Jesus prophesied that we would be keeping the Sabbath until He returns in Matthew 24

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Not even close. Because What is being said is that verse 20 is connected to verse 31 also. And this is done grammatically. Verse 20 is connected to what is previously stated by the word but. As is 21 by the word for. 22 by the word and. 23 by the word then. Verse 24 by the word for. Verse 25 by the clause “ behold I have told you before”. Verse 26 by the word wherefore. Verse 27 and 28 by the word for. Right up to the tribulation in verse 29 which precedes the coming of the Jesus and the gathering of the elect in verses 30 and 31.

This means the exhortation to pray that our flight not be in the winter or on the Sabbath is connected to the tribulation prior to Jesus second coming to gather the elect. This is a grammatical fact that can not be contested honestly.

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Previously addressed. . .
 
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The Mosaic Laws were given to the Jews. Gentile believers were observed receiving the Holy Spirit without observing the Mosaic Law. It became apparent to the Apostles that they needed to hear from the Holy Spirit and arrive at a consensus on which portions of the Mosaic Law Gentile believers are instructed to comply with. Their final decision on this matter was made in the letter sent to the Gentiles in Acts 15:23-29, which is termed the Jerusalem Decree.

Acts 15:23 They wrote this letter by them:

The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,

To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.

Farewell.​

Some say that taking the Jerusalem Decree literally leads to lawlessness. To which I say Jesus commanded his disciples to keep His commandments (John 14:15), not the Mosaic Law. We are all to keep Jesus's commandments.

Years after the Jerusalem Decree, Paul reiterates the portions of the Mosaic Law the Gentiles are to keep and nothing has changed - thus confirming the decision.

Acts 21:24 Take them and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads, and that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you are nothing, but that you yourself also walk orderly and keep the law. 25 But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided that they should observe no such thing, except that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.”

And a warning from Paul.

Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless.​
One should not become ignorant of the Old Testament writings. A diligent reader might find some useful passages there without being incited to war. God’s grace does not condone murder or sexual immorality. A warning in Proverbs against going to be united for an evening with a prostitute should not be argued against. Just because a law prohibits incest, does not mean one should consider this law to be of no merit or abolished. Paul preached against sexual immorality. A law against working on certain days or another requiring tithing to Levites are already ignored without retribution. The punishment of some of these laws is worse than the crime, thus one can not rely on the law alone, but seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
 
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No, it is understanding Jewish traditions and what they were doing from that viewpoint.
The problem is that Jewish traditions have been made obsolete and are not part of the Gospel of Christ.
 
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Not one text in all of scripture says that anyone met "every week day 1" - much less assign a title of honor to "week day 1".

That's a big reason why this subject gets discussed so much on this forum
Paul taught in Galatians 4 that believers should not honour or observe any holy day. Every day is holy to the Lord, because our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit, and therefore we worship God in spirit and in truth, and we do that every day of the week.
 
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It is significant that the Ark of the Lord which contains the Ten Commandments in stone tablets has been lost, and along with the Temple being totally destroyed in 70AD, this is a signal that Jewish tradition and worship is no longer part of the New Covenant, and that there is no more Jew or Gentile in the kingdom of God, but all are converted believers in Christ.
 
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It is significant that the Ark of the Lord which contains the Ten Commandments in stone tablets has been lost, and along with the Temple being totally destroyed in 70AD, this is a signal that Jewish tradition and worship is no longer part of the New Covenant, and that there is no more Jew or Gentile in the kingdom of God, but all are converted believers in Christ.
The earthly Temple was a copy of the Heavenly Temple, where Jesus dwells, which is anything but lost. Revelation 11:19.

Those in Christ are now the earthy temple and dwelling place for the Holy Spirit. 1 Corinthians 6:19

We will reunite with God’s heavenly Temple once He Comes again.
 
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Paul taught in Galatians 4 that believers should not honour or observe any holy day. Every day is holy to the Lord, because our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit, and therefore we worship God in spirit and in truth, and we do that every day of the week.
Not even
 
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Previously addressed. . .
Where?
Yes, we keep the Sabbath in the NT according to Hebrews 3-4, i.e., in God's full-time rest (Hebrews 4:3-4)--in Jesus Christ's saving work, and from our own work to save.
Not here. That has nothing to do with Matthew.
Previously addressed. . .
Not here either

Nope. . .

V. 30 begins the second prophecy where all the nations mourn at the end of the NT church age, the world and time.
So you switched gears here from saying it was talking about Hebrews. To stating that it was talking about the second prophecy. Which makes no sense since that was never an issue. The issue is grammatically verse 20 is connected to verse 31.
Nope. . .

