Jesus prophesied that we would be keeping the Sabbath until He returns in Matthew 24

[Clare73]

But what it does do is connect verse 20 to 31

Previously addressed. . .

 

[HIM]

Previously addressed. . .

Not in the least bit. From the KJV In Matt 24:20-31 Jesus speaks of the Sabbath being kept BY HIS FOLLOWS (US) through the destruction of the Temple in 70AD up to His Second coming. And that is a fact.

VERSES 20 THROUGH 31 TALK OF THIS. AND VERSE 20'S WARNING to pray THAT our FLIGHT DUE TO THE PERSECUTION NOT BE IN THE WINTER NOR OR THE SABBATH DAY IS CONNECTED TO THIS.

How do we know?

By His use of the words For, And, Then, For, Behold, Wherefore, For and and in verses 21- 31 where it states the Saints are gathered. All those words are connectives and they connect what is about to be said to what was previously said.

 

[John Mullally]

No What is clear is that verse 20 is contextually connected to verse 31 grammatically by the following words in the verses after verse 20 which are connectors. These words are; For, And, Then, For, Behold, Wherefore, For and And. That means that the exhortation to pray that our flight not be in the winter or the Sabbath is for the tribulations mentioned in verses 21 and 29 up to the gathering of the elect.

You strategically left verse 16 out of your OP because it would sink your premise. Praying that "your flight not be on the Sabbath or winter" in verse 20 has to do with "let those in Judea flee" in verse 16.

The Olivet discourse is much debated and is not about keeping the Sabbath.

 

[HIM]

You strategically left verse 16 out of your OP because it would sink the premise. Praying that "your flight not be on the Sabbath or winter" in verse 20 has to do with "let those in Judea flee" in verse 16.

The Olivet discourse is much debated and is not about keeping the Sabbath.

Not true because verse 20 is connected to verse 31 grammatically as was stated. And that is a fact in which there is no way around.

 

[Clare73]

Not in the least bit. From the KJV In Matt 24:20-31 Jesus speaks of the Sabbath being kept BY HIS FOLLOWS (US) through the destruction of the Temple in 70AD up to His Second coming. And that is a fact.

Nope. . .

V. 30 begins the second prophecy where all the nations mourn at the end of the NT church age, the world and time.

 

[HIM]

Nope. . .

V. 30 begins the second prophecy where all the nations mourn at the end of the NT church age, the world and time.

Yes 20-31 are connected in context grammatically.
Verse 20 is connected to what is previously stated by the word but. As is 21 by the word for. 22 by the word and. 23 by the word then. Verse 24 by the word for. Verse 25 by the clause “ behold I have told you before”. Verse 26 by the word wherefore. Verse 27 and 28 by the word for. Right up to the tribulation in verse 29 which precedes the coming of the Jesus and the gathering of the elect in verses 30 and 31.

This is a grammatical fact that can not be contested honestly.

Take care

Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matthew 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Matthew 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matthew 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[Leaf473]

Nice try. Matthew 24:16 makes it clear that Matthew 24:20 in particular is talking about Judea.

Matthew 24:16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.
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I was thinking the same thing, it's pretty specific.

Those already in the mountains wouldn't need to flee, it looks like.

 

[John Mullally]

Not true because verse 20 is connected to verse 31 grammatically as was stated. And that is a fact in which there is no way around.

Again you deliberately neglect Matthew 24:16 which gives context to Matthew 24:20. Matthew 24:16-20 are all under the same "then" clause - they bolster each other and apply at the same moment in time.

The "For then" in verse 21 and the "then" in verse 30 shows a progression. The events in a progression do not occur at the same time. There are progressions in scripture where the events are separated by thousands of years.

 

[HIM]

Again you deliberately neglect Matthew 24:16 which gives context to Matthew 24:20. Matthew 24:16-20 are all under the same "then" clause - they bolster each other and apply at the same moment in time.

The "For then" in verse 21 and the "then" in verse 30 shows a progression. The events in a progression do not occur at the same time. There are progressions in scripture where the events are separated by thousands of years.

No one ever said they happen at the same time. What is being said is that verse 20 is connected to verse 31 also. And this is done grammatically. Verse 20 is connected to what is previously stated by the word but. As is 21 by the word for. 22 by the word and. 23 by the word then. Verse 24 by the word for. Verse 25 by the clause “ behold I have told you before”. Verse 26 by the word wherefore. Verse 27 and 28 by the word for. Right up to the tribulation in verse 29 which precedes the coming of the Jesus and the gathering of the elect in verses 30 and 31.

This means the exhortation to pray that our flight not be in the winter or on the Sabbath is connected to the tribulation prior to Jesus second coming to gather the elect. This is a grammatical fact that can not be contested honestly.

Take care

 

[Clare73]

Yes 20-31 are connected in context grammatically.

Nope. . .

