Jesus prophesied that we would be keeping the Sabbath until He returns in Matthew 24

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Not really, I am however not leaving off the important part.

19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”​

By the Jews.

 

[Leaf473]

The text you are not quoting does not appear to say that Levites serve in the temple of God at the time of the second coming.

True! I was using it as an example of how prophecy as it actually plays out is sometimes different from what we might think when we read it.

A different example might be prophecies about the 10 Northern tribes returning from exile.

So as it relates to fleeing on the Sabbath, well, it might turn out to be different than we're imagining.
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Edit: I got to thinking maybe I should read that passage again,

Jeremiah 33
For the Lord says: “David will never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel. The Levitical priests won’t lack a man before me to offer burnt offerings, to burn meal offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.

So Yes, technically, it doesn't say they are serving in the Temple. But it does say they are doing burnt offerings and stuff, and I think the law says that can only be done at the tent or Temple.

 

[HIM]

Yes, we keep the Sabbath in the NT according to Hebrews 3-4, i.e., in God's full-time rest (Hebrews 4:3-4)--in Jesus Christ's saving work, and from our own work to save.

You are not addressing the text you are responding to and the facts that are shared. Quite simply the fact that contextually the exhortation to pray that our flight from persecution not be in the winter or on the Sabbath in verse 20 is grammatically connected through the great tribulation and the tribulation spoken of in verse 29 up to the second coming of Jesus when the Angels gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other in verse 31. And As @BobRyan shared what you alluding to makes no sense. Because Jesus is speaking of a Day not a state of being.

Which is not the context Christ gives for it in Matt 24. It is very clear that Jesus and his hearers knew exactly what he meant in Matt 24 -- and so changing the meaning of his term "THE Sabbath day" into "every day be a Christian" would turn the text into the nonsensical "pray that your flight not be on any day at all in the year".

Context matters.
You appear to agree you are trying to insert a meaning into Matt 24 that Jesus did not give.
Are you doing that on purpose??

Amen and Happy Sabbath brother!

Previosly addressed. . .

Not in the least bit. Address the facts given within the passages cited. Thank you.

 

[HIM]

Hebrews 4 teaches that the Sabbath rest does not involve having a requirement that worship should be on a Saturday. Christians do not observe the Jewish Sabbath. Being genuinely converted to Christ means entering into a superior rest than the Saturday Sabbath observance. It is a rest in Christ where our salvation does not depend on works, but in what Jesus keeping the Law for us and being our Substitute when he suffered and died on the Cross. It is the reflection that as God rested from His works (creation of the universe), as those who are converted to Christ also enter into a rest in Him from works.

This ties into the Scripture, "The work of God is that we believe in Christ". Believing in Christ transforms us so that we become totally law abiding Christians who love God with all our heart, mind and strength, and we love our neighbour as we love ourselves. That replaces compliance with the Commandments set in stone.

Therefore the commandment to observe the Saturday Sabbath is fulfilled through faith in Christ as is shown in Hebrews 4:9-10:
"So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His."
Therefore, entering into God's rest through faith in Christ has made the Saturday Sabbath observance obsolete.

You are not addressing the Opening post and the text shared. Posting another text outside of the one given and the facts shared about them doesn't dispel the facts. Quite simply the fact that contextually through the connectors For, And, Then, For, Behold, Wherefore, For and And in verses 21- 31 the exhortation to pray that our flight from persecution not be in the winter or on the Sabbath in verse 20 is grammatically connected through the great tribulation and the tribulation spoken of in verse 29; up to the second coming of Jesus when the Angels gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other in verse 31.

 

[HIM]

The Jerusalem Decree (Acts 15:23-29) written to the Gentile believers lists the portions of the Law of Moses the Gentile believers are required to keep and it makes no mention of the Sabbath.

Acts 15:23 They wrote this letter by them:
The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law” —to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
Farewell.​

Some may say that taking Jerusalem Decree literally leads to lawlessness. To which I say Jesus commanded his disciples to keep His commandments (John 14:15), not Moses commandments. We are all to keep Jesus's commandments.

Years after the Jerusalem Decree, Paul reiterates the portions of the Law the Gentiles are to keep and nothing has changed - there is still no mention of the Sabbath.

Acts 21:24 Take them and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads, and that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you are nothing, but that you yourself also walk orderly and keep the law. 25 But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided that they should observe no such thing, except that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.”​

You are not addressing the Opening post and the text shared. Posting another text outside of the one given and the facts shared about them doesn't dispel the facts. Quite simply the fact that contextually through the connectors For, And, Then, For, Behold, Wherefore, For and And in verses 21- 31 the exhortation to pray that our flight from persecution not be in the winter or on the Sabbath in verse 20 is grammatically connected through the great tribulation and the tribulation spoken of in verse 29; up to the second coming of Jesus when the Angels gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other in verse 31.

