ugly, dishonest, venomous smear against Christians is the result of Ellen White allegedly being transported into Heaven in one of her "visions," where she witnessed a "halo" around the 4th Commandment, lifting ONLY that Commandment over and above ANY of the other 9 Commandments in importance.
http://www.bible.ca/7-sabb=highest.htm

That is just Breathtaking and mind-blowing when you consider the obvious and horrific implications of that vision: willfully murdering a person is FAR FAR less serious than violating the Sabbath! And mind you, the Sabbath can be broken by driving a car to church!
Driving on Shabbat in Jewish law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And that disgusting and deceitful false prophet then has the gall to deceitfully smear Christians with being the ones that favor murder!!! And in a truly stomach-churning and horrifying description, she charged Sunday worshiping Christians of being either "The harlot of Babylon" or the "Apostate Daughters of the harlot of Babylon" In other words, Christians that revere the Resurrection above any other event in history are more or less being accused of being agents of Satan. SDA's "flagship" doctrinal presentation, The Great Controversy, is so horrifying and stomach-churning in its depiction of Sunday worship that it has been investigated as a hate crime in Canada:
http://spectrummagazine.org/blog/2011/08/26/will-great-controversy-project-harm-adventism

And this incredibly evil woman clearly DID live her life in accordance with that "vision," with her alarming and horrifying proven record of truly-MASSIVE literary theft and then lying through her teeth that she saw that material "in vision."

 

[VictorC]

Jesus Created the Sabbath, blessed it, sanctified it, before there was a Jew.

Now how many times have you quoted Mark 2:27 lately? Jesus proved beyond all doubt that God's rest wasn't the Sabbath, and you already know that the Sabbath's origin was coincident with the manna experience, which with the Sabbath established the weekly cycle for the children of Israel. Trust me, there were plenty of Jews when the Sabbath was first ordained.

Explain why God said "remember the Sabbath" a made reference to creation week's seventh day?

No such reference exists as you posit. Your fixation on a verb appearing in the present tense doesn't reach back before that verb is used, and your mutant obsession to insert an unBiblical notion shows an incompetent handling of basic linguistic components.

At the very least it appears your post concedes Mark 2:27 doesn't support your weird view.

 

[VictorC]

Yet the daily, weekly and monthly cycles were from the beginning. I think you may find that God made it so.

We've already considered the Biblical record that shows your opinion to be fatally flawed and unsupportable - the reason you toss out opinions without a lick of fact attached to them.

Nehemiah assembled a group of Israeli scholars, who after studying the Book of the Law came to worship God and confess their sins and the sins of their fathers. A subset of those scholars spoke, and as it is recorded in Nehemiah 9:13-14:

"You came down also on Mount Sinai,
And spoke with them from heaven,
And gave them just ordinances and true laws,
Good statutes and commandments.
You made known to them Your holy Sabbath,
And commanded them precepts, statutes and laws,
By the hand of Moses Your servant."​

Each mention of "them" is the children of Israel. Mount Sinai and Moses are principle features of this discourse, which are the source of the Sabbath. It did not exist before Moses.

 

[Elder 111]

VictorC's classification of Elder111's toxic cult mangling of Hebrews 4 as "sound bites" is apt. In NO way can the texts be read to suggest that Christians are still under a Sabbath doctrine as Elder suggests. Nor can it be read to suggest that Sabbath was a creation Ordinance. I have pasted two respectable commentaries on the issue, that completely destroy Elder's mangling. Ultimately, Elder's rendition of the verses rely upon a psychotic woman with a head injury as his authority, NOT the scriptures as he frequently maintains, nor do they rely upon any known respectable Biblical interpretation method:


"As God finished his work, and then rested from it, so he will cause those who believe, to finish their work, and then to enjoy their rest. It is evident, that there is a more spiritual and excellent sabbath remaining for the people of God, than that of the seventh day, or that into which Joshua led the Jews. This rest is, a rest of grace, and comfort, and holiness, in the gospel state. And a rest in glory, where the people of God shall enjoy the end of their faith, and the object of all their desires. The rest, or sabbatism, which is the subject of the apostle's reasoning, and as to which he concludes that it remains to be enjoyed, is undoubtedly the heavenly rest, which remains to the people of God, and is opposed to a state of labour and trouble in this world. It is the rest they shall obtain when the Lord Jesus shall appear from heaven. But those who do not believe, shall never enter into this spiritual rest, either of grace here or glory hereafter. God has always declared man's rest to be in him, and his love to be the only real happiness of the soul; and faith in his promises, through his Son, to be the only way of entering that rest."