It's prophecy, given in riddles/dark sayings (Numbers 12:8). . .it's not doctrine.

 

[eleos1954]

The Jerusalem Decree (Acts 15:23-29) written to the Gentile believers lists the portions of the Law of Moses the Gentile believers are required to keep and it makes no mention of the Sabbath.

Acts 15:23 They wrote this letter by them:
The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law” —to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
Farewell.​

Some may say that taking Jerusalem Decree literally leads to lawlessness. To which I say Jesus commanded his disciples to keep His commandments (John 14:15), not Moses commandments. We are all to keep Jesus's commandments.

Years after the Jerusalem Decree, Paul reiterates the portions of the Law the Gentiles are to keep and nothing has changed - there is still no mention of the Sabbath.

Acts 21:24 Take them and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads, and that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you are nothing, but that you yourself also walk orderly and keep the law. 25 But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided that they should observe no such thing, except that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.”​

We are to follow in the steps of Jesus .... Jesus kept the 7th day Sabbath.

1 Peter 2:21

For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps.

He led by example.

Actions speak louder than words.

 

[HIM]

Nope. . .

It's prophecy, given in riddles/dark sayings (Numbers 12:8). . .it's not doctrine.

Yes 20-31 are connected in context grammatically. Nothing dark the light has been turned on so you can see.
Verse 20 is connected to what is previously stated by the word but. As is 21 by the word for. 22 by the word and. 23 by the word then. Verse 24 by the word for. Verse 25 by the clause “ behold I have told you before”. Verse 26 by the word wherefore. Verse 27 and 28 by the word for. Right up to the tribulation in verse 29 which precedes the coming of the Jesus and the gathering of the elect in verses 30 and 31.

This is a grammatical fact that can not be contested honestly.

Take care

 

[Clare73]

We are to follow in the steps of Jesus .... Jesus kept the 7th day Sabbath.

So? . . .He also kept all the ceremonial and purification laws, including sacrifices.

Do you follow in his steps?

1 Peter 2:21

For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps.

He led by example.

Actions speak louder than words.

 

[John Mullally]

No one ever said they happen at the same time. What is being said is that verse 20 is connected to verse 31 also. And this is done grammatically. Verse 20 is connected to what is previously stated by the word but. As is 21 by the word for. 22 by the word and. 23 by the word then. Verse 24 by the word for. Verse 25 by the clause “ behold I have told you before”. Verse 26 by the word wherefore. Verse 27 and 28 by the word for. Right up to the tribulation in verse 29 which precedes the coming of the Jesus and the gathering of the elect in verses 30 and 31.

This means the exhortation to pray that our flight not be in the winter or on the Sabbath is connected to the tribulation prior to Jesus second coming to gather the elect. This is a grammatical fact that can not be contested honestly.

Take care

The instructions to "run for the mountains" in verse 16 applies only to the people in Judea after they observe the "abomination of desolation" in verse 15. The preparatory instruction to pray that you flight not be in Winter or the Sabbath in verse 20 applies to those instructed to flee in verse 16 (i.e. those living in Judea).

People living in Greece, Syria, Italy etc. were not told what to do when the "abomination of desolation" in verse 15 occurs.

 

[Clare73]

Yes 20-31 are connected in context grammatically.

Previously addressed. . .

 

[HIM]

The instructions to "run for the mountains" in verse 16 applies only to the people in Judea after they observe the "abomination of desolation" in verse 15. The preparatory instruction to pray that you flight not be in Winter or the Sabbath in verse 20 applies to those instructed to flee in verse 16 (i.e. those living in Judea).

People living in Greece, Syria, Italy etc. were not told what to do when the "abomination of desolation" in verse 15 occurs.

No they won't, but they will experience the tribulation spoken of in verse 29 before Jesus comes and the elect are gathered. And they are exhorted to pray that their flight during this tribulation not be in the winter nor on the Sabbath. Because What is being said in verse 20 is connected to verse 31 also. And this is done grammatically. Verse 20 is connected to what is previously stated by the word but. As is 21 by the word for. 22 by the word and. 23 by the word then. Verse 24 by the word for. Verse 25 by the clause “ behold I have told you before”. Verse 26 by the word wherefore. Verse 27 and 28 by the word for. Right up to the tribulation in verse 29 which precedes the coming of the Jesus and the gathering of the elect in verses 30 and 31.

So once again this means the exhortation to pray that our flight not be in the winter or on the Sabbath is connected to the tribulation prior to Jesus second coming to gather the elect. This is a grammatical fact that can not be contested honestly. So stop trying.

Take care

 

[HIM]

Previously addressed. . .

Not even close. Because What is being said is that verse 20 is connected to verse 31 also. And this is done grammatically. Verse 20 is connected to what is previously stated by the word but. As is 21 by the word for. 22 by the word and. 23 by the word then. Verse 24 by the word for. Verse 25 by the clause “ behold I have told you before”. Verse 26 by the word wherefore. Verse 27 and 28 by the word for. Right up to the tribulation in verse 29 which precedes the coming of the Jesus and the gathering of the elect in verses 30 and 31.

