Jesus prophesied that we would be keeping the Sabbath until He returns in Matthew 24

[John Mullally]

Wrong .... the 10 were spoken and written by God Himself and Moses gave the commandments written in stone (unchangeable) by God Himself to the people ... He (God) said to remember it .... so it was obviously in effect prior to Mt. Sanai ....

He said remember it .... so it was established BEFORE Sanai and we know when it was established ... and that was at creation and refers back to it as such ...

Hebrews 4

8For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9There remains, then, a Sabbath rest for the people of God (not just the Jews) . 10For whoever enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same pattern of disobedience.

Hebrews 4:9

sabbatismos: a sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: a sabbath rest
Usage: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

from the root word
sabbaton

sabbaton: the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week)
Original Word: σάββατον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: sabbaton
Phonetic Spelling: (sab'-bat-on)
Definition: the Sabbath, the seventh day (of the week)
Usage: the Sabbath, a week.

Do you think the 10 commandments are only for the Jews? Did Jesus keep the law because He was Jewish ... or .... because He was God in the flesh and upheld all the commandments He had given throughout history?

God gave the law .... not Moses ... and the 7th Day Sabbath established at creation is right in the heart of it.

Hebrews 4 is teaching about entering God's rest through faith, not keeping the Sabbath or any other ordinance (refer to Hebrews 4:1-2 and Galatians 3).

Again, the requirement for Gentile believers to keep the Sabbath was obliterated in Acts 15:23-29 and it was confirmed by Paul years later in Acts 21:24-25. And again, if keeping the Sabbath was important Paul would not have stated Romans 14:5.

 

[John Mullally]

So you think keeping the Sabbath is up to how man chooses to keep it or the way God instructed us? It's not "a" day of rest, the Sabbath is on the seventh day and it is the day to rest from our work so we can keep His day holy. Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13

The days that we esteem over another does not matter, it is what day GOD esteems over the others that do. Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13, Isaiah 66:23 God spoke it with His own mouth Exodus 20, God wrote it with His own finger Exodus 31:18 Jesus kept it His whole life Luke 4:16 as did the apostles Acts 18:4, Acts 14:44, Acts 14:42, Acts 17:2. I have no argument with Paul who said what matters is keeping the commandments of God 1 Cor 7:19 and who was preaching every Sabbath the Word of God to Jews, Gentiles and whole cities.

Jesus kept the Sabbath in part to qualify as sinless per Jewish Law. The apostles kept them as a witness to other Jews. However, the Apostles did not pass that requirement to Gentile believers (Acts 15:23-29 and Romans 14:5). Its not my problem that you cannot accept their judgement.

This whole argument smacks of the zealotry in Acts 19:28.

 

[HIM]

Hebrews 4 is teaching about entering God's rest through faith, not keeping the Sabbath or any other ordinance.

What? Show through the passage of Hebrews 4:1-11 that it is saying that in it’s context.

 

[John Mullally]

So you think keeping the Sabbath is up to how man chooses to keep it or the way God instructed us? It's not "a" day of rest, the Sabbath is on the seventh day and it is the day to rest from our work so we can keep His day holy. Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13

The days that we esteem over another does not matter, it is what day GOD esteems over the others that do. Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13, Isaiah 66:23 God spoke it with His own mouth Exodus 20, God wrote it with His own finger Exodus 31:18 Jesus kept it His whole life Luke 4:16 as did the apostles Acts 18:4, Acts 14:44, Acts 14:42, Acts 17:2. I have no argument with Paul who said what matters is keeping the commandments of God 1 Cor 7:19 and who was preaching every Sabbath the Word of God to Jews, Gentiles and whole cities.

Its commendable that the first century Jewish Christians observed the Sabbath, as they were trying to reach their brethren with the Gospel (1 Corinthians 9:22). The Gentile believers were not required to do so per Acts 15:23-29, Acts 21:24-25, and Romans 14:5. Why do you continue to question Paul's (who wrote half the NT) wisdom on this matter?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Jesus kept the Sabbath in part to qualify as sinless per Jewish Law. The apostles kept them as a witness to other Jews. However, the Apostles did not pass that requirement to Gentile believers (Acts 15:23-29 and Romans 14:5). Its not my problem that you cannot accept their judgement.

This whole argument smacks of the zealotry in Acts 19:28.

The Sabbath is never described as the holy day of the Jews. This is how God describes His Sabbath.

Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God

Isaiah 58:13 If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

Again, your argument appears to be with our Most High.

 

[John Mullally]

What? Show through the passage of Hebrews 4:1-11 that it is saying that in it’s context.

Hebrews 4:1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.​

 

[eleos1954]

Hebrews 4 is teaching about entering God's rest through faith, not keeping the Sabbath or any other ordinance (refer to Hebrews 4:1-2 and Galatians 3).

Again, the requirement for Gentile believers to keep the Sabbath was obliterated in Acts 15:23-29 and it was confirmed by Paul years later in Acts 21:24-25. And again, if keeping the Sabbath was important Paul would not have stated Romans 14:5.

