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I can quote the texts but I would like to encourage those who are interested in the truth, to search for how many times the apostles kept the Sabbath in the NT.
One thing is for sure, they never kept Sunday, nor called for it to be a worship day.
Do you know that Sunday is the day that was chosen to worship Baal?
No wonder Jesus and the bible called for Elijah to come back in the last days. He called for the end of Baal or Sun-day worship. Remember mount Carmel.
If there was honesty to your truth, the Old and New covenants is the deviding line about what God required of Gentile christians. Sabbathkeeping after the cross is where you should start your search. Tell us why there is more sabbathbreaking than sabbathkeeping concerning Jesus and the apostles?
 
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If there was honesty to your truth, the Old and New covenants is the deviding line about what God required of Gentile christians. Sabbathkeeping after the cross is where you should start your search. Tell us why there is more sabbathbreaking than sabbathkeeping concerning Jesus and the apostles?

The First Century Church Fathers denounced the Judaizers as hypocrites. Time and time again, that has been proven correct. Those who want to place the law on Christians always carve out special exemptions for themselves. Odious sociopaths like Ellen White primly denounce the "law haters" at the same time they are virtually operating a 24/7 professional criminal organization.

Proof Texting is grotesquely dishonest to the text. Pathological criminals, hardened pedophiles, and extreme sociopaths are some of the best proof texters I have ever known. Prisons are chuck full of brilliant text manipulators who can "Scripture Sculpt" with the best of them. So many Seventh Day Adventists are in prison in this state, they are the only denomination that has a full-time prison chaplain.

Those who advocate the yoke of the law being placed back on Christians are just simply hypocrites. Hilariously obvious ones at THAT: 99 percent of the time they flaunt the law and live FAR less moral lives that Grace accepting Christians.
 
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The First Century Church Fathers denounced the Judaizers as hypocrites. Time and time again, that has been proven correct. Those who want to place the law on Christians always carve out special exemptions for themselves. Odious sociopaths like Ellen White primly denounce the "law haters" at the same time they are virtually operating a 24/7 professional criminal organization.

Proof Texting is grotesquely dishonest to the text. Pathological criminals, hardened pedophiles, and extreme sociopaths are some of the best proof texters I have ever known. Prisons are chuck full of brilliant text manipulators who can "Scripture Sculpt" with the best of them. So many Seventh Day Adventists are in prison in this state, they are the only denomination that has a full-time prison chaplain.

Those who advocate the yoke of the law being placed back on Christians are just simply hypocrites. Hilariously obvious ones at THAT: 99 percent of the time they flaunt the law and live FAR less moral lives that Grace accepting Christians.
Interesting.
 
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I can quote the texts but I would like to encourage those who are interested in the truth, to search for how many times the apostles kept the Sabbath in the NT.
One thing is for sure, they never kept Sunday, nor called for it to be a worship day.
Do you know that Sunday is the day that was chosen to worship Baal?
No wonder Jesus and the bible called for Elijah to come back in the last days. He called for the end of Baal or Sun-day worship. Remember mount Carmel.
Attendance at religious meetings isn't keeping or proof of keeping the Sabbath. You make religious meetings the Sabbath.
 
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Attendance at religious meetings isn't keeping or proof of keeping the Sabbath. You make religious meetings the Sabbath.

You have missed the point. The meetings are necessary because that is where they gloat, strut and preen over their obvious moral superiority over "Babylon Christians." It is a time for unbridled exulting over their superior understanding of the law, and the thrill of denouncing lesser mortals that have not achieved their high station of moral perfection.
 
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Attendance at religious meetings isn't keeping or proof of keeping the Sabbath. You make religious meetings the Sabbath.
Just as going to Church doesn't make oneself automatically a Christian. The analogy of saying something in a garage must be a car applies pretty well.
 
