Jesus prophesied that we would be keeping the Sabbath until He returns in Matthew 24

[John Mullally]

Which is why you have to read it in context. It is referring to food and judging, not the holy day of the Lord thy God.

Romans 14:3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them


Yes, lets look at the Great Commission....
Great Commission includes the phrase "teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you"

What did the apostles observe..... why because it is what Jesus commanded them! Which is why Paul preaches what matters is keeping the commandments of God 1 Cor 7:19 and that includes the Sabbath that he and the apostles observed long after Jesus ascended back to heaven.


But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
- Acts 13:14

For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
- Acts 13:27

And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
- Acts 13:42

And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
- Acts 13:44

For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
- Acts 15:21

And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
- Acts 16:13

And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
- Acts 17:2

And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
- Acts 18:4

You make my point: The fact that Romans 14:3 says "The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not," reflects the fact that the Gentile believers were not commanded to abstain from Jewish unclean foods in Acts 15:23-29.

As you know, getting together on the Sabbath does not mean Keeping the Sabbath.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You make my point: The fact that Romans 14:3 says "The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not," reflects the fact that the Gentile believers were not commanded to abstain from Jewish unclean foods in Acts 15:23-29.

As you know, getting together on the Sabbath does not mean Keeping the Sabbath.

Does it say they are talking about unclean foods? God already deemed the foods we can eat so you are adding that to the scripture.

The apostles were not just "getting together on the Sabbath" it shows a pattern of what the apostles were doing every Sabbath- reading the Word of God, preaching the Word of God, prayer, reasoning with the scriptures, preaching the Word of God to whole cities, Jews and Gentiles. This is exactly keeping the Sabbath commandment as it is a holy convocation Leviticus 23:3 and making the day about God doing His ways Isaiah 58:13 and not our own thus keeping the commandment. Exodus 20:8

The apostles were observing the Sabbath and keeping the commandments of God just like Jesus did and taught. Luke 4:16, John 15:10, John 14:15, Matthew 5:19-30, Matthew 15:3-9, Matthew 19:17-19

 

[BobRyan]

And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
- Acts 18:4

As you know, getting together on the Sabbath does not mean Keeping the Sabbath.

1. Gathering for worship and Gospel preaching "every Sabbath" is not the "sign" of ignoring the Sabbath.
2. Not even one such text for "week day 1".

 

[BobRyan]

The fact that Romans 14:3 says "The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not," reflects the fact that the Gentile believers were not commanded to abstain from Jewish unclean foods in Acts 15:23-29. .

nope - Rom 14 contrasts the weak in faith vs the strong in faith. He does not argue that the weak in faith are the Jews.

in 1 Cor 8 it is the Jews that are strong and are eating everything and the gentiles that are weak in faith and are only eating vegetables. That is the issue Paul is addressing in Rom 14.

Now concerning food sacrificed to idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge makes one conceited, but love edifies people. 2 If anyone thinks that he knows anything, he has not yet known as he ought to know; 3 but if anyone loves God, he is known by Him.

4 Therefore, concerning the eating of food sacrificed to idols, we know that an idol is nothing at all in the world, and that there is no God but one. 5 For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6 yet for us there is only one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

7 However, not all people have this knowledge; but some, being accustomed to the idol until now, eat food as if it were sacrificed to an idol; and their conscience, being weak, is defiled.
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For newly converted gentiles, used to engaging in the idol worship practices of paganism their conscience is weak and defiled if they eat anything pertaining to their old temple worship.

8 Now food will not bring us close to God; we are neither the worse if we do not eat, nor the better if we do eat. 9 But take care that this freedom of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak. 10 For if someone sees you, the one who has knowledge, dining in an idol’s temple, will his conscience, if he is weak, not be strengthened to eat things sacrificed to idols? 11 For through your knowledge the one who is weak is ruined, the brother or sister for whose sake Christ died. 12 And so, by sinning against the brothers and sisters and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if food causes my brother to sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause my brother to sin.​

 

[BobRyan]

Romans 14:5 is referring to "day", not "feast day". Nice try. .

