Is the RFID Chip the Mark of the Beast?

[Alithis]

Do any of you guys realize how important WORSHIP is in all of this. Those who take the mark of the beast also worship the beast and his image. Those who do not take the mark of the beast worship God.

Worship is what the devil really wants. That's what he wanted from Jesus in the wilderness and in the last days that is what he wants from us. Nobody is mentioning the importance of worship and what it means to worship the beast.

Is it possible that there would be those without any physical mark but are still worshiping the beast, thinking they are safe because they don't have a chip or a tattoo? There is not enough focus on the spiritual applications of these things and all we focus on is chips and tattoos.

Yes absolutely worship is at the heart of it ..

but what we worship is made manifest by the outward .. the outward glorifies the inward ..

just as a person who truly worships the Lord Jesus in Spirit and in Truth ..developes and outward show of that inner state of heart .

and aply tree is known by its apples - fruit .

so it is if a person worships materialism .. he/she ends up placing importance on having the coolest -car - iphone- dress- purfume-shoes-house .. etc .. the out reflects the inner.

people will not take on the mark of the beast because they think its a god idea .. bar some atheists.

but because they already place their trust in the world (system ) and have ittle to no faith in God .they have in essence already received the mark of the Antichrist which is also an attitude of no faith in God .

 

[Omena]

Well said Omena!

I would love to get your opinion on this particular option that I put forward a few months back:

Hi Dennis,

Thanks for posting that article. I think it's great that you're looking for alternatives, however my personal opinion is that any alternatives we come up with--whether it's buying a plot of land, growing our own crops, or making our own currency--will be foiled by the Anti-Christ. The reality is that his system will be ruling this world more than ever in those last days, so in order to be outside of it I think we need to look well beyond any system which uses money (or material goods) as it's foundation.

This is why I like to focus on the connection between the mark of the beast and what Jesus said about living by faith (specifically, but not limited to, Matthew 6:24). I think it's this childlike faith that God will feed and clothe us that will give us the courage and wisdom to refuse the mark.

 

[Omena]

Do any of you guys realize how important WORSHIP is in all of this. Those who take the mark of the beast also worship the beast and his image. Those who do not take the mark of the beast worship God.

First I just wanted to share, prophecy kid, that I don't believe there will be those who refuse the mark of the beast at the same time they worship the Anti-Christ. I think that refusing the mark will take a tremendous amount of faith and courage, the likes of which can only come from God. People who like the AC almost certainly would not refuse his mark, because they would believe in him.

Aside from that I think you make a good point, prophecy kid, about worship. Perhaps we can discuss HOW we worship the beast. I think we can all agree that worshipping the devil is a lot more subtle than partaking in acts of blatant devil worship.

One example is greed. Paul mentioned in his letter to the Colossians and the Ephesians that greed is the same as idolatry, and we can all be greedy at times. So if our greed causes us to take the mark of the beast (perhaps because it will allow us to buy nice things), then we are guilty of worshipping the beast.

 

[abacabb]

Just don't take the chip to stay on the safe side.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Just don't take the chip to stay on the safe side.

From a biblical point of view to be safe just keep the commandments of God, because the saints keep the commandments of God while everyone else worships the beast. Revelation 14 from verse 6 is a call for everyone to worship the true God who created all of us. Then the third angel says whoever worships the beast and takes his mark will have his part in the lake of fire. Then afterward we are presented with the saints who have the faith of Jesus and keep his commandments.

Worshiping the beast and keeping the commandments of God are mutually exclusive. The Beast/Antichrist is called the man of sin. Sin according to the bible is the transgression of the law. Worshiping the beast would have you going against the commands of God.

 

[Omena]

Just don't take the chip to stay on the safe side.

Easier said than done. I've found that many who say they would never accept the mark start back peddaling when they consider what it would cost them: their job, their house, maybe their family, food, and perhaps even their own life. You might as well say: "just forsake everything you have to be on the safe side"

For many Christians, the mark of the beast will be accepted and tolerated for the "safety" of their families. One may argue that God must want them to accept the mark because He would never want their families to suffer. But is that what Jesus said?

 

[abacabb]

May God in His mercy grant the strength.

 

[RDKirk]

A Social Security number is the mark of the Beast.
No, a telephone is the mark of the Beast.
No, credit cards is the mark of the Beast.
No, a Facebook account is the mark of the Beast.

 

[RDKirk]

I read a powerful book entitled "Clay and Iron" by Dr. William Deagle back in 1999. He was shown a vision in which something like this was introduced but....the final version had a program in it to kill the recipient at 70 years of age.

Taking a chip with that capacity is almost like agreeing to commit suicide, years in advance!

I think he had just seen the movie "Logan's Run."

 

[RDKirk]

I'm sure you've heard about these chips, they go in your dominant hand or your forehead (as said in the bible).

What are your thoughts? I've talked to a few pastors who say it undoubtedly is, due to its tracking power and other vile things that it is capable of.

Where can I buy one of those?

This is a serious question. You're talking about it as though it existed, so where do we get them? Wal-Mart?

 

[RDKirk]

I do believe the devil is more cunning than this. Could it be possible that he can have us worrying so much about not receiving a physical mark that the spiritual gets lost. The devil can operate with a physical mark as well for a distraction to what the real issue is. Having folks think that all they need to do to not accept the mark of the beast is refuse a chip or a tattoo when it is much deeper than that.

His most defining characteristic is to conceal, camouflage, deceive, and distract. Even if we could wire all our brains together, Satan would still be more clever than we are. The "threat" you see is almost guaranteed not to be the real threat.

