Is there separate heavens?

[d taylor]

Ah, I just thought some says you have to tolerate others

If you want to eventually go to heaven after your death. There is only one act you can do that will get you there. In the Old testament Adam sinned and caused everyone to be born into sin separated from God. But God made a way for humankind to be made right again for God.

That way is, God in the Old Testament promised to send a redeemer who would take away the sin of the world, that Adam caused.
In the Old testament the redeemer is slowly reveled over time with more prophecies given as time goes on (in the Bible Old Testament). To who and what to look for with this redeemer, also known as the promised Messiah, Son of God (one prophecy is Isaiah 53).

In the New Testament the promised Messiah is reveled to be the person known as Jesus. The Gospel of John testifies that Jesus is the promised Messiah (Only begotten/unique Son of God) from Old Testament prophecies (Isaiah 53).

The Bible states if a person wants eternal life salvation. What a person (any person living) must do to receive eternal life. Is to believe that Jesus is the promised Messiah from the Old Testament prophecies and trust in the Messiah (Jesus) for the gift of His (Jesus) eternal life.

So to receive eternal life salvation (and go to heaven) a person simply trust in the promised Messiah for eternal life.

Read the Gospel of John and believe its message of life.

 

[Principium]

If you want to eventually go to heaven after your death. There is only one act you can do that will get you there. In the Old testament Adam sinned and caused everyone to be born into sin separated from God. But God made a way for humankind to be made right again for God.

That way is, God in the Old Testament promised to send a redeemer who would take away the sin of the world, that Adam caused.
In the Old testament the redeemer is slowly reveled over time with more prophecies given as time goes on (in the Bible Old Testament). To who and what to look for with this redeemer, also known as the promised Messiah, Son of God (one prophecy is Isaiah 53).

In the New Testament the promised Messiah is reveled to be the person known as Jesus. The Gospel of John testifies that Jesus is the promised Messiah (Only begotten/unique Son of God) from Old Testament prophecies (Isaiah 53).

The Bible states if a person wants eternal life salvation. What a person (any person living) must do to receive eternal life. Is to believe that Jesus is the promised Messiah from the Old Testament prophecies and trust in the Messiah (Jesus) for the gift of His (Jesus) eternal life.

So to receive eternal life salvation (and go to heaven) a person simply trust in the promised Messiah for eternal life.

Read the Gospel of John and believe its message of life.

Yes, but I do still struggle with a logical question, how is my body following the soul into heaven, I don`t want to be without and I don`t want to be without being here on this planet?

 

[d taylor]

1 John 4:8-13

A believer can not know God by falling into sin. Knowing God in this context is not receiving eternal life.

John who wrote The Gospel of John and in The Gospel of John states over and over that eternal life is given by trusting in the Messiah for eternal life. Is not now, in 1 John 4 changing his mind and the way a person receives eternal.

For a person to receive eternal life salvation the one requirement is (for any person) .

To trust in the Messiah for the gift of His eternal life, the promise of eternal life, is for anyone who will trust in The Messiah for life.

It simply has nothing to do with, is a person loving everybody. God love us that is what counts, but loving God or people, counts for nothing, if a person has not trusted in The messiah for eternal life.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
She said to Him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”

but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.

 

[Principium]

A believer can not know God by falling into sin. Knowing God in this context is not receiving eternal life.

John who wrote The Gospel of John and in The Gospel of John states over and over that eternal life is given by trusting in the Messiah for eternal life. Is not now, in 1 John 4 changing his mind and the way a person receives eternal.

For a person to receive eternal life salvation the one requirement is (for any person) .

To trust in the Messiah for the gift of His eternal life, the promise of eternal life, is for anyone who will trust in The Messiah for life.

It simply has nothing to do with, is a person loving everybody. God love us that is what counts, but loving God or people, counts for nothing, if a person has not trusted in The messiah for eternal life.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
She said to Him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”

but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.

But ... most people do still sin when they die, do they never go to heaven then, I mean most people ... do they never go to heaven since they don`t truly know god by being completly good?

 

[Radagast]

Hello again, I was just thinking ... I`m not antisocial or something, but I don`t really want to live with humans in heaven only animals

The afterlife involves other people. If you love other people, it's Heaven. If you hate other people, it's Hell.

 

[Principium]

The afterlife involves other people. If you love other people, it's Heaven. If you hate other people, it's Hell.

Ah yes, I understand ...

 

[Radagast]

Yes, but I do still struggle with a logical question, how is my body following the soul into heaven

This is what Christians call "the Resurrection" -- getting new bodies.

 

[d taylor]

Yes, but I do still struggle with a logical question, how is my body following the soul into heaven, I don`t want to be without and I don`t want to be without being here on this planet?

One thing that you might not realize. Is heaven is a temporary place that a departed person will live until God creates the new heaven and earth. The new earth (with out sin, death, etc..) will eventually be our permanent home.

As for your body you will eventually get a new sinless body, more than likely like you are now but without the sin. When a believer gets this body will be at the resurrection. Just like Jesus new body He had after His resurrection, Jesus had to be the first to be resurrected and receive the new body as a model for all believers.

 

[Principium]

One thing that you might not realize. Is heaven is a temporary place that a departed person will live until God creates the new heaven and earth. The new earth (with out sin, death, etc..) will eventually be our permanent home.

As for your body you will eventually get a new sinless body, more than likely like you are now but without the sin. When a believer gets this body will be at the resurrection. Just like Jesus new body He had after His resurrection, Jesus had to be the first to be resurrected and receive the new body as a model for all believers.

But this paradise here on earth, will it take billions of years to create?

 

[Principium]

This is what Christians call "the Resurrection" -- getting new bodies.

Ah, new bodies ... I want to have the same as now

 

[d taylor]

But ... most people do still sin when they die, do they never go to heaven then, I mean most people ... do they never go to heaven since they don`t truly know god by being completly good?

Sin has nothing to do with a person going to heaven. Jesus took away the sin of the world.

being good has nothing to do with going to heaven.

 

[Hazelelponi]

nvm..

 

[Principium]

Sin has nothing to do with a person going to heaven. Jesus took away the sin of the world.

being good has nothing to do with going to heaven.

But how does god regulate those who still acts badly?

 

[d taylor]

But this paradise here on earth, will it take billions of years to create?

No God does not take billions of years,

 

[d taylor]

But how does god regulate those who still acts badly?

In the new earth there will be no sin people will not need regulating

 

[Principium]

No God does take billions of years,

Yes I know perhaps, but it goes very slowly

 

[Principium]

In the new earth there will be no sin people will not need regulating

Ah yes, but how does it happen really, I mean people still act badly today, so why would it suddenly change?

 

[d taylor]

Yes I know perhaps, but it goes very slowly

I meant no God does not take billion of ears.

I left out not

 

[Principium]

I meant no God does not take billion of ears.

I left out not

I understood what you meant no worries

 

[d taylor]

Ah yes, but how does it happen really, I mean people still act badly today, so why would it suddenly change?

All of the earth is now under the weight of sin and satan. That is why evil and bad thing now exist.

Originally God creation was not like it is now and eventually God will return the creation back to its original sinless condition.