Observes the day... (each one of the feast days is a day).

Gal 4 condemns the observance of even one pagan day. Not even one is allowed in Gal 4.

The days being approved in Rom 14 can't be among the days condemned in Gal 4.

The only "list of days" in the Bible where all are approved - is the list in Lev 23.

And Paul says some folks observe one of those annual days above the other - while another person observes them all.

 

[John Mullally]

Does it say they are talking about unclean foods? God already deemed the foods we can eat so you are adding that to the scripture.

Unclean foods are specified in the Mosaic Law. Acts 15:23-29 lists the set of Mosaic Laws compiled by the Apostles that the Gentile Believers are required to keep. In Acts 15:23-29, the fact that moral laws, outside of abstaining from sexual immorality, are not listed is not surprising as born-again Gentile Believers are not lacking conscience and don't need to be told not to kill, lie, steal, covet, disrespect God, etc.

What the Gentile believers were lacking is an understanding of Jewish laws and whether they are required to keep those. Are Gentile believers required to keep Jewish dietary laws, be circumcised, keep the Sabbath, keep Jewish feasts, sacrifice, tithe? The letter in Acts 15:23-29 lists the Mosaic Laws specific to Judaism that the Gentile believers were to keep. Effectively, the Apostles decided that the Gentile believers do not have to convert to Judaism.

Romans 14:5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.
​

The apostles were observing the Sabbath and keeping the commandments of God just like Jesus did and taught.

In Acts 21, Paul was falsely accused of teaching Jewish believers, who were living among Gentiles, of forsaking Moses and not abiding by Jewish customs. This perception was largely attributed to the fact that Gentile believers among them were not required to keep Jewish customs. These Gentile believers did not forsake Moses, because the Apostles never commanded them to keep more than a few Jewish customs.

Acts 21:20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord. And they said to him, “You see, brother, how many myriads of Jews there are who have believed, and they are all zealous for the law; 21 but they have been informed about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs. 22 What then? The assembly must certainly meet, for they will hear that you have come. 23 Therefore do what we tell you: We have four men who have taken a vow. 24 Take them and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads, and that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you are nothing, but that you yourself also walk orderly and keep the law. 25 But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided that they should observe no such thing, except that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.”​

 

[John Mullally]

Observes the day... (each one of the feast days is a day).

Gal 4 condemns the observance of even one pagan day. Not even one is allowed in Gal 4.

The days being approved in Rom 14 can't be among the days condemned in Gal 4.

The only "list of days" in the Bible where all are approved - is the list in Lev 23.

And Paul says some folks observe one of those annual days above the other - while another person observes them all.

The Sabbath day is a day that Jews esteem above others as Moses told them to keep it Holy. And since the church at the time Romans was written included many Gentile believers who were not required to keep most of the Mosaic Law (per Acts 15:23-29), there would be some believers that do not esteem one day (Sabbath or feast day) above another. Romans was not written to pagans.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Unclean foods are specified in the Mosaic Law. Acts 15:23-29 lists the set of Mosaic Laws compiled by the Apostles that the Gentile Believers are required to keep. In Acts 15:23-29, the fact that moral laws, outside of abstaining from sexual immorality, are not listed is not surprising as born-again Gentile Believers are not lacking conscience and don't need to be told not to kill, lie, steal, covet, disrespect God, etc.

What the Gentile believers were lacking is an understanding of Jewish laws and whether they are required to keep those. Are Gentile believers required to keep Jewish dietary laws, be circumcised, keep the Sabbath, keep Jewish feasts, sacrifice, tithe? The letter in Acts 15:23-29 lists the Mosaic Laws specific to Judaism that the Gentile believers were to keep. Effectively, the Apostles decided that the Gentile believers do not have to convert to Judaism.

Romans 14:5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.
​

In Acts 21, Paul was falsely accused of teaching Jewish believers, who were living among Gentiles, of forsaking Moses and not abiding by Jewish customs. This perception was largely attributed to the fact that Gentile believers among them were not required to keep Jewish customs. These Gentile believers did not forsake Moses, because the Apostles never commanded them to keep more than a few Jewish customs.

