Is it possible to keep the 10 commandments?

Yeshua HaDerekh · Jun 6, 2018

Jason0047 said:
I am a happily married man. I said she was my sister. A sister means you are family and you are not romantically interested.
So the joke is not nice and nor is it appreciated.
Jokes in my opinion is when they can be funny and yet not cause harm to another in any kind of way.

It was a joke. Did not know you were married. Sorry

Bible Highlighter · Jun 6, 2018

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
It was a joke. Did not know you were married. Sorry

Apology accepted.
May God's love shine upon you today.

Bible Highlighter · Jun 6, 2018

Yarddog said:
Yes, but their own thinking is not the Holy Spirit. At some point we will all have the answer for what we have done, our own thinking won't help much.

Trying to obey a list of laws.

The list doesn't scratch the surface of what we face in our Christian walk. Just as the Spirit led men to write certain things down, no one can understand without that Spirit's guidance.

If one would love by the Spirit, one would know without the list, just as Abraham did.

For Jesus says if you love me, keep my commandments (John 14:15).
Then embrace the Spirit of God and let him lead you to all truth.

God bless

But how does one know they are being led by the Spirit vs. their own way of thinking?
This is why you need to follow the commands in the New Testament Scriptures.
These Scriptures were written by men of God under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost.
They are your instructions on what to do.
Not desiring to obey them is kind of like rebelling against God - IMO.
Unless of course one does not believe the Bible is the divinely inspired Word of God or something. I sure hope that is not the case.

JoeP222w · Jun 6, 2018

zoidar said:
What you say is: There are 100 fishes dying on the beach. I pick up one and put it in the water. Then I go home and watch TV. I choose one fish right, but what about the others? Did I och didn't I choose them to die in the sun? Thinking the way you do, then I didn't choose those to die, since I only choose the one that I wanted to save. But really, I did choose death to the other fishes since I left them dying. Not doing anything is a choice.

Not an accurate analogy. A more accurate Biblical analogy of the [fish], if you want, is that the [fish] are already dead [Ephesian 2]. And they do not want to be saved because they are already dead. And the [fish] actually hate, though they are dead, hate the one who created them. It is also an appeal to emotions rather than Biblical truth.

Man is not morally neutral.

Man is not God.
God has the sovereign right to do with His creation as He so choose and no one can judge Him.
God does not save just one person. The number of people God save is countless.

Also by the expansion of your logic, every day we choose to not murder billions of people on the planet by not doing something towards those other human beings. Are you saying that is a choice? Is that rational?

Bible Highlighter · Jun 6, 2018

zoidar said:
Commandment 4 "What man is there among you who has one sheep, and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift it out? Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath" (Matthew 12:11-12). "And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath" (Matthew 24:20); there would be no reason to pray this if the Sabbath was not going to be in existence. "And He said to them, 'The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath'" (Mk 2:27); this verse tells all who will see which day is the Lord's Day. "And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue" (Mark 6:2). "And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read" (Luke 4:16). "Then He went down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and was teaching them on the Sabbaths" (Luke 4:31). "The Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath...Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil, to save life or to destroy?" (Luke 6:5,9). "But the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath...The Lord then answered him and said, 'Hypocrite...So ought not this woman...be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath?'" (Luke 13:14-16). "'Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?'...And they could not answer Him regarding these things" (Luke 14:3,6). "are you angry with Me because I made a man completely well on the Sabbath?" (John 7:23).

Jesus and the Ten Commandments

Here is a really great article that explains some of the points you brought up.

Is the Sabbath Required for Christians Today? | Grace Communion International

Yarddog · Jun 6, 2018

Jason0047 said:
But how does one know they are being led by the Spirit vs. their own way of thinking?

Have you ever had an experience given by God's Spirit? I know that you cannot believe in Jesus through your own thinking so you and many have had the Spirit of God moving within you. That Spirit which revealed Jesus to you can also reveal many other things if we take the time to meditate through prayer, with God.

This is why you need to follow the commands in the New Testament Scriptures.

Abraham didn't need any scriptures to know what to do. Why can't we? The Jews all had the scriptures but they, for the most part, couldn't understand them. They couldn't see Jesus in the scriptures they read.

These Scriptures were written by men of God under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost.

Yes and we must rely on that same Holy Spirit to guide us into their truth.

They are your instructions on what to do.
Not desiring to obey them is kind of like rebelling against God - IMO.