 

[Leaf473]

Jesus never mentions "A Sabbath's day journey" and never comments on disciples abiding by that tradition.



might be a better idea to stay with the topic.

Jesus never mentions it, true. The book of Acts mentions it, and it's possible the apostles are abiding by it by not traveling more than a Sabbath Day's journey from Jerusalem in Acts 1.

If we can drive 20 or 30 miles on the Sabbath, then I'm trying to imagine what the prayer to not flee on the Sabbath is about.

I think it's on topic. Maybe the prophecy relates to observant Jews who today don't drive on the Sabbath. Maybe when they see these things happening their eyes will be opened. I'm trying to figure out what sort of Sabbath the passage is talking about.

 

[HIM]

Jesus was in Jerusalem and healed a paralytic by a pool at Bethesda. The Jews accused him of working on the Sabbath. Jesus responded

John 5:16-18 (WEB)
16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

You are not addressing the Opening post and the text shared. Posting another text outside of the one given and the facts shared about them doesn't dispel the facts. Quite simply the fact that contextually through the connectors For, And, Then, For, Behold, Wherefore, For and And in verses 21- 31 the exhortation to pray that our flight from persecution not be in the winter or on the Sabbath in verse 20 is grammatically connected through the great tribulation and the tribulation spoken of in verse 29; up to the second coming of Jesus when the Angels gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other in verse 31.

 

[HIM]

Not one text in all of scripture says that anyone met "every week day 1" - much less assign a title of honor to "week day 1".

That's a big reason why this subject gets discussed so much on this forum

Sad how the falsehood that you responded to can get so much footing even after it is proven time and time again that the Holy Writ does not support it.
2Thess 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

 

[Leaf473]

If someone from an Orthodox Jewish family in Israel breaks the Sabbath law, that one might be made an outcast, get divorced, get disinherited, fired from a job, excluded from a synagogue, etc. They are strict about Shabbat (Sabbath), stricter than the SDA church.

It is not only a violation to turn on a light switch on Shabbat, it is illegal to hire a Goy/Gentile servant to turn on a light switch on Shabbat.
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1140867/jewish/The-Myth-of-the-Shabbos-Goy.htm

Yes, I've heard similar things. I was once listening to a podcast where the rabbi was talking about how if your house catches fire on the Sabbath, the only things you can take out are people or copies of the scriptures. Everything else, including your brand new iphone, has to stay in.

So maybe that's who the passage is intended for, observant Jews reading it later on. Just a thought.

 

[BobRyan]

Jesus was in Jerusalem and healed a paralytic by a pool at Bethesda. The Jews accused him of working on the Sabbath. Jesus responded

John 5:16-18 (WEB)
16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

certainly we can agree that Jesus' enemies falsely accused Him of going against the Word of God. I think we can all agree on that. In their eyes He was breaking the Sabbath ".

Similarly -- in Acts 10 Peter says "28 And he said to them, “You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a man who is a Jew to associate with a foreigner or to visit him; "

But in fact there is no such law in all of scripture and there is no law in OT or NT against healing the sick on Sabbath.

No wonder scholars on BOTH sides of the Sabbath / Sunday debate affirm the continuation of the Sabbath commandment for all mankind in the NT. Where they tend to differ is on which day it should be in the NT.

 

[dqhall]

certainly we can agree that Jesus' enemies falsely accused Him of going against the Word of God. I think we can all agree on that. In their eyes He was breaking the Sabbath ".

Similarly -- in Acts 10 Peter says "28 And he said to them, “You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a man who is a Jew to associate with a foreigner or to visit him; "

But in fact there is no such law in all of scripture and there is no law in OT or NT against healing the sick on Sabbath.

No wonder scholars on BOTH sides of the Sabbath / Sunday debate affirm the continuation of the Sabbath commandment for all mankind in the NT. Where they tend to differ is on which day it should be in the NT.

There are Kosher laws in Leviticus 11 against eating pork, rabbit, squid etc. Anyone who touches a carcass of such an animal is made unclean.

A dead lizard in a pot made the entire pot unclean. They had to smash it.

Jews were forbidden to enter a Gentile house for fear the ritually unclean foods (dead pig carcass/ meat) touched other things making the whole house suspected of uncleanness.

In Leviticus 12 and beyond, there are issues with a woman in her period being unclean for seven days. Jewish Talmudic commentary commands she should be quarantined then. She does not sit in someone else’s chair. Lepers are also considered unclean and had to be isolated. Some houses with mold spots were considered unclean and torn down. Mold spores are toxic.

The Talmudic rabbinical commentary extends back to the first century BC.

 

[dqhall]

Yes, I've heard similar things. I was once listening to a podcast where the rabbi was talking about how if your house catches fire on the Sabbath, the only things you can take out are people or copies of the scriptures. Everything else, including your brand new iphone, has to stay in.