Acts 21:20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord. And they said to him, “You see, brother, how many myriads of Jews there are who have believed, and they are all zealous for the law; 21 but they have been informed about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs. 22 What then? The assembly must certainly meet, for they will hear that you have come. 23 Therefore do what we tell you: We have four men who have taken a vow. 24 Take them and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads, and that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you are nothing, but that you yourself also walk orderly and keep the law. 25 But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided that they should observe no such thing, except that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.”​

You are not addressing the scriptures. Circumcision is not in the Ten Commandments, and this is what Paul says in regard to circumcision compared to keeping the commandments of God.

1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters. Which is why we see the apostles observing the Sabbath commandment every Sabbath.

We keep going in circles so I am going to leave it as agree to disagree and Jesus is coming soon and He is the one you need to convince why you think you do not need to keep the commandments of God which includes the Sabbath.

 

[eleos1954]

You make my point: The fact that Romans 14:3 says "The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not," reflects the fact that the Gentile believers were not commanded to abstain from Jewish unclean foods in Acts 15:23-29.

As you know, getting together on the Sabbath does not mean Keeping the Sabbath.

Again ... Jesus says

“The Sabbath was made for man (mankind), not man for the Sabbath.” Mark 2:27

Not just the Jews .... made for mankind.

Why did Jesus keep the 7th day Sabbath? Because he was a "Jew", or because it is a commandment? Once again ... if Jesus had not kept the 7th day Sabbath ... would He had sinned? (2nd or 3rd time I've asked you this question) and still no answer.

Keeping the 7th day Sabbath ... Jesus is our example in that. He rested, He taught, He healed ... He honored the Father.

There is such a thing as context ...

The context in Romans 14:3 is about judging one another ... and no we are not to do that ... judgement is entirely up to Jesus.

“Also the sons of the foreigner (gentiles) who join themselves to the LORD, to serve Him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be His servants—everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, and holds fast My covenant—even them I will bring to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My house of prayer. … For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations”Isaiah 56:6-(7)

The 7th day sabbath is a covenant between God and all His people ... (not just the Jews)

Sabbath: It identifies God! The very day which God set aside for assembly and worship points as a memorial to whom we are to worship—the Creator and Ruler of all that exists!

The Sabbath also was given as a sign that identifies who the people of God are. Not only does this special covenant say, "that you may know that I am the Lord," but it also says, "that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you" (Exodus 31:13).

Sanctify means "to set apart for holy use or purpose." On the seventh day of creation week, God sanctified the Sabbath day—He set it apart for holy use. By adding the phrase "who sanctifies you," God says the Sabbath is a sign that He also sanctifies those who are His people. He sets them apart from other people as His, for His holy purpose.

Does God not sanctify all people that are His regardless of what their ethnic background is? Yes He does.

So the Sabbath identifies both who God is and who God's people are!

Also as a note ... Jesus resurrected on the 7th day Sabbath morning.

The Sabbath begins at nightfall on Friday and lasts until nightfall on Saturday.

 

[John Mullally]

You are not addressing the scriptures. Circumcision is not in the Ten Commandments, and this is what Paul says in regard to circumcision compared to keeping the commandments of God.

1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters. Which is why we see the apostles observing the Sabbath commandment every Sabbath.

We keep going in circles so I am going to leave it as agree to disagree and Jesus is coming soon and He is the one you need to convince why you think you do not need to keep the commandments of God which includes the Sabbath.

Circumcision was a commandment to the Jews, but here Paul writing mainly to Gentile believers lists it as not a commandment. This shows that many commandments to the Jews are not commandments to Gentile believers - which is what the Jerusalem Decree (Acts 15:23-29) states.

Almost all Jewish Ceremonial ordinances, like keeping the Sabbath, Jewish feasts, tithes, sacrificing animals, etc. are not commandments to Gentile believers. This is backed up by the Jerusalem Decree and Romans 14:5. If keeping the Sabbath or if keeping feast days was required of Gentile believers, then all believers would necessarily esteem some days above others - but that is not the case.

