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Is the RFID Chip the Mark of the Beast?

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Oh for sure thats them...
I have mine on lay by at Kmart but do you think I could get a matching pair in pink? I had to settle for the purple sequinned chips and it doesn't match my new hairdo!








Sorry op I couldn't resist!
 
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I do believe the devil is more cunning than this. Could it be possible that he can have us worrying so much about not receiving a physical mark that the spiritual gets lost. The devil can operate with a physical mark as well for a distraction to what the real issue is. Having folks think that all they need to do to not accept the mark of the beast is refuse a chip or a tattoo when it is much deeper than that.

it is deeper .. but in the end it will come down to this . because God states it will
it is written that multitudes will be in the valley of decision - the only ones (bar a few odd exceptions) that refuse the mark will be the followers of the Lord Jesus and all their quietly differing perceptions of doctrines will matter nothing as they are collectively unified into the body of the bride of Christ and purified by trial and fire for his coming
 
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it is deeper .. but in the end it will come down to this . because God states it will
it is written that multitudes will be in the valley of decision - the only ones (bar a few odd exceptions) that refuse the mark will be the followers of the Lord Jesus and all their quietly differing perceptions of doctrines will matter nothing as they are collectively unified into the body of the bride of Christ and purified by trial and fire for his coming

So God is going to judge based on a physical mark over a spiritual mark? Doesn't the bible say that man looks at the outward appearance but God looks at the heart?
 
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I do believe the devil is more cunning than this. Could it be possible that he can have us worrying so much about not receiving a physical mark that the spiritual gets lost. The devil can operate with a physical mark as well for a distraction to what the real issue is. Having folks think that all they need to do to not accept the mark of the beast is refuse a chip or a tattoo when it is much deeper than that.

Youre right it is much deeper than just a tattoo or whatever, but the tattoo or whatever the mark will be is just an outward manifestation of an inner reality. Those who accept it know by doing so they follow the AC, so thy make the decision to take it. Much like how you made the decision to follow Jesus, the Holy Spirit came into your heart and changed you and you are different on the outside as fr as your actions and that stuff. The mark will just be a device the AC uses to identify his own. I would imagine there will be INTENSE pressure to accept it from family friends and the like.
 
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So God is going to judge based on a physical mark over a spiritual mark? Doesn't the bible say that man looks at the outward appearance but God looks at the heart?

as i already stated - the physical mark is an outward declaration of what is IN the heart

just as the confession of our faith is an outward declaration of our hearts .for with the heart we believe and with the mouth we confess .

the time of the mark of the beast ,i believe ,is the time of finality . the final generation to be harvested -the dividing of the wheat and tares once and for all .
as we go into that time we all will be called upon to make sure every single human on earth is told of the Gospel of the Lord Jesus
 
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I agree with what michael and bryan are saying. It's true prophecykid, that it is a deep, spiritual matter. I really don't want to downplay that fact, but like micheal touched on, our spiritual state (or better yet, our faith) manifests itself into this physical world. Jesus also said: "out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks". The heart is a spiritual thing, but the words are physical. What is inside our spirit, shows itself in our actions.

I believe that EVERYONE will be very aware of what they are doing when they either accept or refuse the mark. To refuse the mark could mean death, and I think that if someone is willing to die rather than worship the AC, God will certainly be a lot happier with them than with all the supposed Christians who took the mark.
 
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Something I find quite amazing about the mark of the beast is that it really forces people into one camp or the other. They are either against the Anti-Christ, or they are against God. There is no in-between because you either have the mark, or you don't. All lukewarmness is spewed from God's mouth, as it says in the Revelation.

This is another reason why I believe the mark will also be a physical thing. I think God engineered it this way, so that it's very clear to people which path they're choosing. At the moment, people can say one thing and do another. They can tell people they're Christian and live a contrary lifestyle, because there is no sure way to keep them accountable. If they have the mark, it's clear where their loyalty lies, and it's also the point at which they say to themselves and to God: "this is what I choose."
 
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Something I find quite amazing about the mark of the beast is that it really forces people into one camp or the other. They are either against the Anti-Christ, or they are against God. There is no in-between because you either have the mark, or you don't. All lukewarmness is spewed from God's mouth, as it says in the Revelation.

This is another reason why I believe the mark will also be a physical thing. I think God engineered it this way, so that it's very clear to people which path they're choosing. At the moment, people can say one thing and do another. They can tell people they're Christian and live a contrary lifestyle, because there is no sure way to keep them accountable. If they have the mark, it's clear where their loyalty lies, and it's also the point at which they say to themselves and to God: "this is what I choose."