Here is a guarantee: It will be something specifically crafted to deceive those who think they are the most watchful. It will be crafted to feed on their prejudices and presumptions. If there is anything they are most likely to fall for, that is precisely what the deception will take into account. It will be very far from that which they already have their guard up against (which is why the anti-christ is not Obama).

Scripture does say that the very elect will not be deceived, however.

It does not say "the elect who studied Revelation and Daniel extra hard will not be deceived."

It does not say "the elect who listen to Jack Van Impe will not be deceived."


This suggests to me that the elect--all the elect, even the prostitute in Las Vegas who got saved last night, even the villager in the Sudan who has never had a chance to read a whole bible, all the elect--have something in common that will be the one thing Satan cannot fool.

That would be the Holy Spirit and nothing but the Holy Spirit.
No, it's not going to be something that the anti-Christ has to force on anyone. When we see something so cool, so beneficial, so harmless, it will be only the Holy Spirit that says, "Don't touch that." Every other factor on earth will say, "Yes." Absolutely nothing else will say, "No" except the Holy Spirit, and He will say it to all of the elect everywhere.

If the anti-Christ were in the US, Christians in China would be telling us, "You have the anti-Christ over there," and we'd say, "Yeah, we're hip."

 

[Norah63]

The op sounds like what I heard taught in the church of God that I attended years ago. That is how they explained it, that it was just what your head thought or your hand did.
So if you take a mark or chip or whatever and don't want it to mean anything, what does that say??? I never got an answer from that preacher.

 

[RDKirk]

The op sounds like what I heard taught in the church of God that I attended years ago. That is how they explained it, that it was just what your head thought or your hand did.

Exactly. Thinking like the anti-christ, acting like the anti-christ.

How much does Jesus have to say: It's not what goes in, it's what comes out.

 

[Norah63]

How about that second line? The preacher never told me an answer.
I have asked other christians and they wonder also.......

 

[Omena]

Where can I buy one of those?

This is a serious question. You're talking about it as though it existed, so where do we get them? Wal-Mart?

Hi RD, it's called the VeriChip. Here's a link to the Wikipedia article: VeriChip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These chips have been used in pets for a few years now, and more recently it's been used as a medical device, so that a person's medical information could appear on a computer screen quickly if scanned by a paramedic. Depending on where you live you could probably talk to your doctor about it, so far I'm only aware of it being available for medical practice in the U.S. (though I'm not sure which states).

Aside from this, there is also a club in Barcelona, Spain called the Baja Beach club, which uses these chips to actually perform financial transactions. No cash is used at this club; when a person purchases a drink they simply scan their chip and money is moved from their account to that of the club. Apparently there are other clubs like this opening up in Europe. Baja Beach Club - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Norah63]

How about if it comes in through the health program?
Do you want that more than anything else, or is your health in a higher physicians hands.

 

[RDKirk]

Hi RD, it's called the VeriChip. Here's a link to the Wikipedia article: VeriChip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These chips have been used in pets for a few years now, and more recently it's been used as a medical device, so that a person's medical information could appear on a computer screen quickly if scanned by a paramedic. Depending on where you live you could probably talk to your doctor about it, so far I'm only aware of it being available for medical practice in the U.S. (though I'm not sure which states).

Aside from this, there is also a club in Barcelona, Spain called the Baja Beach club, which uses these chips to actually perform financial transactions. No cash is used at this club; when a person purchases a drink they simply scan their chip and money is moved from their account to that of the club. Apparently there are other clubs like this opening up in Europe. Baja Beach Club - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You read the article? The part where it said "Its manufacture and marketing were discontinued in 2010."

 

[Omena]

You read the article? The part where it said "Its manufacture and marketing were discontinued in 2010."

It's talking about Verichip, Verichip no longer exists as an organization and has instead merged with another company called PositiveID. Anyway, I just wanted to give you some information on these chips which DO exists, as you seemed to be under the assumption that they are not real. They've actually been around since before the year 2000. Here is an excerpt from another article specifically about RFID chips:

Since 2004 a number of U.S. hospitals have begun implanting patients with RFID tags and using RFID systems, usually for workflow and inventory management. The use of RFID to prevent mixups between sperm and ova in IVF clinics is also being considered.

The fact is also, that these chips are not being very well received by the general public. But I think it's only a matter of time before people get over their fears and conspiracy theories, and then they will be lining up for it (or perhaps at that time a more sophisticated form of implantable banking technology). Credit cards almost completely flopped when they were first introduced. It was because of a handful of people and their faith in the cards that they finally took off. Now, you actually NEED a credit for some things.

 

[RDKirk]

It's talking about Verichip, Verichip no longer exists as an organization and has instead merged with another company called PositiveID. Anyway, I just wanted to give you some information on these chips which DO exists, as you seemed to be under the assumption that they are not real..

I was questioning whether they are available. According to extant information, they are not available.

VeriMed
The VeriMed system is a method of electronic patient identification, and consists of an FDA-cleared, RFID human-implantable microchip that links to a web-based PHR. This allows doctors immediate access to information of even non-responsive patients, and can help hospital personnel treat a non-communicative patient in the event of an emergency. The microchip does not contain any medical records; rather, it contains a 16-digit number that, when scanned with a proprietary hand-held reader from a distance of a few inches, connects to an online database.
The database houses the patient's identification information and PHR, which can only be accessed by medical professionals with the proper login and password information.
Currently, PositiveID does not actively market the VeriMed system

And if you check their website, there is absolutely no information about the chip.

This does not bode for any kind of imminent nation-wide deployment.

 

[Norah63]

We know this kind of thing will not go away. It will just be modified into another form,
that may seem more acceptable. However if a christian is hid in Christ they will not take such a step how ever it is presented.