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It's not bad translation. The Greek is translated Jesus in every instance in the NT, but in trying to project an agenda on the part of those who would like to blot out the Sabbath, an attempt is made to used new translations with the name Joshua.
Who want to see will see.
Translations are dependent on context. Everyone reviewing the context ("who want to see will see") including everything from Young's Literal, Jay Green's Interlinear, 1982 NKJV, etc knows that Iēsous son of Nun is the character depicted in Hebrews 4:8 (had you followed the supplied citation of Numbers 14:30 you would have known this), and not Iēsous of Nazareth. Even the Blue Letter Bible acknowledges 'Joshua' as the proper rendering of Iēsous in Hebrews 4:8.

This is one of the best-known errors in the KJV, and we already pointed out how the SDA church is dependent on a translation error for their "foundation and central pillar of the Advent faith". Your whole religious paradigm depends on error as its reason to exist.

Does anyone have a copy of Jack Blanco's SDA Clear Word Bible to see how it renders Hebrews 4:8? I'm curious to see if this devotion to a translation mistake is exclusive to Elder111, or if it extends to the sect as a whole.
 
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Of course He limited a certain day., a particular, hallowed and sanctified. If you hear His voice harden not your heart against the Sabbath.

So that you can "harden it" against the New Covenant, the Resurrection and Jesus Christ. I have attached my analysis of the Seventh Day Adventist Sabbath philosophy. My responses are in red faced and bold:

"The Sabbath encompasses our entire relationship with God. (Its sure is good that they finally got honest and admitted their relationship with the Sabbath has NOTHING to do with Christ's finished work and Resurrection!!!) It is an indication of God's action on our behalf in the past, present, and future. (The "action on our behalf" of Christ, of course, is not compatible with the Sabbath) The Sabbath protects man's friendship with God and provides the time essential for the development of that relationship. (this is the polar opposite of the New Covenant) The Sabbath clarifies the relationship between God and the human family, for it points to God as Creator at a time when human beings would like to usurp God's position in the universe. (Christianity has always taught that Jesus Christ "clarifies our relationship between God and the Human Family" since he is the redeemer of mankind)

In this age of materialism, the Sabbath points men and women to the spiritual and to the personal. (Christianity has always taught if materialism is the issue, sell all you have and give it to the poor, NOT keep the Sabbath) The consequences for forgetting the Sabbath day to keep it holy are serious. (No clearer proof that Sabbath Keeping is a Salvation by works scheme that is incompatible with Christianity) It will lead to the distortion and eventual destruction of a person's relationship with God. ("I will never leave you or forsake you" Hebrews 13:5)

When the Sabbath is kept, it is a witness to the rest that comes from trusting God alone as our sustainer, as the basis of our salvation, and as the ground of our hope in the future. As such, the Sabbath is a delight because we have entered God's rest and have accepted the invitation to fellowship with Him." (This is 180 degrees OPPOSITE of Christianity!!!)

"When God asks us to remember the Sabbath day He does so because He wants us to remember Him." (In the same way, he took the cup of wine after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant between God and his people--an agreement confirmed with my blood. Do this to remember me as often as you drink it." 1 Corinthians 11:25. The previous Adventist statement is an absolute, unequivocal repudiation of the New covenant. Choose: Either the Sabbath or the Lord's Supper. They do not mix. )

There is not one single word about the Resurrection, the Gospels, or the Cross in the entire article. There is not one indication in the article that the Sabbath will bring you closer to Jesus Christ
Article: The Official Site of the Seventh-day Adventist world church

That a fully-non Trinitarian poster who completely rejects the the rudiments of Christianity is allowed to post on an orthodox Christian part of a Christian site is truly alarming.
 
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The First Century Church Fathers denounced the Judaizers as hypocrites. Time and time again, that has been proven correct. Those who want to place the law on Christians always carve out special exemptions for themselves. Odious sociopaths like Ellen White primly denounce the "law haters" at the same time they are virtually operating a 24/7 professional criminal organization.

Proof Texting is grotesquely dishonest to the text. Pathological criminals, hardened pedophiles, and extreme sociopaths are some of the best proof texters I have ever known. Prisons are chuck full of brilliant text manipulators who can "Scripture Sculpt" with the best of them. So many Seventh Day Adventists are in prison in this state, they are the only denomination that has a full-time prison chaplain.