Absolutely Omena. The Mark of the Beast is nothing new. It has been there all along spiritually. Jesus said "You cannot serve God and Mammon", and people have always tried to do exactly that (i.e. serve two masters) and they have tried to justify it by saying stuff like "God knows my heart" etc. But when the Mark of the Beast comes in, those phoney believers will be exposed as the mammon worshippers they really are.
You will notice that Jesus did not say "You cannot serve God and the Devil". And that is because it is through money and what it can buy (Mammon), that the Devil gets people to serve him.
The Mark of the Beast will signal the end to that double minded hypocrisy. That's why it's a physical mark/chip. To nail down the spiritual half hearts!
None too soon IMO!
 
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I thought the mark of the beast was how a person thinks and the works of the hand. From the Hebrew in the forehead would mean the mind. The hand referring to our works.

no and yes .. it is clear from scripture that it is an actual "mark" on the right hand or the forehead which will clearly extinguish those who submit to the beast and those that will not ..even though they may lose everything for not submitting .. BUT WILL GAIN ETERNAL THINGS as promised by God to all those who remain faithful to the end .
Many will lose their LIFE .. but that is ok do not be afraid -God will enable you to do what so many millions have already done in laying down their lives for him who lay down his life for us - the Lord Jesus said .. if you believe in Me , though you die ..Yet SHALL YOU LIVE .
no more fence sitting ..
 
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I'm sure you've heard about these chips, they go in your dominant hand or your forehead (as said in the bible).

What are your thoughts? I've talked to a few pastors who say it undoubtedly is, due to its tracking power and other vile things that it is capable of.

I read a powerful book entitled "Clay and Iron" by Dr. William Deagle back in 1999. He was shown a vision in which something like this was introduced but....the final version had a program in it to kill the recipient at 70 years of age.

Taking a chip with that capacity is almost like agreeing to commit suicide, years in advance!
 
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The Dr. William Deagle prophecies were delayed or cancelled and did not occur on schedule. I assume this is because there was a major turning to God around the year 2000 as fear of Y2K drove so many of us into a closer relationship with God.
 
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The Dr. William Deagle prophecies were delayed or cancelled and did not occur on schedule. I assume this is because there was a major turning to God around the year 2000 as fear of Y2K drove so many of us into a closer relationship with God.

personally do not recall any fear of y2k .. too many things had not yet come to pass .. however for others it may have differed .
a lot of spiritually unprepared folk should be more afraid of Buses.. as they send a lot of people to meet their maker in a most unexpected way .

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And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years. Take thine ease; eat, drink, and be merry.’
20 But God said unto him, ‘Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee. Then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?’
21 So is he that layeth up treasure for himself and is not rich toward God.
 
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I'm sure you've heard about these chips, they go in your dominant hand or your forehead (as said in the bible).

What are your thoughts? I've talked to a few pastors who say it undoubtedly is, due to its tracking power and other vile things that it is capable of.
As it is now, it's an information chip. It won't be "the mark of the beast" until there is such a world government in place, and a world ruler to preside over that government.

I myself am more worried about the computer network and mobile phone apps, not to mention public security cameras. I could say that since I remember a time before those things I'm still having trouble getting used to their intrusion. Or maybe I'm just alittle paranoid.
 
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A chip alone is not the mark of the beast simply because the beast has not arisen yet. RFID transmitters are common practice in dogs, packaging and and various ISR companies. I myself have always viewed the mark of the beast metaphorical after going through the logic of it.
Implanting a chip designates nothings about an individual. A mark is what it is and that is a mark, not a highly advanced chip implanted under the skin. The mark of the Beast for me has solely been about allegiance to the Devil. Nowhere in the Bible does it even mention a chip yet alone an implant of any kind. This is nothing but speculation.
 
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I think most people would agree that the implantable microchip is not guaranteed to be the mark of the beast. I've even heard of RFID ink which can be tattooed onto the skin, and I could easily see that as being a MORE likely option for the mark to be implemented, simply because it's so much more sophisticated.

But I don't think the real issue is about defining precisely which device will be used. The real issue I see is about the verse in the Revelation which states that no one will be able to buy or sell. So whether or not we believe the mark will be physical, the fact is we need to prepared to live outside of the monetary system.
 
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I think most people would agree that the implantable microchip is not guaranteed to be the mark of the beast. I've even heard of RFID ink which can be tattooed onto the skin, and I could easily see that as being a MORE likely option for the mark to be implemented, simply because it's so much more sophisticated.

But I don't think the real issue is about defining precisely which device will be used. The real issue I see is about the verse in the Revelation which states that no one will be able to buy or sell. So whether or not we believe the mark will be physical, the fact is we need to prepared to live outside of the monetary system.

Well said Omena!