My point is not about not being obedient to what is written. It has been about the proper way to be obedient to them. 2 Cor. 3 tells us about the New Covenant which is written in our hearts and not on stone or paper. All of God's children know how to love, even though they may not have made that connection between their conscience and the Holy Spirit.

Unless of course one does not believe the Bible is the divinely inspired Word of God or something. I sure hope that is not the case.

As much as I have written about God's Holy Spirit and the need to surrender to it, I would hope that you knew the love that I have for scripture.

God Bless,

1stcenturylady · Jun 6, 2018

GodsGrace101 said:
I know that John was writing to Asia Minor. I'm not going to debate this since new findings may be available that I'm not aware of. Also, I know the false doctrine to be gnosticism.
But I do agree that he was writing about false teachers.

Yes, Gnosticism, but the Nicolaitans in particular.

GodsGrace101 said:
Although I do think sometimes true Christians can walk in darkness and still be saved but that's another thread. Is walking in darkness the same as sinning, for instance? Or is it a denial of God and His Spirit?

Well, that will be up to God, but I wouldn't count on it myself. Paul made it clear that those who willfully sin when you no longer have to, and as John says, walks in it, are a slave to sin and Satan.

You don't have to deny God or His Spirit, even the demons believe and tremble. And the Nicolaitans certainly believed, but twisted it, making the grace of God into licentiousness.

GodsGrace101 said:
Throw away the NASB?? LOL
I have many bibles, not just one. I even have 3 different versions in the Italian language, and the YLT which you quote below.

I think the problem is here:
1 John 1:9 tells us that IF we sin, we can be forgiven---so apparently we can sin.

Then 1 John 3:6 tells us that if we are in Christ we do not sin.

So which is it? Theologians agree that John is saying that we do not PRACTICE sin -- it's the only explanation since the bible cannot contradict itself. We know that it's not possible to NOT sin.

Well, I certainly wouldn't throw away an NASB - my mistake. It is generally a good translation. But it is unfortunate they translated this to merely "practice." Like many in the Church, you seem to believe a Christian can willfully sin and be saved, even though you had agreed 1 John 1:8 was not about a Christian. So, now I'm confused again as you go back and forth. Maybe this will help you see my understanding.

Since Adam sinned throwing all mankind into sin - "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" (same as 1 John 1:8) But if we repent unto Jesus (as in 1 John 1:9) all our sin is taken away and we are cleansed of all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9 is not a stand-alone. It is in context with verse 8, and thus verses 6 and 10 also. It should be read thus, and like you I know many versions. I like the Good News Translation:

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and there is no truth in us. 9 But if we confess our sins to God, he will keep his promise and do what is right: he will forgive us our sins and purify us from all our wrongdoing.

So if we are cleansed of all sin, are we still a sinner?

You are right, chapters 1 and chapter 3 do not contradict. But you lean towards "a Christian sins" (1 John 1:8), as do many so-called scholars, and I go towards "a Christian cannot sin" (1 John 3:9), a minority. There is no contradiction. Merely a disagreement as to if 1 John 1:8 describes a true Christian, and not someone who still walks in darkness before Christ and still needs to repent to be cleansed of all their past sins.

Maybe, the problem lies in, is John including unintentional sin in 1 John 3:9, which I see in 1 John 1:7 as automatically being cleansed even as we walk in the Spirit, or only willful presumptuous sin, which in the old covenant was not covered by a sacrifice. The belief of, 'isn't all sin willful,' doesn't take into account how God views sin. There are two categories. "Unto death" and "not unto death." "Willful" and "Unintentional." Willful sin is likened unto rebellion and therefore, witchcraft. This a Christian with God's Spirit in him cannot do.

GodsGrace101 said:
Just as an aside....my YLT does not quote the above.
This is mine:

YLT
1 John 3:9
"If we may confess our sins, stedfast, He is and righteous that He may forgive us the sins, and may cleanse us from every unrighteousness."

That is 1 John 1:9, not 1 John 3:9.

GodsGrace101 said:
I don't feel qualified to discuss this,,,as I said theologians believe it should say "practice sin".

As I said, this is unfortunate, for many young Christians count on it to be holy only part of the time, and when they are not, they can say, "well at least most of the time I do not "practice" this sin. No! They shouldn't be doing it at all when they've been given the power to overcome. God will not be mocked.

GodsGrace101 said:
The gnostics believed material was sin. So the BODY sinned, but not the spirit. John is saying that they could NOT say they did not have sin because the TRUTH (God's word) was not in them if they did. IOW, we sin not only in body but it also affecs our spirit.

