Jesus prophesied that we would be keeping the Sabbath until He returns in Matthew 24

[HIM]

Our flight up the hills of Judea you mean? So which part is a metaphor and which part is literal? Are you suggesting during these times we need to get to jerusalem so we may take this flight up the mountains and pray it's not the sabbath or winter? You are missing the point and focused on the wrong parts. It's not about the flight or which day/season it occurs on.

Here is the text.
Matt 24:16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains;
Which implies some may be in Judea but not all. Don't add what is not.

 

[John Mullally]

Here is the text.
Matt 24:16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains;
Which implies some may be in Judea but not all. Don't add what is not.

This instruction is strictly for those in Judea. As is verse 20.

 

[DamianWarS]

Here is the text.
Matt 24:16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains;
Which implies some may be in Judea but not all. Don't add what is not.

Where are we going in our flight then? Is this hypothetical place literal or abstract?

 

[DamianWarS]

Luke 21:20 (KJV) And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Some rest on Saturday, some rest on Sunday. When Jerusalem was being surrounded by an army, the residents were supposed to flee for their lives, not turning back for their possessions. The Roman army laid siege to Jerusalem in 70 AD. They began about the time of Passover to entrap Jewish pilgrims in town for the festival. The Jewish historian Flavius Josephus recorded an account of this military campaign. General Titus cut off their supply routes, starved the Jews, then destroyed their city using catapults, siege ramps and rams. The Jewish Christians who saw the army approaching had a brief chance to flee. By one account they fled to the mountains around Pella in Jordan. This Roman campaign was the destruction of Jerusalem, not the end of the world. Jewish survivors were forced to work as slaves.

Biblical prophecies tend to be layered and get repeated over time. They can point to both a litteral event and also an abstract event. The 70 AD event would be literal but I believe it also points to a more abstract event. For example the law itself is very literal but ultimately points to a more abstract system under Christ.

 

[John Mullally]

no ... what matters is what His Word says .... the Jews were 1-rebellious and 2-did not have full understanding of the scriptures

Isaiah 56:6

New King James Version
“Also the sons of the foreigner Who join themselves to the LORD, to serve Him, And to love the name of the LORD, to be His servants— Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, And holds fast My covenant—

The fact that the Jews for the most part missed Jesus does not matter - as the Jews are experts on the Mosaic Law. Remember Moses was the first to introduce keeping the Sabbath and did so in depth per Exodus 20:8-11. To say that Keeping the Sabbath was not part of the Mosaic Law is ludicrous.

Being that the 10 commandments are part of the Mosaic Laws: Per Acts 15:23-29 the requirement to keep the Sabbath was not imposed on Gentile believers by the Jerusalem Council. The decision of the Jerusalem Council (Acts 15:23-29) is in scripture and among others was supported by Peter, Paul, and James the brother of Jesus. Indeed, what matters is what the word says, and it says (per Acts 15:23-29) that Gentile believers are not required to keep the Sabbath!

 

[Leaf473]

The fact that the Jews for the most part missed Jesus does not matter - as the Jews are experts on the Mosaic Law. Remember Moses was the first to introduce keeping the Sabbath and did so in depth per Exodus 20:8-11. To say that Keeping the Sabbath was not part of the Mosaic Law is ludicrous.

Being that the 10 commandments are part of the Mosaic Laws: Per Acts 15:23-29 the requirement to keep the Sabbath was not imposed on Gentile believers by the Jerusalem Council. The decision of the Jerusalem Council (Acts 15:23-29) is in scripture and among others was supported by Peter, Paul, and James the brother of Jesus. Indeed, what matters is what the word says, and it says (per Acts 15:23-29) that Gentile believers are not required to keep the Sabbath!

That's an interesting line of thought.

The believing Pharisees said the gentiles had to keep the law of Moses.

The ten commandments are part of the law of Moses.

The apostles and elders decided against what the Pharisees had said.