It's prophecy, given in riddles/dark sayings (Numbers 12:8). . .it's not doctrine.
So you went from saying Matthew24 was about Hebrews 4 to that verse 20 couldn’t be talking about verse 29-31 because it was separate prophecy. Even though grammatically verse 20 is connected to this prophecy also. And now you are implying we can’t understand it because it is prophecy and it is given in riddles and dark sayings.

What’s next. Apparently you are seeing yourself your arguments are falling short. That is why you do a lot of flipping around. Why not recant. I would.
Previously addressed. . .
Now your backed to this even though nothing you posted is remotely addressing the fact that verse 20 in chapter 24 is grammatically connecting verses 29- 31 by the use of words that are considered connectors. In other words Jesus’ exhortation to pray that our flight not be on the Sabbath is reference to the tribulation right up to his return and the gathering of the elect.
 
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And the Christians had their own worship meetings on the first day of the week in homes, not in the Jewish synagogues.

Not one text in all of scripture says that anyone met "every week day 1" - much less assign a title of honor to "week day 1".

That's a big reason why this subject gets discussed so much on this forum

Paul taught in Galatians 4 that believers should not honour or observe any holy day.

Almost all Bible scholars in every denomination affirm that all TEN of the TEN Commandments remain applicable for all mankind to this very day. They tend to differ on whether the Sabbath observance as the Lord's day should now be on Saturday or Sunday.

Your statement condemns all Christians who keep either Sunday or Saturday. Not exactly the POV that is supported by the majority of Christian scholarship. But you have free will and can choose as you wish.

What is interesting is that you post this -- right after posting that the NT church met every week-day-1 as its day of worship. Which now you are apparently condemning.

That is quite a flip flop in just one single post sequence.

Every day is holy to the Lord, because our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit,

In the NT Paul condemns anyone who sets aside even one pagan day for rest and worship and condemns anyone who sets aside every day as a day dedicated to rest and worship "if anyone will not work neither let him eat".

Gal 4 does not condemn the very days of rest and worship that Rom 14 is defending.


and therefore we worship God in spirit and in truth, and we do that every day of the week.

which is not what Christ is talking about in Matt 24 in His reference to the Sabbath day..
 
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It is significant that the Ark of the Lord which contains the Ten Commandments in stone tablets has been lost, and along with the Temple being totally destroyed in 70AD, this is a signal that Jewish tradition and worship is no longer part of the New Covenant, and that there is no more Jew or Gentile in the kingdom of God, but all are converted believers in Christ.

The Ten commandments contain the command "do not take God's name in vain" and it is not destroyed simply due to a temple being destroyed in 70 A.D.

The Ten commandments contain the command "honor your father and mother" and it is not destroyed simply due to a temple being destroyed in 70 A.D. Paul says it is still valid Eph 6:2 and even references it in the unit of TEN as still valid.

No wonder Bible scholars on BOTH sides of the Sabbath debate affirm ALL TEN of the TEN commandments for mankind.
 
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The Mosaic Laws were given to the Jews. Gentile believers were observed receiving the Holy Spirit without observing the Mosaic Law. It became apparent to the Apostles that they needed to hear from the Holy Spirit and arrive at a consensus on which portions of the Mosaic Law Gentile believers are instructed to comply with. Their final decision on this matter was made in the letter sent to the Gentiles in Acts 15:23-29, which is termed the Jerusalem Decree.

Acts 15:23 They wrote this letter by them:

The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,

To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.

Farewell.​

Some say that taking the Jerusalem Decree literally leads to lawlessness. To which I say Jesus commanded his disciples to keep His commandments (John 14:15), not the Mosaic Law. We are all to keep Jesus's commandments.

Years after the Jerusalem Decree, Paul reiterates the portions of the Mosaic Law the Gentiles are to keep and nothing has changed - thus confirming the decision.

Acts 21:24 Take them and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads, and that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you are nothing, but that you yourself also walk orderly and keep the law. 25 But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided that they should observe no such thing, except that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.”

And a warning from Paul.

Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless.​

Titus 3

9But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. 10A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; 11Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

Sin IS transgression of the law.

John 3:4 "Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness."

The Moses law do not include the 10 commandments .... the law stands ... all are judged by the law ... the difference is .... those in Christ will be declared not guilty (not that we are)

Moses' law was the temporary, ceremonial law of the Old Testament. It regulated the priesthood, sacrifices, rituals, meat and drink offerings, etc., all of which foreshadowed Christ Jesus.

This law was added "till the seed should come," and that seed was Christ (Galatians 3:16,19). The ritual and ceremony of Moses' law pointed forward to Christ, and this law came to an end, but the Ten Commandments (God's law) "stand fast for ever and ever." (Psalm 111:8).

Romans 2:11-16

For God judges everyone by the same standard. The Gentiles do not have the Law of Moses; they sin and are lost apart from the Law. The Jews have the Law; they sin and are judged by the Law.