I have highlighted some of your quotation. Any reasonable thing christian will be able to see and understand that your premiss is flawed.

1. In verse four it clearly states the seventh day is the subject. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
2. In no way can the text refer to spiritual rest or of faith or of going home with Jesus at His coming. Why? Because God was not in a position where He had to seek heaven or was without faith or heavenly glory. God never had nor will ever have to seek spiritual rest. Text said 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. What will God cease in order to take up spiritual rest? Text says to cease as God did. If it is anything like spiritual rest or heaven then it will mean that God was likewise without. We are to do as God did.Was not God always in Heaven?
3. Your view implies also that God had to seek heaven and salvation through His son. In order for us to do as He did that must be the case on the premise of your argument.

Hebrews 4 - Matthew Henry’s Commentary - Bible Commentary

"Although God had finished His works of creation and entered on His rest from creation long before Moses' time, yet under that leader of Israel another rest was promised, which most fell short of through unbelief; and although the rest in Canaan was subsequently attained under Joshua, yet long after, in David's days, God, in the ninety-fifth Psalm, still speaks of the rest of God as not yet attained. THEREFORE, there must be meant a rest still future, namely, that which "remaineth for the people of God" in heaven, Hebrews 4:3-9 , when they shall rest from their works, as God did from His, Hebrews 4:10 . The argument is to show that by "My rest," God means a future rest, not for Himself, but for us.
finished--Greek, "brought into existence," "made."

So that "My" mean "your". "Made" means "to be made". Text speaks of the pass but we should understand it as future?
In respect to the highlighted piece, it is flawed because it is directly the opposite of what God said. It was not another rest but the same rest. Ex 20: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
God refers to the same creation. Is Mathew Henry greater than God?

4. he spake--God ( Genesis 2:2 ).
God did rest the seventh day--a rest not ending with the seventh day, but beginning then and still continuing, into which believers shall hereafter enter. God's rest is not a rest necessitated by fatigue, nor consisting in idleness, but is that upholding and governing of which creation was the beginning [ALFORD]. Hence Moses records the end of each of the first six days, but not of the seventh.
from all his works--Hebrew, Genesis 2:2 , "from all His work." God's "work" was one, comprehending, however, many "works."

So God don't work? John 5: 17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
If this rest is a spiritual rest, when and how was God working towards spiritual rest?

5. in this place--In this passage of the Psalm again, it is implied that the rest was even then still future.

6. it remaineth--still to be realized.
some must enter--The denial of entrance to unbelievers is a virtual promise of entrance to those that believe. God wishes not His rest to be empty, but furnished with guests ( Luke 14:23 ).
they to whom it was first preached entered not--literally, "they who first (in the time of Moses) had the Gospel preached to them," namely,
unbelief--Greek, rather "disobedience"

7. Again--Anew the promise recurs. Translate as the Greek order is, "He limited a certain day, 'To-day.'" Here Paul interrupts the quotation by, "In (the Psalm of) David saying after so long a time (after five hundred years' possession of Canaan)," and resumes it by, "as it has been said before (so the Greek oldest manuscript, before, namely, Hebrews 3:7 Hebrews 3:15 ), To-day if ye hear His voice," &c. [ALFORD]."

Of course He limited a certain day., a particular, hallowed and sanctified. If you hear His voice harden not your heart against the Sabbath.

Hebrews 4 Commentary - Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible

Not only is his "sound bite" rendition of Hebrews 4 wildly dishonest to the text, but it should be noted that Elder111 has presented NO rebuttal to the frequent charge that Seventh Day Adventism is a cult with a distinctively anti-Trinitarian theology. In fact, he has declared that there is nothing wrong with being such a cult!