I'm going to remember that.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The fact that the Jews for the most part missed Jesus does not matter - as the Jews are experts on the Mosaic Law. Remember Moses was the first to introduce keeping the Sabbath and did so in depth per Exodus 20:8-11. To say that Keeping the Sabbath was not part of the Mosaic Law is ludicrous.

Being that the 10 commandments are part of the Mosaic Laws: Per Acts 15:23-29 the requirement to keep the Sabbath was not imposed on Gentile believers by the Jerusalem Council. The decision of the Jerusalem Council (Acts 15:23-29) is in scripture and among others was supported by Peter, Paul, and James the brother of Jesus. Indeed, what matters is what the word says, and it says (per Acts 15:23-29) that Gentile believers are not required to keep the Sabbath!

If this is all you think Gentiles are required to follow:

Acts 15:29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

By this reasoning why are you just eliminating the Sabbath? I don't see the Sabbath as something we don't have to keep in the verse and also I don't see not worshipping other gods is a requirement either and we can bow to idols and vain God's holy name. It seems like the only thing people try to eliminate despite no scripture is God's holy Sabbath day- I wonder how God feels about it, since "all flesh" those saved will be worshipping the Lord for all eternity on the Sabbath Isaiah 66:22-23. God's Holy Commandments, His Will and Testimony kept in the ark of the covenant in the Most Holy of His Temple which is in heaven Revelation 11:19 if you don't want to keep the holy day of the Lord thy God Isaiah 58:13 that is on the seventh day according to God Exodus 20:10 now, what makes one think they will suddenly want to in heaven. God will never force anyone to love or to obey Him and because He loves us so much, He gives us free will and if the Sabbath is something so awful for people now (instead of the blessing the Lord promises Isaiah 58:13-14) that they go to extreme lengths to find reasons and loopholes to not obey, because God's love is so great, if people are not going to like what is going to happen in heaven (Sabbath worship) He will probably not force anyone to be there against their will.

According to scripture the saints (saved ones) keep the commandments of God and faith in Jesus. Revelation 14:12- The saints does not mean Jews, but it is those in Christ who is neither Jew or Gentile but one, through faith. Galatians 3:26-28

Isaiah 56:6“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

No wonder the Sabbath is a sign between God and His people Ezekiel 20:20 and why Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 and man was created on the sixth day Genesis 1:26 before the very first Sabbath Genesis 2:1-3 and celebrated by worshipping God in His presence, how glorious that must have been but sin separated man from God, praise God when He comes we will once again worship the Lord in His presence every Sabbath the way He intend His Sabbath to be in communion with our Creator on His holy Sabbath day that God blessed and sanctified. God's will is the same in heaven for us as it is on this earth. Matthew 6:9-13

 

[John Mullally]

If this is all you think Gentiles are required to follow:

Acts 15:29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

By this reasoning why are you just eliminating the Sabbath? I don't see the Sabbath as something we don't have to keep in the verse and also I don't see not worshipping other gods is a requirement either and we can bow to idols and vain God's holy name.

Acts 15:23-29 is clear. Keeping the Sabbath is a Mosaic Law. Verse 29 identifies the Mosaic Laws the Gentile believers are required to keep. Keeping the Sabbath is not in that list.

It seems like the only thing people try to eliminate despite no scripture is God's holy Sabbath day- I wonder how God feels about it, since "all flesh" those saved will be worshipping the Lord for all eternity on the Sabbath Isaiah 66:22-23. God's Holy Commandments, His Will and Testimony kept in the ark of the covenant in the Most Holy of His Temple which is in heaven Revelation 11:19 if you don't want to keep the holy day of the Lord thy God Isaiah 58:13 that is on the seventh day according to God Exodus 20:10 now, what makes one think they will suddenly want to in heaven. God will never force anyone to love or to obey Him and because He loves us so much, He gives us free will and if the Sabbath is something so awful for people now (instead of the blessing the Lord promises Isaiah 58:13-14) that they go to extreme lengths to find reasons and loopholes to not obey, because God's love is so great, if people are not going to like what is going to happen in heaven (Sabbath worship) He will probably not force anyone to be there against their will.