For it is not by hearing the Law that people are put right with God, but by doing what the Law commands. The Gentiles do not have the Law; but whenever they do by instinct what the Law commands, they are their own law, even though they do not have the Law.

Their conduct shows that what the Law commands is written in their hearts. Their consciences also show that this is true, since their thoughts sometimes accuse them and sometimes defend them.

And so, according to the Good News I preach, this is how it will be on that Day when God through Jesus Christ will judge the secret thoughts of all.

There is nothing wrong with God's law (the 10) that He should do away with them ....

There was no more need for a earthly sanctuary system nor for sacrifices after Jesus died. Jesus was the final sacrifice for all for all time and He is our High Priest and ministers from the sanctuary in heaven.

Of course there is law .... The law (the 10) is written on everybody's heart ...
else Jesus can not judge rightly.
 
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The Moses law do not include the 10 commandments.
Please show me the Jewish sources that indicate that the 10 commandments are not part of the Mosaic Law, since that is the basis of your argument.
 
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I always like to share this, something I made years ago.

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This helps to explain what Jesus/Yeshua was speaking about when asked about the commandments.

36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”

37 Jesus said to him, (1)“‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
38
This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’
40
On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

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Some split it 5/5 and some 4/6. But I believe that the honoring of father and mother belongs with the first 4 because if we can't show respect to our earthly parents how are we to our heavenly Father?​
 
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Please show me the Jewish sources that indicate that the 10 commandments are not part of the Mosaic Law.


Depends on the context in which you are using it.

Acts 15:1 And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.”

5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”

24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.

first we notice that all those things listed above -- are in the Law of Moses. Both the things listed as not for gentiles and the things listed as for gentiles.

second we notice that things missing include
"do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7
"Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18 Matt 22, Rom 13
"Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5 , Matt 22
"Honor your father and mother" Eph 6:2, Matt 22

One needs to examine the example where such a claim is made to see what it means in the context in which it is used.
 
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Please show me the Jewish sources that indicate that the 10 commandments are not part of the Mosaic Law, since that is the basis of your argument.

I'll use His word ...

The Bible tells us the Law of Moses was brought about to handle transgressions of the Law. Had there not been transgressions of the Law, there would have been no need for that handwritten book. Galatians 3:19 tells us that Law was added due to transgressions.

God's commandments were in effect long before Moses. Take a look at Genesis 26:5 about Abraham hundreds of years before Moses, "...because Abraham obeyed my voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws." We can see they are separate things in Deuteronomy 31:26, "Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;". Notice the Book of the Law was kept beside the ark as a witness against us, but the tablets containing the 10 commandments were kept inside the ark. Also notice the Book of the Law was handwritten by Moses and was there as a witness against us.

Now let's jump over to Colossians 2:14 and see what was nailed to the cross. "..having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it (handwriting of requirements) of the way, having nailed it to the cross". Galatians 3:19 said "until the seed should come...". There is no doubt what was nailed to the cross and contrary to what the article above says, there is clear verses indicating this Book of the Law was separate from God's moral law.

Regarding the 10 .... the first 4 are how our relationship with God is to be .... the next 6 is how our relationship with one another is to be.

There is not one thing wrong with them that they should be done away with. There indeed is something wrong with us.

The ceremonial law consisted of ordinances, ceremonies and sacrifices in the sanctuary system that pointed to the future redemption through Jesus Christ.

so ... regarding the 10 .... you think it's "ok" for us to to ignore them? Of course not!

Matthew 5:18

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For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
 
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Please show me the Jewish sources that indicate that the 10 commandments are not part of the Mosaic Law, since that is the basis of your argument.
Depends on the context in which you are using it.
If the 10 commandments are not part of the Mosaic Law (referenced in Acts 15:24) please at least demonstrate it from Jewish scholars. Otherwise, per Acts 15:23-29 required observance of the Sabbath by Gentile Christians is not required.
Acts 15:1 And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.”

5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”

24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.

first we notice that all those things listed above -- are in the Law of Moses. Both the things listed as not for gentiles and the things listed as for gentiles.
They all happen to be abstain. Most of the Mosaic Laws are written that way.
second we notice that things missing include
"do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7
"Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18 Matt 22, Rom 13
"Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5 , Matt 22
"Honor your father and mother" Eph 6:2, Matt 22

One needs to examine the example where such a claim is made to see what it means in the context in which it is used.
From my understanding all Christian denominations teach what Jesus taught His disciples outside of some of that which is in Mark 16 (due to Cessationism - another discussion). The 10 commandments are taught where Jesus's commandments or the teachings in Acts and the Epistles overlap. Therefore all of the 10 commandments are commonly taught with the exception of strict adherence to the Sabbath because of the lack of NT coverage. Just like there is no NT coverage for the Levitical priesthood.

Romans 14:5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.

Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, arguments, and quarrels about the law, because these things are pointless and worthless.10 Reject a divisive man after a first and second admonition, 11 knowing that such a man is corrupt and sinful; he is self-condemned.​
 
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The Moses law do not include the 10 commandments
Please show me the Jewish sources that indicate that the 10 commandments are not part of the Mosaic Law, since that is the basis of your argument.
One should happily expect to lose their argument when arguing against scripture. Many are slow to recognize that victory or loss.!
I'll use His word ...

The Bible tells us the Law of Moses was brought about to handle transgressions of the Law. Had there not been transgressions of the Law, there would have been no need for that handwritten book. Galatians 3:19 tells us that Law was added due to transgressions.

God's commandments were in effect long before Moses. Take a look at Genesis 26:5 about Abraham hundreds of years before Moses, "...because Abraham obeyed my voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws." We can see they are separate things in Deuteronomy 31:26, "Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;". Notice the Book of the Law was kept beside the ark as a witness against us, but the tablets containing the 10 commandments were kept inside the ark. Also notice the Book of the Law was handwritten by Moses and was there as a witness against us.

Now let's jump over to Colossians 2:14 and see what was nailed to the cross. "..having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it (handwriting of requirements) of the way, having nailed it to the cross". Galatians 3:19 said "until the seed should come...". There is no doubt what was nailed to the cross and contrary to what the article above says, there is clear verses indicating this Book of the Law was separate from God's moral law.

Regarding the 10 .... the first 4 are how our relationship with God is to be .... the next 6 is how our relationship with one another is to be.

There is not one thing wrong with them that they should be done away with. There indeed is something wrong with us.

The ceremonial law consisted of ordinances, ceremonies and sacrifices in the sanctuary system that pointed to the future redemption through Jesus Christ.

so ... regarding the 10 .... you think it's "ok" for us to to ignore them? Of course not!

Matthew 5:18

King James Bible

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Interesting observations. But for the point at hand, All that matters is what the first century Jews understood the “Law of Moses” to be. If they viewed the “Law of Moses” as including the 10 commandments, which I assert, then the Gentile believers are not obligated to keep the Sabbath per Acts 15:23-29. Again read the Gospels!

If you are interested in truth, as opposed to pushing religious doctrine, I suggest you concentrate on the Rabbinical interpretation of this article as the Christian interpretation had not formed at that time of the Jerusalem Decree (~48 AD) : Law of Moses - Wikipedia

Mosaic Law History & Overview | What is the Law of Moses? - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com
 
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@BobRyan @Lulav and @dqhall for allowing God to use you. I am edified by your presence and helping here on the forums.
The word of the Lord from Paul to you all is:

Romans 14:5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.​

Again pay heed:

Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless.
 
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This is to important for those who profess Christ and such a eye opener not to share repeatedly.

Let's take a look at Matthew. From the KJV Chapter 24 speaks of the tribulation and also the Sabbath. In Matt 24:20-31 Jesus speaks of the Sabbath being kept BY HIS FOLLOWS (US) through the destruction of the Temple in 70AD up to His Second coming.

VERSES 20 THROUGH 31 TALK OF THIS. AND VERSE 20'S WARNING to pray THAT our FLIGHT DUE TO THE PERSECUTION NOT BE IN THE WINTER NOR OR THE SABBATH DAY IS CONNECTED TO THIS.

How do we know?

By His use of the words For, And, Then, For, Behold, Wherefore, For and and in verses 21- 31 where it states the Saints are gathered. All those words are connectives, they connect what is about to be said to what was previously said.

So Are the Apostles around today to experience the tribulation and see the second coming of our Lord?

Have the elect been gathered together?

No, so this warning to pray that our flight not be in the winter nor Sabbath Day IS FOR US ALSO or those who will be blessed to see that glorious day of His return when we the Saints are gathered together to be with the forever more AFTER the tribulation that is said to be like none before.

Matt 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Matt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matt 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Matt 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Matt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matt 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Matt 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Matt 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matt 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Matt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other
the account is goal driven where the details of the account are there to build and support the goal but not there to be taken separately from the context (most of the bible is this way). What you seem to be doing is taking the details out of their context to declare they stand alone as separate prophecies. This is not true for the sabbath as it is not true for winter (another example taken from the account). Christ is not declaring a universal sabbath according to the law regardless of time or place just as he is not declaring that winter is the same regardless of time and place.

we need to consider who Jesus is speaking to and when he uses these examples as well as what point he is trying to make and the role these examples play to build his point. The point he is not trying to make is to keep the sabbath according to the law 2000 years after he spoke the words and if you think that you have missed the point. But don't misunderstand me, I'm not making a statement of our responsibility of keeping the sabbath I'm simply saying this passage is not a prophecy in support of keeping the sabbath according to the law.
 
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