If it was not important why did Jesus keep it?

Paul led by example ... he kept it ... obviously thought it was important ... and so did Jesus and all the other apostles.

so ... all 10 commandments gentiles are not require to adhere to? I mean after all Moses gave them and he was Jewish (from a previous post of yours). so the 10 are just for the Jews?

The Israelites were re-commanded/reminded to keep the Sabbath. The prophets—described as part of the foundation of God’s Church today (Ephesians 2:19-21)—all kept the Sabbath. Jesus Christ came in the flesh and observed the Sabbath (Luke 4:16). All of the apostles, including Paul, observed the seventh-day Sabbath (Acts 17:2). They followed Christ’s example (as should we). And in 1 Corinthians 11:1, Paul said, “Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.”

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Hebrews 4:1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.​

How do you enter into His rest?

Hebrews 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

We have to do something to enter into the rest in Christ. We must cease from our works as God did from His.

When does God cease from His works? This very passage tells us and how people come to understand the seventh day means “everyday” is beyond me.

4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

Which makes sense why we have the verse before:

Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.

This correlates with the Sabbath commandment perfectly.

 

[John Mullally]

The Sabbath is never described as the holy day of the Jews. This is how God describes His Sabbath.

Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God

Isaiah 58:13 If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

Again, your argument appears to be with our Most High.

Again, it does not matter whether it is Holy or not, it is a day. Here is your rebuke from Paul!

Romans 14:5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.​

 

[John Mullally]

If it was not important why did Jesus keep it?

Paul led by example ... he kept it ... obviously thought it was important ... and so did Jesus and all the other apostles.

so ... all 10 commandments gentiles are not require to adhere to? I mean after all Moses gave them and he was Jewish (from a previous post of yours). so the 10 are just for the Jews?

The Israelites were re-commanded/reminded to keep the Sabbath. The prophets—described as part of the foundation of God’s Church today (Ephesians 2:19-21)—all kept the Sabbath. Jesus Christ came in the flesh and observed the Sabbath (Luke 4:16). All of the apostles, including Paul, observed the seventh-day Sabbath (Acts 17:2). They followed Christ’s example (as should we). And in 1 Corinthians 11:1, Paul said, “Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.”

I have answered all of the above in today's posts. It does not matter if Jesus and the Apostles kept the Sabbath, Gentile believers are not required to do so per Acts 15:23-29 and Romans 14:5.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Again, it does not matter whether it is Holy or not, it is a day. Here is your rebuke from Paul!

Romans 14:5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.​

God is the Creator, not the creation. This is not referring to the day GOD esteems over all others. Exodus 20:8 vs Exodus 20:9

 

[John Mullally]

God is the Creator, not the creation. This is not referring to the day GOD esteems over all others. Exodus 20:8 vs Exodus 20:9

Again you present another moot point as per Acts 14:5 believers are not required to observe any days!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Again you present another moot point as per Acts 14:5 believers are not required to observe any days!

Thats your choice to believe, but the saints will be worshipping the Lord on His holy Sabbath for eternity Isaiah 66:23 and if you don't want to keep His Sabbath holy now, God is not going to force anyone to obey Him.

 

[HIM]

Hebrews 4:1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.​

Okay so you can’t do it. That’s okay it is a difficult passage most can’t. With that being a fact why are you saying it says something even though you do not understand the passage well enough to explain it?

 

[eleos1954]

I have answered all of the above in today's posts. It does not matter if Jesus and the Apostles kept the Sabbath, Gentile believers are not required to do so per Acts 15:23-29 and Romans 14:5.

k.... .. Jesus being God in the flesh and kept the Sabbath is not important? ... you and others don't .... hmmmm ok

Different laws for the gentiles? Really?

 

[John Mullally]

Thats your choice to believe, but the saints will be worshipping the Lord on His holy Sabbath for eternity Isaiah 66:23 and if you don't want to keep His Sabbath holy now, God is not going to force anyone to obey Him.

For the hundredth time, per Paul, keeping the Sabbath is not required.

Romans 14:5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.​

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[John Mullally]

k.... .. Jesus being God in the flesh and kept the Sabbath is not important? ... you and others don't .... hmmmm ok

Different laws for the gentiles? Really?

How does Acts 15:23-29 read to you? Frankly Acts 15:24 is a rebuke!

 

[Leaf473]

Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.

To me, that's the key right there.

Do you keep a special day?
Go in peace to love and serve the Lord.

Do you not keep a special day?
Go in peace to love and serve the Lord.

 

[HIM]

Again, it does not matter whether it is Holy or not, it is a day. Here is your rebuke from Paul!

Romans 14:5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.​

And once again the Sabbath is not mentioned. So you assume that it is or are you just adding to the Word of God? Do you think God needs your help?

 

[HIM]

Hebrews 4:1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.​

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Okay so you can’t do it. That’s okay it is a difficult passage most can’t. With that being a fact why are you saying it says something even though you do not understand the passage well enough to explain it?