In post 97, I give my take on why most Christian denominations teach keeping all the 10 commandments except "Keeping the Sabbath".

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Acts 15:23-29 is clear. Keeping the Sabbath is a Mosaic Law. Verse 29 identifies the Mosaic Laws the Gentile believers are required to keep. Keeping the Sabbath is not in that list.
In post 97, I give my take on why most Christian denominations teach keeping all the 10 commandments except "Keeping the Sabbath".

The thing is, God never separated His Ten Commandments, only man did that. God wrote Ten Commandments Exodus 34:28, not nine, with His own finger Exodus 31:18 and they are a package deal, not multiple choice or suggestions. Matthew 5:19, James 2:10-12

Which is why the Sabbath continues in Heaven Isaiah 66:22-23 because this is God's law Revelation 11:19 that man has no business messing with.

 

[eleos1954]

The fact that the Jews for the most part missed Jesus does not matter - as the Jews are experts on the Mosaic Law. Remember Moses was the first to introduce keeping the Sabbath and did so in depth per Exodus 20:8-11. To say that Keeping the Sabbath was not part of the Mosaic Law is ludicrous.

Being that the 10 commandments are part of the Mosaic Laws: Per Acts 15:23-29 the requirement to keep the Sabbath was not imposed on Gentile believers by the Jerusalem Council. The decision of the Jerusalem Council (Acts 15:23-29) is in scripture and among others was supported by Peter, Paul, and James the brother of Jesus. Indeed, what matters is what the word says, and it says (per Acts 15:23-29) that Gentile believers are not required to keep the Sabbath!

The keeping of the 7th day Sabbath was instated by the Lord at creation ..... before there were any Jews or Jewish nation.

To say ... gentiles are exempt from the 10 commandments is ludicrous ... to carve out the 7th day Sabbath and say the other commandments are in tact except for 7th day Sabbath keeping is ludicrous.

Jesus kept the 7th day Sabbath .... and stated He was Lord of it .... He is Lord of it because He created it and created it for mankind ... not just some specific people group.

Mark 2:27

27 Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made (created) for man (mankind), not man for the Sabbath.

Remember the Sabbath ..... remember from creation my Holy day I created.

It was/is not a new command ... that's why He said remember.

 

[John Mullally]

The keeping of the 7th day Sabbath was instated by the Lord at creation ..... before there were any Jews or Jewish nation.

To say ... gentiles are exempt from the 10 commandments is ludicrous ... to carve out the 7th day Sabbath and say the other commandments are in tact except for 7th day Sabbath keeping is ludicrous.

You place yourself on the other side of the ruling in the Jerusalem Decree (Acts 15:23-29) made by the Apostles and re-iterated years later by Paul in Acts 21:24-25. As I stated in Post 97, the other 9 commandments overlap the teachings written to believers (i.e. Acts and the Epistles) - so they are useful.

Jesus kept the 7th day Sabbath .... and stated He was Lord of it .... He is Lord of it because He created it and created it for mankind ... not just some specific people group.

Mark 2:27

27 Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made (created) for man (mankind), not man for the Sabbath.

There are no invocations in Acts or the Epistles to keep the Sabbath. Paul tells believers to defer to their own judgment as far as keeping Jewish Holy days (which includes the Sabbath). Again you place yourself on the other side of what Paul states.

Romans 14:5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.​

 

[eleos1954]

You place yourself on the other side of the ruling in the Jerusalem Decree (Acts 15:23-29) made by the Apostles and re-iterated years later by Paul in Acts 21:24-25.
There are no invocations in Acts or the Epistles to keep the Sabbath. Paul tells believers to defer to their own judgment as far as keeping Jewish Holy days (which includes the Sabbath). Again you place yourself on the other side of what Paul states.

Romans 14:5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.​

Paul tells believers to defer to their own judgment as far as keeping Jewish Holy days (which includes the Sabbath).