Examples of Gentiles hearing teaching on the Sabbath are not examples of them necessarily keeping the Sabbath. And like I said, there is nothing specific in Acts or the Epistles commanding Gentile believers to keep the Sabbath. If that was important, it would be written.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Circumcision was a commandment to the Jews, but here Paul writing mainly to Gentile believers lists it as not a commandment. This shows that many commandments to the Jews are not commandments to Gentile believers - which is what the Jerusalem Decree (Acts 15:23-29) states.

Almost all Jewish Ceremonial ordinances, like keeping the Sabbath, Jewish feasts, tithes, sacrificing animals, etc. are not commandments to Gentile believers. This is backed up by the Jerusalem Decree and Romans 14:5. If keeping the Sabbath or if keeping feast days was required of Gentile believers, then all believers would necessarily esteem some days above others - but that is not the case.

Examples of Gentiles hearing teaching on the Sabbath are not examples of them necessarily keeping the Sabbath. And like I said, there is nothing specific in Acts or the Epistles commanding Gentile believers to keep the Sabbath. If that was important, it would be written.

The Sabbath is not a ceremonial ordinance, but one of the Ten Commandments Exodus 34:28 written by God Exodus 31:18, spoken by God Exodus 20 kept in the Most Holy of God's Temple. You keep calling it something than what it really is does not change this very important fact. Like I said before if you do not want to observe the holy day of the Lord thy God now, not sure your mind is going to change in heaven Isaiah 66:23 and God is not going to force someone to do something against their will.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God , nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

 

[John Mullally]

The Sabbath is not a ceremonial ordinance, but one of the Ten Commandments Exodus 34:28 written by God Exodus 31:18, spoken by God Exodus 20 kept in the Most Holy of God's Temple. You keep calling it something than what it really is does not change this very important fact. Like I said before if you do not want to observe the holy day of the Lord thy God now, not sure your mind is going to change in heaven Isaiah 66:23 and God is not going to force someone to do something against their will.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God , nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

The Sabbath is a Ceremonial ordinance in that it is not an inner moral law discoverable by conscience - it is a Jewish Law given strictly to the Jews. Per Acts 15:23-29 and Acts 21:24-25, it was not given to Gentile believers.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The Sabbath is a Ceremonial ordinance in that it is not an inner moral law discoverable by conscience - it is a Jewish Law given strictly to the Jews. Per Acts 15:23-29 and Acts 21:24-25, it was not given to Gentile believers.

God said it is His commandment, so I believe God. Exodus 20, Exodus 20:8-11, Exodus 20:6, Exodus 34:28, Exodus 31:18, Luke 23:56 and there is no scripture saying you can break a commandment of God I am not the one that needs to be convinced what God said so clear is not true. The scripture you provided does not say that either.

Right in the Ten Commandments God identified His commandments as commandments, not ordinances. And the commandments came in a covenant of Ten- not one or nine.

Exodus 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Written by God's own finger:
Exodus 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.


The Ten Commandments
20 And God spoke all these words, saying:

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.

4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

13 “You shall not murder.

14 “You shall not commit adultery.

15 “You shall not steal.

16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

I find it heart-breaking the lengths people go through to disregard clear scripture on God's holy Sabbath that Jesus said was made for mankind Mark 2:27. If God wanted us to keep Tuesday holy, who are we to countermanded what God asks of us considering everything He has done for us including giving us life and a chance for eternal life. To ask that we obey Him seems so little in comparison.

For this is the love of God that we keep His commandments, and His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3

Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God

Never once described as the Sabbath of the Jews, it is the holy day of the Lord thy God and we are made in His image to follow Him.

 

[John Mullally]

God said it is His commandment, so I believe God. Exodus 20, Exodus 20:8-11, Exodus 20:6, Exodus 34:28, Exodus 31:18, Luke 23:56 and there is no scripture saying you can break a commandment of God I am not the one that needs to be convinced what God said so clear is not true. The scripture you provided does not say that either.

Right in the Ten Commandments God identified His commandments as commandments, not ordinances. And the commandments came in a covenant of Ten- not one or nine.