That the SDA church is an anti-Trinitarian organization now stands completely unrebutted for two days. Hopefully, the management of this website will duly note that extremely-alarming and outrageous outcome.

No need, God is Judge.

 

[LarryP2]

I have highlighted some of your quotation. Any reasonable thing christian will be able to see and understand that your premiss is flawed.

Those are not "my premises." Those are the relevant sections of commentaries written by respectable Bible Scholars. Which is precisely what you are NOT.

[*]In verse four it clearly states the seventh day is the subject. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

And the respectable Bible scholars sharply disagree with you.

[*]In no way can the text refer to spiritual rest or of faith or of going home with Jesus at His coming. Why? Because God was not in a position where He had to seek heaven or was without faith or heavenly glory. God never had nor will ever have to seek spiritual rest. Text said 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. What will God cease in order to take up spiritual rest? Text says to cease as God did. If it is anything like spiritual rest or heaven then it will mean that God was likewise without. We are to do as God did.Was not God always in Heaven?

And the respectable Bible scholars sharply disagree with you.

[*]Your view implies also that God had to seek heaven and salvation through His son. In order for us to do as He did that must be the case on the premise of your argument.

And the respectable Bible scholars sharply disagree with you. And it is not "my view."

So that "My" mean "your". "Made" means "to be made". Text speaks of the pass but we should understand it as future?

And the respectable Bible scholars sharply disagree with you.

In respect to the highlighted piece, it is flawed because it is directly the opposite of what God said.

And the respectable Bible scholars sharply disagree with you.

It was not another rest but the same rest. Ex 20: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

And the respectable Bible scholars sharply disagree with you.

God refers to the same creation.

And the respectable Bible scholars sharply disagree with you.

So God don't work? John 5: 17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
If this rest is a spiritual rest, when and how was God working towards spiritual rest?

And the respectable Bible scholars sharply disagree with you.

Of course He limited a certain day., a particular, hallowed and sanctified. If you hear His voice harden not your heart against the Sabbath.

And the respectable Bible scholars sharply disagree with you.

And finally, in response to this charge:
"That the SDA church is an anti-Trinitarian organization now stands completely unrebutted for two days. Hopefully, the management of this website will duly note that extremely-alarming and outrageous outcome"

Elder's response was:

No need, God is Judge.

That pretty well settles it then. We have an admittedly anti-Trinitarian cult on here being allowed to proselytize Christians.

 

[VictorC]

I have highlighted some of your quotation. Any reasonable thing christian will be able to see and understand that your premiss is flawed.

1. In verse four it clearly states the seventh day is the subject. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

And the respectable Bible scholars sharply disagree with you.

Stop and read more carefully!

Yes indeed, the seventh day is the actual subject. No need to deflect attention from this. The commentaries agree with this. In fact, the seventh day is the origin of God's rest, as Genesis 2:2 and Hebrews 4:4 both attest to: "on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done".

Where Elder111 departs from the point he makes is in replacing the seventh day with the Sabbath. Even Exodus 20:11 shows that these are disparate nouns that can't be confused with each other. Each noun has characteristics unique to it:

• On the seventh day, God rested - not man.
• On the Sabbath, man rested and offered burnt offerings according to the Law - not God.
• The seventh day is recorded as a single event in history, never to be repeated.
• The sabbath was periodic, repeating on the seventh day of every week after it was ordained.
• The seventh day records a sustaining rest -sabbatismos- that there isn't any record of ending - it is permanent.
• The sabbath ended every week, showing it wasn't permanent.

There's a reason Exodus 20:11 draws on disparate nouns. It is describing two wholly different subjects, and the sentence is structured to show that the former is the reason drawn on to ordain the latter. It is necessary that the impetus precedes the result in such a presentation.

Exodus 20:11
For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The same pattern is found in Deuteronomy 5:15.
And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.

