Is the fundamental gap between creationists and non-creationists...

[Bible Highlighter]

I think you're talking to a pantheist.

If so, that is scary.

Just so that others may know:
What is pantheism? | GotQuestions.org

 

[SelfSim]

Know, know means know. (As my mother used to say!)

She lived her life by way of glib truisms?

There are many things yet undiscovered by an objective methodology to demonstrate the existence of something. Just because something can't be proven by the scientific method doesn't mean it's not true or doesn't exist.

Does God exist? Prove it! Does Jesus exist? Prove it. Does the Holy Spirit exist? Prove it. Do you exist?

'Exist' means whatever we choose it to mean .. after all, its our human (english) word isn't it? In order for me to understand your questions, we have to agree on the process by which the word 'exist' acquires its meaning.
Its not like its meaning was kinda floating 'round in space somewhere then attached itself to some passing piece of dust then landed on Earth and found its way into some human ear or something, eh?

 

[dlamberth]

Do you believe that reading the Bible can lead a person to Jesus Christ?
Do you like reading the Bible?

I’ve read the Bible. I’ve even done Bible study before my deconversion. I Occasionally read it for reference now. But I’d rather know the Divine directly rather than reading about the Divine.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I’ve read the Bible. I’ve even done Bible study before my deconversion. I Occasionally read it for reference now. But I’d rather know the Divine directly rather than reading about the Divine.

Do you believe in Pantheism according to this article?

What is pantheism? | GotQuestions.org

 

[dlamberth]

I think you're talking to a pantheist.

That would be incorrect.
Try a hard Panenthiest.
I simply do not know how to separate God from life and this Creation.

 

[dlamberth]

Do you believe in Pantheism according to this article?

What is pantheism? | GotQuestions.org

I’m a Panenthist. Not a Panthest.

 

[AV1611VET]

That would be incorrect.
Try a hard Panenthiest.
I simply do not know how to separate God from life and this Creation.

Okay ... thanks for the correction.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I’m a Panenthist. Not a Panthest.

So does this article accurately describe what you believe?

What is panentheism? | GotQuestions.org

 

[Bible Highlighter]

That would be incorrect.
Try a hard Panenthiest.
I simply do not know how to separate God from life and this Creation.

Do you believe Christ is in every person and all they have to do is tap into the Christ? For example: Do you believe Hitler had Christ in him and all He had to do was tap into the Christ consciousness?

Side Note:

If so, I do not believe this is the truth.
The Lord only abides in those who obey Him (See: 1 John 2:3-4).

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Why is that terrifying. Does endless joy terrify you?

Endless anything is a terrifying proposition.

Of course, if you no longer feel anything or think for yourself, that's a different proposition. But that's not what is being offered.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Surely things are not as you think they are.

Based on what?

3 “And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new.” (Revelation 21:3-5).

Either you are no longer yourself, or you are still yourself with your emotions, thoughts and powers to contemplate eternity doing...... what? You haven't thought about it. Try thinking what eternity as yourself would be like. Consider that part of the joy of anything is knowing that it is a temporary state and will come to an end. An eternity of anything is a truly horrific thought.

 

[SelfSim]

So does this article accurately describe what you believe?

What is panentheism? | GotQuestions.org

My goodness! How confusing!

 

[SelfSim]

That would be incorrect.
Try a hard Panenthiest.
I simply do not know how to separate God from life and this Creation.

Let me suggest that might be because it takes a human mind to assign meanings to the concepts of: 'God', 'life' and 'this Creation'.
You are focused on, (or 'present to'/aware of'), being human (and the human mind)! Congratulations!

 

[disciple Clint]

... a disagreement over basic reality?

I find a lot of discussions with creationists seem to be boil down to disagreement over the nature of reality. And I'm not sure that there is a way to bridge such disagreement.

Well since there is no empirical evidence that life can be generated from non life or that nothing can become something reality would require acceptance of the existence of God.

 

[durangodawood]

Well since there is no empirical evidence that life can be generated from non life or that nothing can become something reality would require acceptance of the existence of God.

"Who knows?" Is also a legit response to those questions.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Well since there is no empirical evidence that life can be generated from non life or that nothing can become something reality would require acceptance of the existence of God.

Since there is no empirical evidence for God reality would require acceptance of life coming from non life.

Seriously, did you even think through your assertion?

 

[AV1611VET]

Since there is no empirical evidence for God ...

Happy Easter, by the way.

 

[disciple Clint]

Since there is no empirical evidence for God reality would require acceptance of life coming from non life.

Seriously, did you even think through your assertion?

Did you? Where is your evidence that there is no empirical evidence for God? There is historical data that the Gospel is accurate. There is also empirical evidence that confirms intelligent design and that the universe had a beginning. Since it had a beginning it therefore had a cause and that cause had to be uncaused at some point in regression.

 

[Speedwell]

I am talking about putting faith in the true Jesus of the Bible. Which Jesus are you talking about?

The real Jesus who lived on the Earth and died for us and was raised again from death--not just a character in a storybook whose existence we are forced to acknowledge because the storybook is supposed to have magical properties. I believe in Jesus, not the Bible.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Happy Easter, by the way.

Indeed. It's pretty cool that we name such an important celebration after Eostre.