Okay, I agreed up until you said IOW. Then I felt you saying the problem of truth was regarding sin of the flesh not affecting their spirit, when it would. As opposed to them willfully sinning in the flesh on purpose to gain more grace.

The Nicolaitans believed that Jesus did not come in the flesh, only Spirit, so only sins of our spirit were sin, but, say, fornication or adultery of the body was NOT SIN as it only affected our body, not our spirit. Their twisted theology said they could say they "do not sin." Paul encountered them too. "Should we sin so grace may abound?" They would actually give each other's wives to the other men to be raped by them. And this must be done daily so grace would abound!

As Jude said, that is turning the grace of God into licentiousness. Yikes!

1stcenturylady · Jun 6, 2018

zoidar said:
If you look at what Jesus says what we are to do, it's the same thing the law tells us to do, even Jesus takes it even further, that it's not only what we do but also what is going on in our heart.

I am the Lord thy God, thou shall not have any gods before me.

You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything.

You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.

Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.

Honor your father and your mother.

You shall not murder.

You shall not commit adultery.

You shall not steal.

You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.

You shall not covet your neighbor's house, wife, or property.

Commandment 1 "You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve" (Matthew 4:10). "You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and the great commandment" (Matthew 22:37). "And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength. This is the first commandment" (Mark 12:30). "You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve" (Luke 4:8).

Commandment 2 "You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve" (Matthew 4:10). "You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve" (Luke 4:8). "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth" (John 4:24). "But I have a few things against you, because you have there those who hold the doctrine of Balaam...to eat things sacrificed to idols" (Revelation 2:14). "Nevertheless, I have a few things against you, because you allow...My servants to...eat things sacrificed to idols" (Revelation 2:20).

Commandment 3 "pray: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name" (Matthew 6:9). "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men" (Matthew 12:31). "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts,...blasphemies. These are the things which defile a man" (Matthew 15:19-20). "What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts ... blasphemy, pride, foolishness" (Mark 7:20-22).

Commandment 4 "What man is there among you who has one sheep, and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift it out? Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath" (Matthew 12:11-12). "And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath" (Matthew 24:20); there would be no reason to pray this if the Sabbath was not going to be in existence. "And He said to them, 'The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath'" (Mk 2:27); this verse tells all who will see which day is the Lord's Day. "And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue" (Mark 6:2). "And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read" (Luke 4:16). "Then He went down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and was teaching them on the Sabbaths" (Luke 4:31). "The Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath...Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil, to save life or to destroy?" (Luke 6:5,9). "But the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath...The Lord then answered him and said, 'Hypocrite...So ought not this woman...be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath?'" (Luke 13:14-16). "'Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?'...And they could not answer Him regarding these things" (Luke 14:3,6). "are you angry with Me because I made a man completely well on the Sabbath?" (John 7:23).

Commandment 5 "For God commanded saying, 'Honor your father and your mother' and 'He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death'" (Matthew 15:4). "Honor your father and your mother" (Matthew 19:19). "Honor your father and your mother" (Mark 7:10). "Honor your father and your mother" (Mark 10:19). "You know the commandments:...Honor your father and your mother" (Luke 18:20).

Commandment 6 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not murder', and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment. But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment" (Matthew 5:21-22). "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders...These are the things which defile a man" (Matthew 15:19-20). "You shall not murder" (Matthew 19:18). "...murders...All these evil things come from within and defile a man" (Mark 7:21,23). "Do not murder" (Mark 10:19). "You know the commandments:...Do not murder" (Luke 18:20).

Commandment 7 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery'. But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:27-28). "But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery" (Matthew 5:32). "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts...adulteries, fornications...These are the things which defile a man" (Matthew 15:19-20). "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery, and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery" (Matthew 19:9). "You shall not commit adultery" (Matthew 19:18). "...adulteries, fornications...All these evil things come from within and defile a man" (Mark 7:21,23). "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her. And if a woman divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery" (Mark 10:11-12). "Do not commit adultery" (Mark 10:19). "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery" (Luke 16:18). "You know the commandments: Do not commit adultery" (Luke 18:20). "'Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery'...And Jesus said to her...'sin no more'" (John 8:4,11). "Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation" (Revelation 2:22).

Commandment 8 "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts...thefts...These are the things which defile a man" (Matthew 15:19-20). "You shall not steal" (Mat 19:18). "It is written, 'My house shall be called a house of prayer', but you have made it a den of thieves" (Matthew 21:13). "...thefts...All these evil things come from within and defile a man" (Mark 7:22-23). "Do not steal" (Mark 10:19). "You know the commandments:... Do not steal" (Luke 18:20).