The reason comes before the "therefore" ordaining the result; this is the pivot in both sentences dividing the subjects addressed.
Exodus 20:11 proves that the seventh day of the creation account came before the Sabbath existed, just as Deuteronomy 5:15 proves that the exodus from Egyptian bondage came before the Sabbath existed. The impetus precedes the result in both cases.

It is the God's rest that remains a promise to be attained, as the text of Hebrews 4 and the commentary you provided both explain in clear language. The Sabbath isn't even mentioned in either source material, because the Sabbath isn't the subject.

It is imperative to keep the nouns and their respective subjects straight.
Elder111 relies on one lonely verse in the Law, the reason he always goes back to it no matter what, and he doesn't even understand it. Just how many years has he quoted it, and has never read it? That's a rhetorical question.

 

[Elder 111]

Stop and read more carefully!

Yes indeed, the seventh day is the actual subject. No need to deflect attention from this. The commentaries agree with this. In fact, the seventh day is the origin of God's rest, as Genesis 2:2 and Hebrews 4:4 both attest to: "on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done".

Where Elder111 departs from the point he makes is in replacing the seventh day with the Sabbath. Even Exodus 20:11 shows that these are disparate nouns that can't be confused with each other. Each noun has characteristics unique to it:

• On the seventh day, God rested - not man.
• On the Sabbath, man rested and offered burnt offerings according to the Law - not God.
• The seventh day is recorded as a single event in history, never to be repeated.
• The sabbath was periodic, repeating on the seventh day of every week after it was ordained.
• The seventh day records a sustaining rest -sabbatismos- that there isn't any record of ending - it is permanent.
• The sabbath ended every week, showing it wasn't permanent.

1. So something that happens every week is not permanent? What is it then? Temporary? This a temporary measure, you would have to do it every week for the rest of you life. Sound right to you?
2. Isa.66 (another temporary measure)
   22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
   23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
   

There's a reason Exodus 20:11 draws on disparate nouns. It is describing two wholly different subjects, and the sentence is structured to show that the former is the reason drawn on to ordain the latter. It is necessary that the impetus precedes the result in such a presentation.

Exodus 20:11
For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The same pattern is found in Deuteronomy 5:15.
And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.

The reason comes before the "therefore" ordaining the result; this is the pivot in both sentences dividing the subjects addressed.
Exodus 20:11 proves that the seventh day of the creation account came before the Sabbath existed, just as Deuteronomy 5:15 proves that the exodus from Egyptian bondage came before the Sabbath existed. The impetus precedes the result in both cases.

It is the God's rest that remains a promise to be attained, as the text of Hebrews 4 and the commentary you provided both explain in clear language. The Sabbath isn't even mentioned in either source material, because the Sabbath isn't the subject.

It is imperative to keep the nouns and their respective subjects straight.
Elder111 relies on one lonely verse in the Law, the reason he always goes back to it no matter what, and he doesn't even understand it. Just how many years has he quoted it, and has never read it? That's a rhetorical question.

You can accept the lie or the truth. Your eternal destiny depends on your choice.
For those who are seeking God wholeheartedly, ask yourself the question, what is the big problem with the Sabbath? If there was to be Sabbath no more, why did Jesus not say so? Heb 4: 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
God bless you who seek the truth.

 

[LarryP2]

1. So something that happens every week is not permanent? What is it then? Temporary? This a temporary measure, you would have to do it every week for the rest of you life. Sound right to you?
2. Isa.66 (another temporary measure)
   22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
   23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
   

You can accept the lie or the truth. Your eternal destiny depends on your choice.
For those who are seeking God wholeheartedly, ask yourself the question, what is the big problem with the Sabbath? If there was to be Sabbath no more, why did Jesus not say so? Heb 4: 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
God bless you who seek the truth.

