Is the RFID Chip the Mark of the Beast?

[RDKirk]

We know this kind of thing will not go away. It will just be modified into another form,
that may seem more acceptable. However if a christian is hid in Christ they will not take such a step how ever it is presented.

It won't be that obvious. I amazed how many Christians so utterly underestimate Satan's capacity to deceive.

 

[Alithis]

it wil culminate into an actual marking
a receiving of an outward agreement of submission to God -or the beast based on the inner state of the heart .
the final devide .. the last great harvest

no middle ground .
the scripture are plain and clear on this .
it will come down to who a person puts their faith in

Man - or God

and they over came him by the word of their testimony and they loved not their lives unto death-(paraphrased)

 

[Mazzaroth]

It is more reliable to have faith that Jesus Christ will save you from the Mark of the Beast rather than to speculate or dwell on the fear of receiving it. Seeing as no one seems to truly understand what it is, all you need to do is trust that you will be spared from it when the time comes.


HOWEVER, you may find this interesting:

Open up your bible to Deuteronomy 6, specifically verses 5-8:

(KJV)

"[sup]5[/sup]And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

[sup]6[/sup]And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

[sup]7[/sup]And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

[sup]8[/sup]And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes."


Verse 8 talks about "binding" a symbol on the right hands and foreheads (between the eyes), which is no different than the concept of the Mark of the Beast in Revelation:

Revelation 13:16
"[sup]16[/sup]And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:"

Therefore, for sheer speculative purposes it can be considered a possibility that the Mark of the Beast could be a mentality rather than a physical mark or microchip in the same way Deuteronomy 6 talks about a "mark of godliness" on the hands and minds of God's faithful followers.

 

[Breezee]

Where can I buy one of those?

This is a serious question. You're talking about it as though it existed, so where do we get them? Wal-Mart?

Hey RDK. Why you are dissing Omena? He answered your question and proved that the chips exist. You can't buy one at Walmart yet, but they're out there.

It won't be that obvious. I amazed how many Christians so utterly underestimate Satan's capacity to deceive.

Oh I don't know. All people have to say is "as long as I follow Jesus in my heart, it doesn't matter if I bow down to this idol".
If you talk of the mark of the beast being "what you think with your mind, and what you do with your hands" rather being a real physical thing introduced by the Antichrist, then you are, in fact, already justifying taking the mark of the Beast.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

It is more reliable to have faith that Jesus Christ will save you from the Mark of the Beast rather than to speculate or dwell on the fear of receiving it. Seeing as no one seems to truly understand what it is, all you need to do is trust that you will be spared from it when the time comes.


HOWEVER, you may find this interesting:

Open up your bible to Deuteronomy 6, specifically verses 5-8:

(KJV)

"[sup]5[/sup]And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

[sup]6[/sup]And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

[sup]7[/sup]And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

[sup]8[/sup]And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes."


Verse 8 talks about "binding" a symbol on the right hands and foreheads (between the eyes), which is no different than the concept of the Mark of the Beast in Revelation:

Revelation 13:16
"[sup]16[/sup]And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:"

Therefore, for sheer speculative purposes it can be considered a possibility that the Mark of the Beast could be a mentality rather than a physical mark or microchip in the same way Deuteronomy 6 talks about a "mark of godliness" on the hands and minds of God's faithful followers.

Amen. Which Goes back to the same point I was making. Those who do not accept the mark of the beast have the mark or seal of God. And what do these persons do?

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

How do we expect to understand Revelation if we do not consider greatly its Old Testament foundation. Many of the symbols and language used in Revelation is borrowed from the Old Testament. If you ignore how it was used in the OT, you're going to miss the point in Revelation.

 

[RDKirk]

Hey RDK. Why you are dissing Omena? He answered your question and proved that the chips exist. You can't buy one at Walmart yet, but they're out there.

Go back and look at my posts. I showed that the chips are not available. Manufacture and marketing ended years ago.

Oh I don't know. All people have to say is "as long as I follow Jesus in my heart, it doesn't matter if I bow down to this idol".

Absolutely no one in this thread has said that.