Again ..... the 7th day Sabbath is NOT a "jewish holy day" .... God created it BEFORE there were any jews or jewish nation. The 7th day Sabbath was created any made Holy by God Himself not the Jews.

Genesis 2:3

King James Bible
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exodus 20:11

For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is in them, but on the seventh day He rested. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy.

The Sabbath was established at creation for all of mankind .... it's not a Jewish thing.

Are all the 10 commandments a "jewish thing" ?

 

[John Mullally]

Again ..... the 7th day Sabbath is NOT a "jewish holy day" .... God created it BEFORE there were any jews or jewish nation. The 7th day Sabbath was created any made Holy by God Himself not the Jews.

Genesis 2:3

King James Bible
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exodus 20:11

For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is in them, but on the seventh day He rested. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy.

The Sabbath was established at creation for all of mankind .... it's not a Jewish thing.

Are all the 10 commandments a "jewish thing" ?

Wrong - in Exodus 20:8 Moses, who is Jewish, says to keep the Sabbath Holy - thus declaring it a Jewiish Holy day.

But whether or not the Sabbath is classified as a Holy day, Paul's invocation in Romans 14:5 still applies - as the Sabbath no matter how you classify it is a day. And per Romans 14:5: NT believers are not obliged to keep any day. You oppose Paul on this matter.

Romans 14:5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.​

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Wrong - Exodus 20:8 Moses says to keep the Sabbath Holy - thus declaring it a Holy day.

But whether or not the Sabbath is classified as a Holy day, Paul's invocation in Romans 14:5 still applies - as the Sabbath is a day. And thus NT believers are not obliged to keep the Sabbath. You oppose Paul on this matter.

Romans 14:5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.​

You might want to read Exodus 20:1

 

[John Mullally]

You might want to read Exodus 20:1

Exodus 20:1 is written to the Jews during Moses's times (around 1400 BC) and is not a complete thought. Maybe you meant something else.

Exodus 20:1 And God spoke all these words:​

You might want to read Acts and the Epistles which are written to NT believers. In them, there is no invocation to keep the Sabbath. But rather a rebuke to those who insist that other's keep it per Romans 14:5.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Exodus 20:1 is written to the Jews during Moses's times (around 1400 BC) and is not a complete thought. Maybe you meant something else.

Exodus 20:1 And God spoke all these words:​

You might want to read Acts and the Epistles which are written to NT believers. In them, there is no invocation to keep the Sabbath. But rather a rebuke to those who insist that other's keep it per Romans 14:5.

You said Moses spoke it, but it was God who spoke His commandments and wrote them.

All of the Ten Commandments are repeated in the New Testament for everyday Christians living.

Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27

man
ἄνθρωπος (anthrōpos)
Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's 444: A man, one of the human race. From aner and ops; man-faced, i.e. A human being.

So unless you are not part of the human race, it was made for you as a blessing from God to keep holy the same day that is holy to God. Not sure why anyone would want to debate this to be honest.

Like I said previously, God gives us free will, but in heaven "all flesh" not just Jews will come to worship the Lord for eternity on His holy day. God's saints keep His commandments, which I am pretty sure it will be more than Jews who are saved and those in Christ not Jew or Gentile or any other race as there is only one flock and one Shepard.


Isaiah 56:6“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

Your argument appears to be not with me.

 

[eleos1954]

Wrong - in Exodus 20:8 Moses, who is Jewish, says to keep the Sabbath Holy - thus declaring it a Jewiish Holy day.

But whether or not the Sabbath is classified as a Holy day, Paul's invocation in Romans 14:5 still applies - as the Sabbath no matter how you classify it is a day. And thus NT believers are not obliged to keep any day. You oppose Paul on this matter.

Romans 14:5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.​

Moses, who is Jewish, says to keep the Sabbath Holy - thus declaring it a Jewiish Holy day.