Those who advocate the yoke of the law being placed back on Christians are just simply hypocrites. Hilariously obvious ones at THAT: 99 percent of the time they flaunt the law and live FAR less moral lives that Grace accepting Christians.
Don't hold back. Just tell us how you really feel.:D
 
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You have missed the point. The meetings are necessary because that is where they gloat, strut and preen over their obvious moral superiority over "Babylon Christians." It is a time for unbridled exulting over their superior understanding of the law, and the thrill of denouncing lesser mortals that have not achieved their high station of moral perfection.
I agree because I'm a frequent flyer to SDA churches.. I feel that they worship 'the day' and 'the 10 commandments' more than they acknowledge the gospel of Jesus Christ.
 
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So that you can "harden it" against the New Covenant, the Resurrection and Jesus Christ. I have attached my analysis of the Seventh Day Adventist Sabbath philosophy. My responses are in red faced and bold:

"The Sabbath encompasses our entire relationship with God. (Its sure is good that they finally got honest and admitted their relationship with the Sabbath has NOTHING to do with Christ's finished work and Resurrection!!!) It is an indication of God's action on our behalf in the past, present, and future. (The "action on our behalf" of Christ, of course, is not compatible with the Sabbath) The Sabbath protects man's friendship with God and provides the time essential for the development of that relationship. (this is the polar opposite of the New Covenant) The Sabbath clarifies the relationship between God and the human family, for it points to God as Creator at a time when human beings would like to usurp God's position in the universe. (Christianity has always taught that Jesus Christ "clarifies our relationship between God and the Human Family" since he is the redeemer of mankind)

In this age of materialism, the Sabbath points men and women to the spiritual and to the personal. (Christianity has always taught if materialism is the issue, sell all you have and give it to the poor, NOT keep the Sabbath) The consequences for forgetting the Sabbath day to keep it holy are serious. (No clearer proof that Sabbath Keeping is a Salvation by works scheme that is incompatible with Christianity) It will lead to the distortion and eventual destruction of a person's relationship with God. ("I will never leave you or forsake you" Hebrews 13:5)

When the Sabbath is kept, it is a witness to the rest that comes from trusting God alone as our sustainer, as the basis of our salvation, and as the ground of our hope in the future. As such, the Sabbath is a delight because we have entered God's rest and have accepted the invitation to fellowship with Him." (This is 180 degrees OPPOSITE of Christianity!!!)

"When God asks us to remember the Sabbath day He does so because He wants us to remember Him." (In the same way, he took the cup of wine after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant between God and his people--an agreement confirmed with my blood. Do this to remember me as often as you drink it." 1 Corinthians 11:25. The previous Adventist statement is an absolute, unequivocal repudiation of the New covenant. Choose: Either the Sabbath or the Lord's Supper. They do not mix. )

There is not one single word about the Resurrection, the Gospels, or the Cross in the entire article. There is not one indication in the article that the Sabbath will bring you closer to Jesus Christ
Article: The Official Site of the Seventh-day Adventist world church

That a fully-non Trinitarian poster who completely rejects the the rudiments of Christianity is allowed to post on an orthodox Christian part of a Christian site is truly alarming.

So in summary. The Sabbath that God created and gave to all mankind, that Christ kept while setting an example for us, is unchristian and unholy? The same Sabbath that Paul kept for one year and a half was an unchristian act on his part? Act 18: 4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
11 And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.
Every Sabbath for 18 months with the Greeks too. How can Paul be so unchristian? He can't make it to heaven?
 
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I agree because I'm a frequent flyer to SDA churches.. I feel that they worship 'the day' and 'the 10 commandments' more than they acknowledge the gospel of Jesus Christ.
So it is better to say grace, grace, grace for to say obey the ten is idolatry?
Who gave the ten again? Was that Baal or some other God?
 
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So in summary. The Sabbath that God created and gave to all mankind, that Christ kept while setting an example for us, is unchristian and unholy? The same Sabbath that Paul kept for one year and a half was an unchristian act on his part? Act 18: 4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
11 And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.
Every Sabbath for 18 months with the Greeks too. How can Paul be so unchristian? He can't make it to heaven?