Commandment 9 "Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord. But I say to you, do not swear at all" (Matthew 5:33-34). "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts...false witness...These are the things which defile a man" (Matthew 15:19-20). "You shall not bear false witness" (Matthew 19:18). "Do not bear false witness" (Mark 10:19). "You know the commandments:...Do not bear false witness" (Luke 18:20). "And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars" (Revelation 2:2).

Commandment 10 "Do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on" (Matthew 6:25). "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts...These are the things which defile a man" (Matthew 15:19-20). "...covetousness...All these evil things come from within and defile a man" (Mark 7:22-23).

Jesus and the Ten Commandments

The law could not make a person righteous. It was lacking. They are only moral bottom-line commandments.

So, you haven't murdered anyone today; but have you hated someone?

So, you haven't committed adultery; have you lusted?

The commandments covered outward sin, but left the iniquity in the heart. Jesus took away that iniquity deep inside where our desires lie, removing our old carnal nature and replacing it with His own.

GodsGrace101 · Jun 6, 2018

1stcenturylady said:
The law could not make a person righteous. It was lacking. They are only moral bottom-line commandments.

So, you haven't murdered anyone today; but have you hated someone?

So, you haven't committed adultery; have you lusted?

The commandments covered outward sin, but left the iniquity in the heart. Jesus took away that iniquity deep inside where our desires lie, removing our old carnal nature and replacing it with His own.

Late here and I'm tired. Will get back to you tomorrow morning.
Just want to say that I see where we differ from the above.
You say the carnal nature, or sin nature, has been removed and replaced with His own.
I believe we still have the sin nature but it is kept under submission.
Tomorrow...

ladodgers6 · Jun 6, 2018

GodsGrace101 said:
To whom are you speaking??

To the person who started this conversation.

zoidar · Jun 6, 2018

ladodgers6 said:
Before I respond to your question. I need clarification. Is this keeping before or after conversion??

I didn't know you asked me. Why don't you respond to both? I was thinking after.

1stcenturylady · Jun 6, 2018

GodsGrace101 said:
Late here and I'm tired. Will get back to you tomorrow morning.
Just want to say that I see where we differ from the above.
You say the carnal nature, or sin nature, has been removed and replaced with His own.
I believe we still have the sin nature but it is kept under submission.
Tomorrow...

Here is one for you to ponder for tomorrow: Romans 8:1-9 This is not a contrast between a weak Christian and a strong Christian. It is about a non-believer still in sin, and a Christian who does not sin. Pleasant dreams. May His Spirit speak to you in the night. (That's what He does to me...)

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

"Condemning sin in the flesh," is why I say the power of Christ's Spirit removes our carnal nature that cannot please God because of its evil desires. Otherwise, what is the difference in actions between a Jewish expert of the law with a carnal nature, and a Christian with a carnal nature? This is why Jesus came - to put an end to sin in us, not to just cover our sin while we keep committing them. (Daniel 9:24; 1 John 3:5). I remember being a very carnal Christian, not even knowing I wasn't saved. That is what scares me for today's Church at large. It was 30 years before I actually repented from the heart, recognized my willpower wasn't cutting it, and Jesus baptizing me with His Holy Spirit. Wow! What a difference overnight! All desire to sin willfully vanished immediately. Poof!

If you haven't read my testimony, I'd be happy to send it to you in private conversation.

ladodgers6 · Jun 6, 2018

zoidar said:
I didn't know you asked me. Why don't you respond to both? I was thinking after.

Thank you for your response. All I can do here, is share what I believe and why I believe. And out of curiosity. Why are you thinking after?

sdowney717 · Jun 6, 2018

zoidar said:
Wasn't it so that the pharisees and the scribes added all kinds of stuff to the law, so it was impossible to keep? It became a burden to people. Jesus healing on the Sabbath, was it really work? Or was it considered work by the pharisees? I wonder? At least they had totally misunderstood the Sabbath.

Sure they added their traditions. But no one human can keep the law. To keep means without failure the whole law. In acts Steven tells the Jews the law was given by angels and none of them kept the law, which infuriated them. See their rage showed they were just flesh and not filled with God's Spirit

zoidar · Jun 6, 2018

JoeP222w said:
Not an accurate analogy. A more accurate Biblical analogy of the [fish], if you want, is that the [fish] are already dead [Ephesian 2]. And they do not want to be saved because they are already dead. And the [fish] actually hate, though they are dead, hate the one who created them. It is also an appeal to emotions rather than Biblical truth.