 

[Norah63]

You said what I was thinking Breezee
Thanks for that post

 

[Omena]

I'm confused RDKirk because you haven't shown that the chips are not available. Take your dog to the vet and he/she can be chipped. In fact I have a friend in Canada who says, legally, he HAS to have his cat chipped.

Anyway, I don't really care so much that you don't believe me. I've already shared that I personally think the mark of the beast could be something a bit more sophisticated than the microchip.

I thought the quote from Revelation 14:12 put forth by prophecy kid was a good reminder about the need to stay faithful. And I also agree that learning a bit more from the OT (specifically Daniel) is a good idea, since there is a lot of parallel between that particular book and the Revelation.

I also wanted to share that, IMO, while the devil is deceptive, he also wants to be worshipped openly, meaning that he wants people to CHOOSE him. To trick people or to force the mark on them would not be the same. The people who will be "deceived" are those who feel they can't live without buying and selling. So in that regard, pretty much the whole world is already deceived. Whatever form the mark takes won't really matter that much, because the devil already has people believing in his system of money worship. That might sound a bit harsh, but that's what it is. People worship what they fear they can't live without.

 

[RDKirk]

I'm confused RDKirk because you haven't shown that the chips are not available. Take your dog to the vet and he/she can be chipped. In fact I have a friend in Canada who says, legally, he HAS to have his cat chipped.

You realize that dogs and cats are not human, right? And that you don't take a chip that's approved for animals and just sell the same chip for humans...you realize that, right?

I also wanted to share that, IMO, while the devil is deceptive, he also wants to be worshipped openly, meaning that he wants people to CHOOSE him.

Where do you get the idea that the devil wants to be worshipped openly? Not from the bible. When Satan tempted Jesus, none of those temptations--such as the offer to give the kingdoms of the world to Jesus--would have resulted in Satan being worshipped openly. In fact, just the opposite.

I will assert: Satan does not want to be worshipped openly. Every scripture in the bible that mentions Satan proves that he always works in shadows and is not perceivable by the human eye, except as aided by the Holy Spirit.

Whatever form the mark takes won't really matter that much, because the devil already has people believing in his system of money worship. That might sound a bit harsh, but that's what it is. People worship what they fear they can't live without.

I've already pointed that out.

 

[Norah63]

Just diffrent view points on the same topic.
Time will show us what, as well as who we are worshipping.
End time events are usually difficult for many to agree on.
Religion clouds the light many times.

 

[Omena]

The topic of whether or not Satan wants to be worshipped openly is not something that has been so clear to me, which is why I was just stating it as my opinion. I'm open to hearing other view points, as I think it directly relates to the mark of the beast and the Anti-Christ. I feel he does want to be openly worshipped based on what the Revelation says about how receiving the mark will be the same as worshipping the beast. So Satan wants people to take his mark and worship him, which seems like a pretty open thing to me.

I feel you're being a bit overly strong with me RDKirk, especially since I was originally trying to help you by answering your question about whether or not these microchips are available. In response to your question about there being a difference between animal chips and human chips, I'm afraid I don't realize there is a difference, especially since the article I cited specifically says this:

Implantable RFID chips designed for animal tagging are now being used in humans.

I suspect that you didn't read the article, so I don't feel you should be so strong with me.

 

[the.Sheepdog]

Not really. Yes there has been lots of talk about a mark to allow buying and selling and the govt to know your medical stats and bank information and where you are by GPS. But the actual mark is you swearing allegiance to the beast, the antiChrist. This is something you will probably have to say audibly and sign for. It may be hidden partially in documentation or out in the open I dont know.

If you are born again you are already sealed and wont need to worry about it. If you come to Jesus after the tribulation starts you will have to avoid the mark by yourself. You might have to die by refusing it. If you take it rather than die you are damned.

We have grace now and are once saved always saved. We cannot mess up salvation now. Afterwards in the trib grace will be at an end. Tough road to hoe.