I would love to get your opinion on this particular option that I put forward a few months back:


http://www.christianforums.com/t7701455/

North American churches should each have their own currency!
I am of the belief that each large church in North America should discuss the printing up of their own church currency unit such as has been done by a group of socially active citizens in Calgary, Canada with their CalgaryDollars.ca

Here is a good article on how important local currencies were during the Great Depression:


Whatcom Watch Online - Story Display

City in Austria Printed Local Currency

Worgl, like many other European towns and cities, was hit hard by the Great Depression. There was mass unemployment; four of the five local factories had closed, and the people were starving in the streets. Nobody had any money to buy anything. One of the features of an economic depression is that there is not enough money in circulation to ensure that people can meet their basic needs, and in the 1930s, the shortage of currency in many countries of the world became catastrophic.

The mayor of Worgl, together with local businessmen, decided to try to break this economic impasse by creating their own local currency. They printed and issued 60,000 Austrian shillings worth of local currency. These shillings could only be spent in Worgl, so they remained in the local community and were exchanged over and over again.

The positive impact was immediate and surprising to everyone. In only six weeks, unemployment disappeared, all the factories had reopened and everyone had food. For the inhabitants of Worgl, the economic depression was gone. This dramatic transformation became known as the “miracle of Worgl.” Surrounding towns, inspired by the success of Worgl, immediately started printing their own local currencies.

Sadly, the miracle did not last long. When the Austrian Central Bank heard about Worgl’s local currency, they initiated legal proceedings against the mayor and local businessmen. According to Austrian banking law, it was illegal for anyone except the Austrian Central Bank to issue money. The bank won the court case, and the mayor was ordered to shut down the local currency, which he did, under threat of imprisonment. The town then returned to the devastating economic depression of the 1930s, with all the human pain and suffering associated with this catastrophe. Factories closed, and once again, the people starved.

Alternative Currency in the U.S.

Irving Fisher, an American professor of economics at Yale University, visited Worgl before the local currency was suppressed and witnessed the ‘miracle’ firsthand. When he returned to the United States, Fisher spread the word by traveling and lecturing across the country, advocating the use of the Worgl ‘scrip’ everywhere. Inspired by his vision, hundreds of communities began issuing their own currency, and by 1934 there were over 1,000 local communities using ‘scrip’ throughout the U.S.

Every one of these communities experienced a tremendous rejuvenation of their local economies. They thrived while others suffered. Fisher then met with President Franklin D. Roosevelt, proposing the implementation of government-sanctioned local ‘scrip’ in every community in America. When FDR consulted with his top financial advisors and bankers, however, he was advised to shut all the ‘scrip’ systems down, which he did. Instead, he borrowed large amounts of money from bankers, at interest, and used it to pay for the Reconstruction Finance Corporation and the other work-creation projects, which collectively came to be known as the ‘New Deal.’ So ended the last widespread use of a local currency within the U.S.

Surely everybody who reads this article would agree that we have many advantages over the people who lived in Worgl, Austria during the Great Depression?!

If they can do it....why can't we?

Here in Canada the only problem that we have to watch out for is that we must pay the same rate of taxation if we earn Calgary Dollars as if we had earned Canadian dollars....so we have to keep our level of bartering at the point where our tax bill doesn't get to high.....but if we volunteered our time and our church earned a local currency from another church....it could be amazing where this could lead!
 
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Do any of you guys realize how important WORSHIP is in all of this. Those who take the mark of the beast also worship the beast and his image. Those who do not take the mark of the beast worship God.

Worship is what the devil really wants. That's what he wanted from Jesus in the wilderness and in the last days that is what he wants from us. Nobody is mentioning the importance of worship and what it means to worship the beast.

Is it possible that there would be those without any physical mark but are still worshiping the beast, thinking they are safe because they don't have a chip or a tattoo? There is not enough focus on the spiritual applications of these things and all we focus on is chips and tattoos.
 
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Do any of you guys realize how important WORSHIP is in all of this. Those who take the mark of the beast also worship the beast and his image. Those who do not take the mark of the beast worship God.

Worship is what the devil really wants. That's what he wanted from Jesus in the wilderness and in the last days that is what he wants from us. Nobody is mentioning the importance of worship and what it means to worship the beast.

Is it possible that there would be those without any physical mark but are still worshiping the beast, thinking they are safe because they don't have a chip or a tattoo? There is not enough focus on the spiritual applications of these things and all we focus on is chips and tattoos.

I know that as I watched a film about the Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski treatments for cancer I sure got the impression that the people in the FDA who tried so many ways to suppress his treatments sure could be compared to the obsequious obedience of the death camp prison guards of the Nazi era!!!!??
 
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