Isn't it clear from the Sabbath statements from the Seventh Day Adventist Church that the Sabbath is FAR, FAR more important, by many degrees of magnitude, than the Resurrection, the Cross, the Divinity of Christ, and the Trinity combined? It is good that they post their thoughts on the Sabbath: It is very revealing. They have made it CLEAR and CONVINCING how incompatible it is with Christianity.

What is it now? About 70 Trillion Sabbath Posts versus Zero on the Resurrection?
 
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So in summary. The Sabbath that God created and gave to all mankind...
I'm going to try implementing a new policy: When you form an argument based on a known fallacy, the rest of your post is going to be ignored. Erasing the fallacy to get to a conclusion dependent on it requires editing your post to the extent nothing would remain.
 
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Isn't it clear from the Sabbath statements from the Seventh Day Adventist Church that the Sabbath is FAR, FAR more important, by many degrees of magnitude, than the Resurrection, the Cross, the Divinity of Christ, and the Trinity combined? It is good that they post their thoughts on the Sabbath: It is very revealing. They have made it CLEAR and CONVINCING how incompatible it is with Christianity.

What is it now? About 70 Trillion Sabbath Posts versus Zero on the Resurrection?

The Sabbath is the one that is ignored not the resurrection.
 
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The problem is not that Adventist are incorrect on they views of the Sabbath and the ten commandments but that the majority christian world wants nothing to do with God's true requirements.
Here is a quote from Pope Francis Nov. 2013 in Spectrum Magazine entitled: Pope Francis’ Message to the SDA Church
I prefer a Church which is bruised, hurting and dirty because it has been out on the streets, rather than a Church which is unhealthy from being confined and from clinging to its own security. I do not want a Church concerned with being at the center and then ends by being caught up in a web of obsessions and procedures. … In her ongoing discernment, the Church can also come to see that certain customs not directly connected to the heart of the Gospel, even some which have deep historical roots, are no longer properly understood and appreciated. Some of these customs may be beautiful, but they no longer serve as means of communicating the Gospel. We should not be afraid to re-examine them. At the same time, the Church has rules or precepts which may have been quite effective in their time, but no longer have the same usefulness for directing and shaping people’s lives."
I highlighted a section. This I see as the heart of the matter, like the Sabbath who's roots go back to creation, are not now wanted by the majority. Not that it is not required by God but that we don't want it.
 
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When the Sabbath is kept, it is a witness to the rest that comes from trusting God alone as our sustainer, as the basis of our salvation, and as the ground of our hope in the future. As such, the Sabbath is a delight because we have entered God's rest and have accepted the invitation to fellowship with Him.
Article: The Official Site of the Seventh-day Adventist world church
I had not seen this before, and I had to follow your link to see it this really was published on an official Adventist web site. It is!
When the Sabbath is kept, it is a witness to the rest that comes from trusting God alone as our sustainer, as the basis of our salvation, and as the ground of our hope in the future. As such, the Sabbath is a delight because we have entered God's rest and have accepted the invitation to fellowship with Him.
This is where Elder111 gets the mistaken notion that the Sabbath was God's rest. This is where Elder111 confirms his anti-Nicene soteriology based on compliance with the old covenant ordinances. When the official policy is to erase any memory of God's rest and replace it with the Sabbath, they advocate rejection of it by pretending God's rest doesn't remain a promise to His redeemed.

It isn't the individual members who are at fault. It is the official policy of the SDA church to bear false witness.
 
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I had not seen this before, and I had to follow your link to see it this really was published on an official Adventist web site. It is!
When the Sabbath is kept, it is a witness to the rest that comes from trusting God alone as our sustainer, as the basis of our salvation, and as the ground of our hope in the future. As such, the Sabbath is a delight because we have entered God's rest and have accepted the invitation to fellowship with Him.
This is where Elder111 gets the mistaken notion that the Sabbath was God's rest. This is where Elder111 confirms his anti-Nicene soteriology based on compliance with the old covenant ordinances. When the official policy is to erase any memory of God's rest and replace it with the Sabbath, they advocate rejection of it by pretending God's rest doesn't remain a promise to His redeemed.