 

[Alithis]

Not really. Yes there has been lots of talk about a mark to allow buying and selling and the govt to know your medical stats and bank information and where you are by GPS. But the actual mark is you swearing allegiance to the beast, the antiChrist. This is something you will probably have to say audibly and sign for. It may be hidden partially in documentation or out in the open I dont know.

If you are born again you are already sealed and wont need to worry about it. If you come to Jesus after the tribulation starts you will have to avoid the mark by yourself. You might have to die by refusing it. If you take it rather than die you are damned.

We have grace now and are once saved always saved. We cannot mess up salvation now. Afterwards in the trib grace will be at an end. Tough road to hoe.

? not sure what you are on about there .

are you saying that a christian who is sealed wit the Holy Spirit and lives in a Muslim country .. does not have to worry when some local unjust people come to his door drag him outside and tell him to convert to islam or Die .. that he does not have to worry because he is saved by grace ?

can you show me in the bible where those who were saved by grace were not

imprisoned ,tortured,thrown to lions ,beaten , whipped ,thrust through with spears killed by the sword and generally laid down their life for the Lord Jesus because he first laid down his life for them ?

if folks do not have in their heart .. somewhere, no mater how small, a part of them that is willing to die for the sake of the Gospel and the lord Jesus .. then they need to seriously question their faith.

the Lord Jesus said .. except you take up your cross ( the cross is an instrument of death) and follow me ..... "
and if that means following through troubles then through troubles we shall go. like so many before us have already done

 

[Omena]

We have grace now and are once saved always saved. We cannot mess up salvation now. Afterwards in the trib grace will be at an end. Tough road to hoe.

I've always had a lot of difficulty accepting the belief that we are once saved, always saved. I agree that there are places in the Bible which could be suggesting this, but then there are also places which suggest the opposite.

I do believe that God will not forsake those who choose to follow Him, but nobody can say that those who choose to follow Him are unable to forsake Him. I don't believe any one of us can be 100% sure of the strength of our faith. What I mean is, if we are faced with death or torture (or not being able to buy and sell), that is when we will really find out what our faith is made of. I think that's why Jesus told us to "pray that we may be counted worthy" when he was talking about the last days. I think we need to be working out our salvation with fear and trembling (as Paul put it), which in practical terms has actually been very helpful for me. It helps to keep us humble, and it also helps us to examine our actions everyday.

If you come to Jesus after the tribulation starts you will have to avoid the mark by yourself.

So many of us have different views on the rapture and when it will take place, so I won't go into this too much. I personally believe the rapture is at the last trump (i.e. the end of the tribulation). But if I turned out to be wrong in this, great! I would be quite pleased not to have to deal with a faithless world and the potential of death and torture at the hand of the Anti-Christ. However, I'm prepared to go though that. Do people think that it could be beneficial to at least be PREPARED to go through the tribulation, even if you don't believe you will have to?

 

[Norah63]

Nice post Omena. That is a good way to explain faith, by being prepared at all times.
We desire to serve in what ever way our Lord needs. Fully confident that He will see us through the times to come.
Rapture before hard times is an osas teaching. I dont see it in scripture and think that fewer and fewer are preaching it today.

 

[Alithis]

I've always had a lot of difficulty accepting the belief that we are once saved, always saved. I agree that there are places in the Bible which could be suggesting this, but then there are also places which suggest the opposite.

I do believe that God will not forsake those who choose to follow Him, but nobody can say that those who choose to follow Him are unable to forsake Him. I don't believe any one of us can be 100% sure of the strength of our faith. What I mean is, if we are faced with death or torture (or not being able to buy and sell), that is when we will really find out what our faith is made of. I think that's why Jesus told us to "pray that we may be counted worthy" when he was talking about the last days. I think we need to be working out our salvation with fear and trembling (as Paul put it), which in practical terms has actually been very helpful for me. It helps to keep us humble, and it also helps us to examine our actions everyday.