This means the exhortation to pray that our flight not be in the winter or on the Sabbath is connected to the tribulation prior to Jesus second coming to gather the elect. This is a grammatical fact that can not be contested honestly.

Take care

 

[eleos1954]

So? . . .He also kept all the ceremonial and purification laws, including sacrifices.

Do you follow in his steps?

the ceremonial laws were nailed to the cross .... sacrifices did cease ...
the moral law (10 commandments) stand

In studying Colossians 2:14-17, we ought to pay some regard to the consistency of the figures which the apostle uses, lest we represent him as a simpleton in spite of his inspiration.

It is first to be noticed that the subject of the apostle’s remark is the “handwriting of ordinances.” This expression will not apply in any sense to the ten commandments; for no abuse of language can be carried far enough to allow us to call them a “handwriting;” and they contained not a singe “ordinance,” or ceremony.

The “handwriting of ordinances” is not the ten commandments.

The apostle further says that this “handwriting” was “blotted out.” That only can be blotted out with the ink and pen of the scribe, which has been written by the hand of the scribe. That which is engraved in stone might be brushed over and discolored with ink; but the engraving would be there in all its distinctness still; it could not in any sense be “blotted out,” and it would be utterly inconsistent to apply that term to it.

The apostle continues that this handwriting was “nailed to the cross.” If we attempt to apply this to the ten commandments, we involve the astute and logical Paul in the absurdity of talking about nailing up tables of stone. Against such an idea there are two objections: 1. That which was designed ever to be annulled by being nailed up after the ancient manner of parchment laws, would not have been put upon such material as stone, in the first place; and, 2. Having been engraved on stone, the proper way to annul them, if they had to be annulled, would be to break the stone tablets, not to try the absurd and impossible feat of nailing them up.

The figure of blotting out and nailing up the laws written by men upon parchment, as applied to what Christ accomplished by his death upon the cross, is at once consistent and forcible.

Christ was nailed to the cross. In him all offerings met their antitype, all shadows their substance. They were there nailed in him to the cross. Men could look upon him and say, Here is the great sacrifice which supersedes all typical offerings. The laws (ceremonial) for these are now no longer in force; they are nailed with him to the cross.

 

[John Mullally]

We are to follow in the steps of Jesus .... Jesus kept the 7th day Sabbath.

1 Peter 2:21

For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps.

He led by example.

Actions speak louder than words.

The Mosaic Laws were given to the Jews. Gentile believers were observed receiving the Holy Spirit without observing the Mosaic Law. It became apparent to the Apostles that they needed to hear from the Holy Spirit and arrive at a consensus on which portions of the Mosaic Law Gentile believers are instructed to comply with. Their final decision on this matter was made in the letter sent to the Gentiles in Acts 15:23-29, which is termed the Jerusalem Decree.

Acts 15:23 They wrote this letter by them:

The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,

To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.

Farewell.​

Some say that taking the Jerusalem Decree literally leads to lawlessness. To which I say Jesus commanded his disciples to keep His commandments (John 14:15), not the Mosaic Law. We are all to keep Jesus's commandments.

Years after the Jerusalem Decree, Paul reiterates the portions of the Mosaic Law the Gentiles are to keep and nothing has changed - thus confirming the decision.

Acts 21:24 Take them and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads, and that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you are nothing, but that you yourself also walk orderly and keep the law. 25 But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided that they should observe no such thing, except that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.”​

And a warning from Paul.

Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless.​

 

[John Mullally]

No they won't, but they will experience the tribulation spoken of in verse 29 before Jesus comes and the elect are gathered. And they are exhorted to pray that their flight during this tribulation not be in the winter nor on the Sabbath. Because What is being said in verse 20 is connected to verse 31 also. And this is done grammatically. Verse 20 is connected to what is previously stated by the word but. As is 21 by the word for. 22 by the word and. 23 by the word then. Verse 24 by the word for. Verse 25 by the clause “ behold I have told you before”. Verse 26 by the word wherefore. Verse 27 and 28 by the word for. Right up to the tribulation in verse 29 which precedes the coming of the Jesus and the gathering of the elect in verses 30 and 31.

So once again this means the exhortation to pray that our flight not be in the winter or on the Sabbath is connected to the tribulation prior to Jesus second coming to gather the elect. This is a grammatical fact that can not be contested honestly. So stop trying.

Take care

Matthew 24:20 strictly applies to those living in Judea (re-read Matthew 24:15-20).

In Matthew 24:21-26, during the tribulation Jesus commands men to avoid those declaring "Look, here is the Christ!". There is nothing there about fight or flight in those passages, or observing the Sabbath in those passages.

Later verses are about Christ's return.