Exodus 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Written by God's own finger:
Exodus 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.


The Ten Commandments
20 And God spoke all these words, saying:

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.

4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

13 “You shall not murder.

14 “You shall not commit adultery.

15 “You shall not steal.

16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

I find it heart-breaking the lengths people go through to disregard clear scripture on God's holy Sabbath that Jesus said was made for mankind Mark 2:27. If God wanted us to keep Tuesday holy, who are we to countermanded what God asks of us considering everything He has done for us including giving us life and a chance for eternal life. To ask that we obey Him seems so little in comparison.

For this is the love of God that we keep His commandments, and His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3

Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God

Never once described as the Sabbath of the Jews, it is the holy day of the Lord thy God and we are made in His image to follow Him.

You think you are doing God's work by insisting that Christians go back to strict adherence of the Sabbath, but you don't have good scriptural grounds. As I have shown:

1. The Apostles did not require that the Gentile believers keep the Mosaic Law outside of four ordinances per Acts 15:23-29. The fact that they did not list the moral laws of conscience (like do not steal, kill, lie, covet, dishonor God) in that decree only goes to show (a) that those go without saying and (b) that was outside the scope of discussion. Remember the letter was written to undo the damage of legalists who troubled Gentile believers by requiring they keep the myriad Mosaic Laws.
2. There is no command that Gentile believers keep the Sabbath in Acts & the Epistles. The fact that teaching commonly occurred on the Sabbath is of no significance.
3. In Romans 14:5, Paul states that it is acceptable for some to not esteem one day above another - which condition can only occur if one does not keep the Sabbath.
4. Paul confirms the Jerusalem Decree (Acts 15:23-29) by repeating its decision in Acts 21:24-25. In the verses prior, we see the contrast as Jewish believers were expected to keep the Mosaic Law.
5. Let Acts 15:24 serve as a warning to you about giving offense - "keep the law - to whom we gave no such commandment".

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You think you are doing God's work by insisting that Christians go back to strict adherence of the Sabbath, but you don't have good scriptural grounds. As I have shown:

1. The Apostles did not require that the Gentile believers keep the Mosaic Law outside of four ordinances per Acts 15:23-29. The fact that they did not list the moral laws of conscience (like do not steal, kill, lie, covet, dishonor God) in that decree only goes to show (a) that those go without saying and (b) that was outside the scope of discussion. Remember the letter was written to undo the damage of legalists who troubled Gentile believers by requiring they keep the myriad Mosaic Laws.
2. There is no command that Gentile believers keep the Sabbath in Acts & the Epistles. The fact that teaching commonly occurred on the Sabbath is of no significance.
3. In Romans 14:5, Paul states that it is acceptable for some to not esteem one day above another - which condition can only occur if one does not keep the Sabbath.
4. Paul confirms the Jerusalem Decree (Acts 15:23-29) by repeating its decision in Acts 21:24-25. In the verses prior, we see the contrast as Jewish believers were expected to keep the Mosaic Law.
5. Let Acts 15:24 serve as a warning to you about giving offense - "keep the law - to whom we gave no such commandment".

I am not sure if you realize this but you never actually address any scripture that is posted to you but instead revert back to the same scripture Acts 15 that has been addressed multiple times. Nor have you addressed this question- if you do not want to worship the Lord now on His holy Sabbath day, what makes you think you will suddenly want to heaven because the Sabbath will remain as God’s chosen day of worship according to the Lord. Isaiah 66:22-23

Since you didn’t respond back from my previous post in regards to God declaring His Sabbath as His commandment, not an ordinance as you claimed, there is no scripture that says we can break the commandments of God. The commandments came in a unit of Ten Exodus 34:28 and not one or nine so either you accept them or reject them all James 2:10-12, Matthew 5:19 and according to your logic we can worship other gods since that is not in Acts 15:23-29 so I will let you sort that out with our Most High. God determines what we should obey and He did, only His righteousness counts. Psalms 119:172 It’s just a matter if we choose to believe Him or not. I don’t see the Ten Commandments as being multiple choice or suggestions.