So many of us have different views on the rapture and when it will take place, so I won't go into this too much. I personally believe the rapture is at the last trump (i.e. the end of the tribulation). But if I turned out to be wrong in this, great! I would be quite pleased not to have to deal with a faithless world and the potential of death and torture at the hand of the Anti-Christ. However, I'm prepared to go though that. Do people think that it could be beneficial to at least be PREPARED to go through the tribulation, even if you don't believe you will have to?

well said
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( I started the "convince me" thread only in order to not derail this one )

 

[DennisTate]

Hi Dennis,

Thanks for posting that article. I think it's great that you're looking for alternatives, however my personal opinion is that any alternatives we come up with--whether it's buying a plot of land, growing our own crops, or making our own currency--will be foiled by the Anti-Christ. The reality is that his system will be ruling this world more than ever in those last days, so in order to be outside of it I think we need to look well beyond any system which uses money (or material goods) as it's foundation.

This is why I like to focus on the connection between the mark of the beast and what Jesus said about living by faith (specifically, but not limited to, Matthew 6:24). I think it's this childlike faith that God will feed and clothe us that will give us the courage and wisdom to refuse the mark.

Interesting!

I read a book by Pastor David Wilkerson about a vision he had been given in 1973 that showed land within a hundred miles of a major city becoming astonishingly expensive because people wanted to get away from the cities so that they could at least have a garden!


"There will be a sudden rush to buy farms, ranches, and homes in the country.
Thousands will attempt to flee from cities, hoping that a return to the land and
nature will provide security. There will be a growing urge to "get away from it
all"---and much money will be invested in land and acreage in rural areas by
people who have secret dreams of raising their own food and cattle and of
becoming self-supporting. The price of open rural land will continue to soar.
Acreage within 100 miles of most major cities will skyrocket out of reach to
all but syndicates." (David Wilkerson, The Vision, page 18,19).

 

[DennisTate]

I think he had just seen the movie "Logan's Run."

I got the impression at the time that he had a near death experience but those types of prophecies are conditional, not absolute like Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel or the Book of REvelation!

If we make better choices NDE prophecies can be delayed or hopefully even postponed permanently!

 

[Omena]

"There will be a sudden rush to buy farms, ranches, and homes in the country.
Thousands will attempt to flee from cities, hoping that a return to the land and
nature will provide security. There will be a growing urge to "get away from it
all"---and much money will be invested in land and acreage in rural areas by
people who have secret dreams of raising their own food and cattle and of
becoming self-supporting. The price of open rural land will continue to soar.
Acreage within 100 miles of most major cities will skyrocket out of reach to
all but syndicates." (David Wilkerson, The Vision, page 18,19).

I can easily this as being a very accurate prediction. There are a couple of moneyless movements that I am aware of which are doing just this. The thing is, I don't feel a step in this direction is necessarily bad. I always like to promote simple/community living. It's just that we can deceive ourselves into thinking that we can "trick" the beast's system, which is not the case. I personally don't believe that the Revelation was given to John (and ultimately to us) so that we could work out how to avoid all this bad stuff. To me, it's preparation, and a warning. The AC will rule this world, and the only way to beat him is not give in to him, even in the face of death.

I think the mark of the beast will deceive many because it will seem so harmless. "It's just the next step in banking technology" so many will say. It makes sense to me that devil would use something that we have all come to rely on as the tool to get people to worship him. If the mark was nothing more than, say, a 666 tattoo that performed no function at all, most of the world just wouldn't bother.

 

[candle glow]

I think the mark of the beast will deceive many because it will seem so harmless. "It's just the next step in banking technology" so many will say. It makes sense to me that devil would use something that we have all come to rely on as the tool to get people to worship him. If the mark was nothing more than, say, a 666 tattoo that performed no function at all, most of the world just wouldn't bother.

Exactly. There is talk in the Bible of "great deception", but it's hardly deceptive for a person to command the world to worship him, like bowing down or taking 666 tattoos.

The deception will be in the Mark. There has also been some talk of people being forced to take it, but that will not be necessary.

If you cannot buy or sell without it, people's own stomachs will cause them to take it. Most people, including most Christians, will not even think of it as a "Mark". As Omena said, they will simply view it as the next step in banking technology.

They make no connection between what Jesus said about working for love vs working for money, and what the Revelation says about buying and selling.

They will deceive themselves.