Wrong .... the 10 were spoken and written by God Himself and Moses gave the commandments written in stone (unchangeable) by God Himself to the people ... He (God) said to remember it .... so it was obviously in effect prior to Mt. Sanai ....

He said remember it .... so it was established BEFORE Sanai and we know when it was established ... and that was at creation and refers back to it as such ...

Hebrews 4

8For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9There remains, then, a Sabbath rest for the people of God (not just the Jews) . 10For whoever enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same pattern of disobedience.

Hebrews 4:9

sabbatismos: a sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: a sabbath rest
Usage: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

from the root word
sabbaton

sabbaton: the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week)
Original Word: σάββατον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: sabbaton
Phonetic Spelling: (sab'-bat-on)
Definition: the Sabbath, the seventh day (of the week)
Usage: the Sabbath, a week.

Do you think the 10 commandments are only for the Jews? Did Jesus keep the law because He was Jewish ... or .... because He was God in the flesh and upheld all the commandments He had given throughout history?

God gave the law .... not Moses ... and the 7th Day Sabbath established at creation is right in the heart of it.

 

[John Mullally]

You said Moses spoke it, but it was God who spoke His commandments and wrote them.

All of the Ten Commandments are repeated in the New Testament for everyday Christians living.

Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27

man
ἄνθρωπος (anthrōpos)
Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's 444: A man, one of the human race. From aner and ops; man-faced, i.e. A human being.

So unless you are not part of the human race, it was made for you as a blessing from God to keep holy the same day that is holy to God. Not sure why anyone would want to debate this to be honest.

Like I said previously, God gives us free will, but in heaven "all flesh" not just Jews will come to worship the Lord for eternity on His holy day. God's saints keep His commandments, which I am pretty sure it will be more than Jews who are saved and those in Christ not Jew or Gentile or any other race as there is only one flock and one Shepard.


Isaiah 56:6“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

Your argument appears to be not with me.

Yes, Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for men and this is observed by the teaching in all or nearly all Christian denominations as they invoke people to take a day of rest in a week.

Again, the rebuke frim Paul to those who insist others Keep the Sabbath according to the Law of Moses is found in Romans 14:5. Your argument is with Paul. Remember Paul wrote to NT believers; whereas, Moses wrote to the Jews - so keep that in context when reading the Bible. Also keep in mind Acts 15:23-29.

 

[HIM]

Yes, Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for men and this is observed by the teaching in all or nearly all Christian denominations as they invoke people to take a day of rest in a week.

Again, the rebuke frim Paul to those who insist others Keep the Sabbath according to the Law of Moses is found in Romans 14:5. Your argument is with Paul. Remember Paul wrote to NT believers; whereas, Moses wrote to the Jews - so keep that in context when reading the Bible. Also keep in mind Acts 15:23-29.

In which the Sabbath is not mentioned. So You are going to assume or say God meant the Sabbath? Why are you trying to add to the word of God? Do you think He needs help?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yes, Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for men and this is observed by the teaching in all or nearly all Christian denominations as they invoke people to take a day of rest in a week.

Again, the rebuke frim Paul to those who insist others Keep the Sabbath according to the Law of Moses is found in Romans 14:5. Your argument is with Paul. Remember Paul wrote to NT believers; whereas, Moses wrote to the Jews - so keep that in context when reading the Bible. Also keep in mind Acts 15:23-29.

So you think keeping the Sabbath is up to how man chooses to keep it or the way God instructed us? It's not "a" day of rest, the Sabbath is on the seventh day and it is the day to rest from our work so we can keep His day holy. Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13

The days that we esteem over another does not matter, it is what day GOD esteems over the others that do. Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13, Isaiah 66:23 God spoke it with His own mouth Exodus 20, God wrote it with His own finger Exodus 31:18 Jesus kept it His whole life Luke 4:16 as did the apostles Acts 18:4, Acts 14:44, Acts 14:42, Acts 17:2. I have no argument with Paul who said what matters is keeping the commandments of God 1 Cor 7:19 and who was preaching every Sabbath the Word of God to Jews, Gentiles and whole cities.