So maybe that's who the passage is intended for, observant Jews reading it later on. Just a thought.

I stayed in a Tel Aviv area hotel the night before a flight back to London then the U.S. It had an elevator. The elevator stopped on every floor during Shabbat so they would not have to push an elevator button on the seventh day.

 

[John Mullally]

You are not addressing the Opening post and the text shared. Posting another text outside of the one given and the facts shared about them doesn't dispel the facts. Quite simply the fact that contextually through the connectors For, And, Then, For, Behold, Wherefore, For and And in verses 21- 31 the exhortation to pray that our flight from persecution not be in the winter or on the Sabbath in verse 20 is grammatically connected through the great tribulation and the tribulation spoken of in verse 29; up to the second coming of Jesus when the Angels gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other in verse 31.

Who is the "we" in the OP "we will be keeping the Sabbath"?

If the "we" is all Christians, then it is important to note that the Apostles excluded any requirement on Gentile Christians to observe the Sabbath based upon the letter to the Gentiles in Acts 15:23-29 - that letter includes a list of the portions of the Law of Moses that the Gentile believers were required to keep. Paul repeats that exact same list years later in Acts 21:24-25.

In Matthew 24:20-31. Jesus was talking about Jerusalem Jews - the notion of Gentile believers was not introduced for many more years. Context is key.

 

[Clare73]

Yes, we keep the Sabbath in the NT according to Hebrews 3-4, i.e., in God's full-time rest (Hebrews 4:3-4)--in Jesus Christ's saving work, and from our own work to save.

You are not addressing the text you are responding to and the facts that are shared. Quite simply the fact that contextually the exhortation to pray that our flight from persecution not be in the winter or on the Sabbath in verse 20 is grammatically connected through the great tribulation

Singular prophecies sometimes referred to multiple events without distinguishing them. Only fulfillment reveals it was multiple. So it is with Jesus' prophecy regarding the end of the "age." He prophesies of the end of the OT church age as well as of the end of the NT church age (end of time).
V. 20 refers to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
Matthew's gospel was written to Jews and is the only account that includes that statement, because it would directly impact the practicing Jews.

and the tribulation spoken of in verse 29 up to the second coming of Jesus when the Angels gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other in verse 31.

And that part of the prophecy refers to the end of the NT church age, the world and time.

 

[HIM]

Who is the "we" in the OP "we will be keeping the Sabbath"?

In Matthew 24:20-31. Jesus was talking about Jerusalem Jews - the notion of Gentile believers was not introduced for many more years. Context is key.

No Jesus was speaking to the church up to His second coming. The context is through the great tribulation and the tribulation spoken of in verse 29; up to the second coming of Jesus when the Angels gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other in verse 31.

 

[HIM]

Singular prophecies sometimes referred to multiple events without distinguishing them. Only fulfillment reveals it was multiple. So it is with Jesus' prophecy regarding the end of the "age." He prophesies of the end of the OT church age as well as of the end of the NT church age (end of time).
V. 20 refers to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
Matthew's gospel was written to Jews and is the only account that includes that statement, because it would directly impact the unbelieving practicing Jews.
And that part of the prophecy refers to the end of the NT church, world and time.

And all the verses are contextually connected grammatically as was explain in the OP. So that means the exhortation to pray that your flight not be in the winter or the Sabbath includes the tribulation being spoken of in verse 29 up to His second coming.

 

[John Mullally]

No Jesus was speaking to the church up to His second coming. The context is through the great tribulation and the tribulation spoken of in verse 29; up to the second coming of Jesus when the Angels gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other in verse 31.

Nice try. Matthew 24:16 makes it clear that Matthew 24:20 in particular is talking about Judea.

Matthew 24:16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.
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[Clare73]

And all the verses are contextually connected grammatically as was explain in the OP. So that means the exhortation to pray that your flight not be in the winter or the Sabbath includes the tribulation being spoken of in verse 29 up to His second coming.

All verses grammatically connecting does not keep it from being two prophecies of two different events, and it referring to the first prophecy regarding the first event.

 

[HIM]

All verses grammatically connecting does not keep it from being two prophecies of two different events, and it referring to the first prophecy regarding the first event.

But what it does do is connect verse 20 to 31

 

[HIM]

Nice try. Matthew 24:16 makes it clear that Matthew 24:20 in particular is talking about Judea.

Matthew 24:16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.
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No What is clear is that verse 20 is contextually connected to verse 31 grammatically by the following words in the verses after verse 20 which are connectors. These words are; For, And, Then, For, Behold, Wherefore, For and And. That means that the exhortation to pray that our flight not be in the winter or the Sabbath is for the tribulations mentioned in verses 21 and 29 up to the gathering of the elect.