Man is not morally neutral.

Man is not God.
God has the sovereign right to do with His creation as He so choose and no one can judge Him.
God does not save just one person. The number of people God save is countless.

Also by the expansion of your logic, every day we choose to not murder billions of people on the planet by not doing something towards those other human beings. Are you saying that is a choice? Is that rational?

I think people who are physically living can't be compared to something that is physically dead. Of course I understand that you mean people are spiritually dead. But no dead fish can suffer eternally.

If you have control of the button to launch a nuke that will kill billions of people, both not pushing the button or pushing the button is a choice.

Of course God can do as He wish, but the bible says that God is LOVE, that He is MERCYFUL and GOOD. I don't think the character of God fits the Calvinist view.

zoidar · Jun 6, 2018

1stcenturylady said:
The commandments covered outward sin, but left the iniquity in the heart. Jesus took away that iniquity deep inside where our desires lie, removing our old carnal nature and replacing it with His own.

I think I agree, if we mean the same thing. When our old carnal nature is abated (I hope I use the right word) by the Holy Spirit, we are enabled keep his commandments. It's not that our old nature is covered over and we are counted as righteous even we sin and live like everyone else. It's that our nature is changed and we now can live righteous lives.

sdowney717 · Jun 6, 2018

zoidar said:
I think people who are physically living can't be compared to something that is physically dead. Of course I understand that you mean people are spiritually dead. But no dead fish can suffer eternally.

If you have control of the button to launch a nuke that will kill billions of people, both not pushing the button or pushing the button is a choice.

Of course God can do as He wish, but the bible says that God is LOVE, that He is MERCYFUL and GOOD. I don't think the character of God fits the Calvinist view.

Getting back to the law of commandments and ordinances,
Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes
The law could not make you righteous, but faith can and does make someone righteous in God's eyes.
Even under the OC, it was about faith, and not works of the law which gave life to the people, which Paul referenced for the Old Testament here.

Habakkuk 2:4
“Behold the proud, His soul is not upright in him; But the just shall live by his faith.

Romans 1:16-17 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Just Live by Faith
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel [a]of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”

Romans 10:3-7 New King James Version (NKJV)
3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

5 For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, “The man who does those things shall live by them.” 6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down from above) 7 or, “ ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).

zoidar · Jun 6, 2018

ladodgers6 said:
Thank you for your response. All I can do here, is share what I believe and why I believe. And out of curiosity. Why are you thinking after?

Because I believe that when we are born again thought the Holy Spirit we are enabled to keep the law. Is it possible to love Jesus more than even your own family without being born again? Hardly! How can you break the power of sin without the Holy Spirit and even more so serving Jesus without knowing him?

zoidar · Jun 6, 2018

sdowney717 said:
Getting back to the law of commandments and ordinances,
Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes
The law could not make you righteous, but faith can and does make someone righteous in God's eyes.
Even under the OC, it was about faith, and not works of the law which gave life to the people, which Paul referenced for the Old Testament here.

Habakkuk 2:4
“Behold the proud, His soul is not upright in him; But the just shall live by his faith.

Romans 1:16-17 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Just Live by Faith
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel [a]of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”

Romans 10:3-7 New King James Version (NKJV)
3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

5 For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, “The man who does those things shall live by them.” 6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down from above) 7 or, “ ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).

Thanks for sharing!

In Romans 10, I think the law means the whole Mosaic Law. Paul is talking about how to be saved, and not what applies to a person that is saved. We can read about that in other places (like Romans 8 and of course James 2). What does it mean to live by faith? A saved person is not to keep the Mosaic Law, but is to live a righteous life and not live in sin. If a person doesn't keep the commandments, doesn't that mean he/she livs in sin?

Romans 8
3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

13 for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.

bugkiller · Jun 6, 2018

JoeP222w said:
No, not at all. If you could, you would not need the Savior Jesus Christ, and this means that Jesus died a horrible bloody death for nothing.

The Ten Commandments were designed by God to show us our need for the Savior.

The summary of the law is to love God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and to love your neighbor as yourself. The only way a person is righteous before God is to be in Christ Jesus and to be covered by His perfect righteousness, to be imputed with an alien righteousness. No one is justified before God by keeping the law (in and of themselves) as Paul wrote in the book of Romans.

I concur. Rom 11:32.

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