God bless you in seeking His Word. I think the scriptures in this thread has addressed Acts 15 so I won’t continue responding to this argument any further unless you have something new to add and my hope if for all of us to worship Him in Truth and Spirit. John 4:23-24.

 

[John Mullally]

I am not sure if you realize this but you never actually address any scripture that is posted to you but instead revert back to the same scripture Acts 15 that has been addressed multiple times. The Bible consists of 66 books and not just one chapter.

Since you didn’t respond back from my previous post in regards to God declaring His Sabbath as His commandment, not an ordinance as you claimed, there is no scripture that says we can break the commandments of God. The commandments came in a unit of Ten Exodus 34:28 and not one or nine so either you accept them or reject them all James 2:10-12, Matthew 5:19 and according to your logic we can worship other gods since that is not in Acts 15:23-29 so I will let you sort that out with our Most High. God determines what we should obey and He did, only His righteous counts. Psalms 119:172 It’s just a matter if we choose to believe Him or not. I don’t see the Ten Commandments as multiple choice or suggestions.

God bless you in seeking His Word. I think the scriptures in this thread has addressed Acts 15 so I won’t continue responding to this argument any further unless you have something new to add and my hope if for all of us to worship Him in Truth and Spirit. John 4:23-24. If you

Keep in mind that the OT was written to Jews who though many loved God were not born-again (Matthew 11:11). Acts and the Epistles are written to New Covenant believers. Although there is plenty to be gleaned from the OT especially when referenced within the NT, not everything applies (for example the Levitical priesthood is gone). The resurrection and rise of the Church in Acts 2 are game changers. The Gospels are a mix as we see the transition to the New Covenant - at first Jesus ministers to Jews and demonstrates the love of God in healing and at the end of His ministry He is primarily focused on His disciples and their carrying on His work - and all through He is dealing with self-righteous legalists among other things accusing Him of breaking the Sabbath.

Try to avoid mushing everything between the OT, the Gospels, and Acts and the Epistles together. Acts and the Epistles are specifically written to New Covenant believers and thus takes precedence.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Keep in mind that the OT was written to Jews who though many loved God were not born-again (Matthew 11:11). Acts and the Epistles are written to New Covenant believers. Although there is plenty to be gleaned from the OT especially when referenced within the NT, not everything applies (for example the Levitical priesthood is gone). The resurrection and rise of the Church in Acts 2 are game changers. The Gospels are a mix as we see the transition to the New Covenant - at first Jesus ministers to Jews and demonstrates the love of God in healing and at the end of His ministry He is primarily focused on His disciples and their carrying on His work.

Try to avoid mushing everything between the OT, the Gospels, and Acts and the Epistles together. Acts and the Epistles are specifically written to New Covenant believers and thus takes precedence.

All scripture is God-breathed 2 Timothy 3:16-17 Jesus and the apostles taught on the Old Testament so not sure I’m understanding your point about being mushed together.

God never made a covenant with the Gentiles but Gentiles are grafted into God’s New Covenant promise, in which God wrote His laws in our hearts and minds Hebrews 8:10 which is repeated verbatim from the Old Testament. Jeremiah 31:33. I would not want to write myself out of God’s New Covenant promise and when you are grafted in, it comes with His commandments along with the promises. We don’t get to select just the promises and decide not to keep the laws. You could trying but considering the clear scripture on how we should keep the commandments of God all throughout the entire bible and right before Jesus comes, its not a decision I would make if one is wanting to make God first in their life. Sins is the transgression of God’s law 1 John 3:4 and Paul points to the Ten Commandments as defining sin when breaking Romans 7:7 selfishness is the root to all sin, doing our will over the will of God. Jesus has this warning which I think we should take seriously Matthew 7:21-23. We shouldn’t keep the law to be saved, we should keep them because it is a fruit of ones faith and through love. Romans 3:31 Revelation 14:12 1 John 5:3, John 14:15, Exodus 20:6

 

[John Mullally]