The only way you can get to ANY of Elder111's conclusions is to use the almost unimaginably-boneheaded and totally-discredited "proof text" method of Bible Research. NO legitimate Bible student uses Elder111's method of Bible Study. The disastrous effects of using Elder111's silly "proof text" method of Bible study is outlined here:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7820551/

Seventh Day Adventism's leading Bible Scholar and Theologian has relegated Elder111's silly "proof text" approach to the ash heap of history. It's pretty bad when your own church's top theologian trashes your method of biblical research:

"The traditional Adventist interpretation of Daniel 8:14 was formulated on the basis of what is commonly known as the prooftext method of biblical study and interpretation, which construes Bible passages in terms of what a modern reader thinks to be their import. This method (1) is highly subjective, (2) understands the Bible from the modern reader's cultural, historical, and salvation history perspectives, (3) accepts the Bible in translation as authoritative, (4) makes the reader's personal and group-think presuppositions normative for evaluating data and for (5) drawing conclusions. This method does not require special training or experience, and is followed by a majority of untutored Bible readers. Since the beginning most Adventists have followed this method, but no reputable Bible scholar follows it today."

THE "SANCTUARY DOCTRINE" – ASSET OR LIABILITY

In other words, garbage in, garbage out.

 

[VictorC]

So something that happens every week is not permanent? What is it then? Temporary? This a temporary measure, you would have to do it every week for the rest of you life. Sound right to you?

I suppose you think that Sunday through Friday are the Sabbath, meaning there isn't any end to the periodic Sabbath that keeps repeating over and over. You didn't understand my post, or else you just want to make yourself look bad. Regardless, you question the Law, and as it is Written "if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge".

Isa.66 (another temporary measure)
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

This sound-bite has been answered scores of times already. No one is going to comply with the burnt offerings the new moon and Sabbath share in common, and no one is going to keep the Sabbath according to the Law that ordained it. This passage illustrates the continual worship of the Living God using terms familiar to the audience Isaiah prophesied to.

You can accept the lie or the truth. Your eternal destiny depends on your choice.

I highlighted Elder111's post where he reveals his soteriology that violates the Nicene creed CF uses as their standard to determine Christianity. Elder111 can't help opening the window to his soul at times to reveal he belongs to a non-Christian cult.

For those who are seeking God wholeheartedly, ask yourself the question, what is the big problem with the Sabbath? If there was to be Sabbath no more, why did Jesus not say so? Heb 4: 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
God bless you who seek the truth.

Alert: bad translation. Hebrews 4:8 references Joshua the son of Nun (Numbers 14:30).
Now, you quoted Hebrews 4:8 where it attests to "another day", and this seems to fly right over your head. Obsessing over the Sabbath in a text that has no reference to the Sabbath shows everyone that you have no interest in God's rest.

 

[Elder 111]

I suppose you think that Sunday through Friday are the Sabbath, meaning there isn't any end to the periodic Sabbath that keeps repeating over and over. You didn't understand my post, or else you just want to make yourself look bad. Regardless, you question the Law, and as it is Written "if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge".

This sound-bite has been answered scores of times already. No one is going to comply with the burnt offerings the new moon and Sabbath share in common, and no one is going to keep the Sabbath according to the Law that ordained it. This passage illustrates the continual worship of the Living God using terms familiar to the audience Isaiah prophesied to.

I highlighted Elder111's post where he reveals his soteriology that violates the Nicene creed CF uses as their standard to determine Christianity. Elder111 can't help opening the window to his soul at times to reveal he belongs to a non-Christian cult.

Alert: bad translation. Hebrews 4:8 references Joshua the son of Nun (Numbers 14:30).
Now, you quoted Hebrews 4:8 where it attests to "another day", and this seems to fly right over your head. Obsessing over the Sabbath in a text that has no reference to the Sabbath shows everyone that you have no interest in God's rest.

It's not bad translation. The Greek is translated Jesus in every instance in the NT, but in trying to project an agenda on the part of those who would like to blot out the Sabbath, an attempt is made to used new translations with the name Joshua.
Who want to see will see.

 

[Elder 111]

I can quote the texts but I would like to encourage those who are interested in the truth, to search for how many times the apostles kept the Sabbath in the NT.
One thing is for sure, they never kept Sunday, nor called for it to be a worship day.
Do you know that Sunday is the day that was chosen to worship Baal?
No wonder Jesus and the bible called for Elijah to come back in the last days. He called for the end of Baal or Sun-day worship. Remember mount Carmel.