It isn't the individual members who are at fault. It is the official policy of the SDA church to bear false witness.

There should be no doubt that Adventism teaches Sabbath-Keeping is the method of Salvation. They couldn't be any clearer. There is NOTHING on that page that equivocates: There is NOTHING there that suggests that the Sabbath and the Resurrection are somehow compatible. There is NOTHING that suggests the Sabbath leads to an enhanced understanding or appreciation of the Resurrection.

NOTHING.

It is a clear and unwitting endorsement of the Apostles, who abandoned Sabbath Keeping in the first year after the Resurrection, and began worshiping on Sunday and commemorating Easter. Any Christian that reads that page should be sickened and appalled.

The Resurrection and the Sabbath do not mix.

VictorC: Review the entire lists of do's and don'ts on that webpage. It is howlingly and hilariously hypocritical and completely deaf to their own silliness. Some obvious laughable rules:

1). Big distinction between Adventists who work in Adventist hospitals, versus Adventists who work in identical non-Adventist hospitals. The rank and hilarious hypocrisy fairly oozes out of the self-serving and utterly corrupt analysis. If you are working in and Adventist hospital, passing out medications is fine. Non-Adventist? No Way. And since many non-Adventist hospitals are public entities, Adventists are paying the salaries of people who deliberate work on the Sabbath and break it wholesale. Their paid "employees" are dong "work" that violates the Sabbath;

2). No thought whatsoever is given to the concept that Sabbath Keeping in a modern advanced western democracy is just impossible. It should be painfully-obvious that Sabbath Keeping is totally impossible outside of an agrarian, homogeneous group of distinctive people that share cultural uniqueness. Like who it was actually given to: The Israelites. To keep the Sabbath really does mean shutting down the entire society and everyone in it being as close to motionless as possible. There are pockets of Haridem in Israel that succeed better than anybody else could dream of doing in America. Just don't let them catch you driving (they will throw big rocks at your car); using a cellphone; or using electricity in your house (they go around with binoculars to see if your electric meter is spinning, indicating any usage).

Seventh Day Adventists hypocritically - without ever thinking about the extraordinary irony of their hypocrisy - each pay for THOUSANDS, if not TENS OF THOUSANDS of employees working for them every Sabbath: Police, municipal utilities, ANYONE that works in a public employment situation where work is frequently brought home to work on the weekends. Probably just in the Washington DC area alone, Adventists each contribute to the salaries of likely hundreds of thousands of governmental employees working on the Sabbath. Power Company, electrical company, Internet providers, Natural Gas company.....the list goes on and on. That they IMAGINE they are "keeping the Sabbath" could not be more delusional. Each Adventist pays for hundreds of thousands of soldiers, air force employees, sailors on ships that are employed keeping them safe, who work every single Sabbath. The average Adventist has more paid employees working on the Sabbath than the staffs of ancient Kings and Queens, or even the Egyptian Pharaohs when they were at the height of their power, when thousands of servants were waiting on them hand and foot. Adventists have HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of paid employees (that they pay through their tax dollars) working every single Sabbath. That they are so self-righteous and delusional they think nobody can see through their laughable farce is just remarkable. Among those of who the law was written for, the Sabbath is taken very seriously, unlike the laughable Adventist farce:

"They also permit walking past a house with a motion sensor which switches on a light if the street is already well-lit (not of benefit), but not if it is dark."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_on_Shabbat_in_Jewish_law
 
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VictorC: Review the entire lists of do's and don'ts on that webpage. It is howlingly and hilariously hypocritical and completely deaf to their own silliness.
It just isn't necessary. The emphasis I made in my post focused on how the officially sanctioned publication erased God's rest and replaced it with the Sabbath. This is a foundational departure from the Gospel, and the symptoms built on sand are just paper wrapping over poo. It already failed the smell test, and there isn't anything that can cover that up.
Psalm 11:3
If the foundations are destroyed, What can the righteous do?
 
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