All scripture is God-breathed 2 Timothy 3:16-17 Jesus and the apostles taught on the Old Testament so not sure I’m understanding your point about being mushed together. God never made a covenant with the Gentiles but Gentiles are grafted into God’s New Covenant promise, in which God wrote His laws in our hearts and minds Hebrews 8:10 which is repeated verbatim from the Old Testament. Jeremiah 31:33. I would not want to write myself out of God’s New Covenant promise and when you are grafted in, it comes with His commandments along with the promises. We don’t get to select just the promises and decide not to keep the laws. You could trying but considering the clear scripture on how we should keep the commandments of God of all all throughout the entire bible and right before Jesus comes, its not a decision I would make if one is wanting to make God first in their life. Sins is the transgression of God’s law 1 John 3:4 and Paul points to the Ten Commandments as defining sin when breaking Romans 7:7 selfishness is the root to all sin, doing our will over the will of God. Jesus has this warning which I think we should take seriously Matthew 7:21-23. We shouldn’t keep the law to be saved, we should keep them because it is a fruit of ones faith and through love. Romans 3:31 Revelation 14:12 1 John 5:3, John 14:15, Exodus 20:6

The portions of the OT that are specified as being cancelled in Acts and the Epistles as we see in Acts 15:23-29 are to be recognized as no longer applying. I am sure you have done some of that as I don't know of any Christians participating in animal sacrifice due to Christ's work. If the teaching in Acts 15:23-29 upsets you, that's a red flag - you are out of sync with the Apostles. I encounter no red flags hearing the OT law as I have no problem reconciling OT demands with the teaching in Acts and the Epistles that are written to me and which trump anything from the Old Covenant.

And I think your thinking is mushy as you do not give strong preference to Acts and the Epistles over the OT. No one is saved by keeping the law (which is the focus of the OT) and Acts 15:23-29 signifies that much of the law including keeping the Sabbath does not apply to Gentile believers.

To put your opposition in perspective, from Wikipedia: Traditionally, the church (SDA) has taught that the Second Coming will be preceded by a global crisis with the Sabbath as a central issue.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The portions of the OT that are specified as being cancelled in Acts and the Epistles as we see in Acts 15:23-29 are to be recognized as no longer applying. I am sure you have done some of that as I don't know of any Christians participating in animal sacrifice due to Christ's work. If the teaching in Acts 15:23-29 upsets you, that's a red flag - you are out of sync with the Apostles. I encounter no red flags hearing the OT law as I have no problem reconciling OT demands with the teaching in Acts and the Epistles that are written to me and which trump anything from the Old Covenant.

And I think your thinking is mushy as you do not give strong preference to Acts and the Epistles over the OT. No one is saved by keeping the law (which is the focus of the OT) and Acts 15:23-29 signifies that much of the law including keeping the Sabbath does not apply to Gentile believers.

To put your opposition in perspective, from Wikipedia: Traditionally, the church (SDA) has taught that the Second Coming will be preceded by a global crisis with the Sabbath as a central issue.

None of the scriptures upset me, not sure why you would say such a thing. The apostles taught on the commandments of God and on the Sabbath so perhaps I am the one that is out of synch here, and you still didn't address my question, the scriptures or my post, just back to Acts which has been addressed more than once.

Yes, as an SDA we do believe according to the scripture there will be a global crisis which appears to be not far off the mark the way things are going. Revelation 14 tells us we need to come out of Babylon our false teaching as we are told to worship Him in Truth and Spirit. John 4:23-24 this is a last warning call, and it also shows the saints keep the commandments of God and faith in Jesus Revelation 14:12 until Jesus returns Revelation 22:14-15. I am pretty sure saints is not spelled Jew, just like man is not spelled Jew Mark 2:27 or all flesh is not spelled Jew Isaiah 66:22-23 and the Sabbath of the Lord thy God does not say Sabbath of the Jews.

I can only speak for myself, but I really hope to be able to stand when Jesus returns and be one of His saints and I will pray we will all be there.

Take care.

 

[John Mullally]

1. Gathering for worship and Gospel preaching "every Sabbath" is not the "sign" of ignoring the Sabbath.
2. Not even one such text for "week day 1".

Wrong. Believers met on Sunday in Acts 20:7 and 1 Corinthians 16:2.