Is it possible to keep the 10 commandments?

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Is there a difference between keeping the law and keeping the law perfectly? I can't believe anyone never sins. So keeping the law perfectly will definitely be a problem. There must be a difference in keeping the law and sometimes fail to do so, than to say we don't have to keep it.
I agree.
We CANNOT say we do not have to keep the law (commandments) because that would mean God has changed His mind about obedience and God cannot change His mind!

Keeping the law perfectly is indeed a different command and one God never imposed on us. Because God will never expect from us what we cannot do.

If we tell a child "mind your manners", he will do his best to do so.

How could we ever tell a child "you must mind your manners perfectly"...it's not possible.

Why? Because man is not perfect.
 
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Is it possible or not to keep the 10 commandments?

If it's not possible to keep the commandments, why do Jesus and also Paul say we are to keep the commandments?

John 14:15
"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments."

John 14:21
He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.”

John 15:10
If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

Matthew 5:19
Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 19:17
And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.

1 Timothy 6
13 I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who testified the good confession before Pontius Pilate, 14 that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Since there is no one good, as you yourself quoted from Mt 19:17, there is no one who perfectly obeys his commandments. Consequently those who rely on obey his commandments to get eternal life are under a curse, as it is written, "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Gal 3:10

For that reason God abandoned the law as a means to justification and opened up a new way to be justified, namely by faith apart from works.

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. Rom 3:20-24
 
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annul
əˈnʌl/

verb
  1. declare invalid (an official agreement, decision, or result).
    "the elections were annulled by the general amid renewed protests"
    sinonimi: declare invalid, declare null and void, nullify, invalidate, void; Altro
    • declare (a marriage) to have had no legal existence.
      "her first marriage was finally annulled by His Holiness"
Regarding the bible, I always go with the marriage explanation.
When a marriage is annulled, it means it never really existed.


No covenant ever abolished the previous one.
Every new covenant was made to add something to the previous one or to make it better in some way.

The New Covenant does not abolish any other covenant, including the Mosaic. It just makes it better. Jesus is a better sacrifice, a better priest, a better prophet, a better king.

Just as the Mosaic Covenant required blood, so did the New Covenant require blood. Just as the Mosaic Covenant required obedience to God so we could be His people, the New Covenant requires obedience to God so we could be His people.

What was changed and made better was that the law was now written in our hearts and not on stone. It was now possible to follow the commandments because of love and not because of rules.
Jeremiah 31:33

Hebrews 8:4-10
4Now if He were on earth, He would not be a priest at all, since there are those who offer the gifts according to the Law; 5who serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things, just as Moses was warned by Godwhen he was about to erect the tabernacle; for, “SEE,” He says, “THAT YOU MAKEall things ACCORDING TO THE PATTERN WHICH WAS SHOWN YOU ON THE MOUNTAIN.” 6But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.



A New Covenant

7For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second.

8For finding fault with them, He says,
“BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD,
WHEN I WILL EFFECT A NEW COVENANT
WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH;

9NOT LIKE THE COVENANT WHICH I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS
ON THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND
TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT;
FOR THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT,
AND I DID NOT CARE FOR THEM, SAYS THE LORD.

10“FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL
AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD:
I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS,
AND I WILL WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS.
AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD,
AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.

Indeed, the old covenant was not faultless. It had the fault of not having the property to allow men to follow the law as God instructed. The New Covenant does. It had a fault, and God made a BETTER Covenant.
But the Mosaic was not abolished...

your reasoning is interesting, even though wrong!

"When a marriage is annulled, it means it never really existed"

if two people get married, even though they get divorced, and have their marriage "annulled", this does not mean that they were "never married", because they WERE. But, that their marriage is no longer "valid". hence those who remarry, never say that their second or third marriage is their "first", but either "second" or "third", etc.

God said that His First Covenant was not "without fault", and it was "done away with". We read this in Hebrews 8:13, "In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete". "παλαιόω", which means, "to declare a thing to be old and so about to be abrogated" (Thayer, lexicon); "abrogate, cancel" (Liddell and Scott, lexicon). So, the Bible says that the Old Covenant was "cancelled"; and the New which is Jesus Christ, took its place. We are NOT under the Old Covenant, but the New. the "Moral Law" of the Old Covenant, still stands; the "Ceremonial Law", which included the sacrifices, feasts, etc, is no longer "in force".
 
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Is it possible or not to keep the 10 commandments?

If it's not possible to keep the commandments, why do Jesus and also Paul say we are to keep the commandments?

John 14:15
"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments."

John 14:21
He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.”

John 15:10
If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

Matthew 5:19
Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 19:17
And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.

1 Timothy 6
13 I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who testified the good confession before Pontius Pilate, 14 that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,

It is possible to keep all of God's Law.


The Word of God/Redeemer proved that.
 
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Unless you are willing to place God, first and foremost, and your neighbor above yourself, your wife, and even your family. No, it is not possible.

Jesus said those words:

"Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." -Mt. 22:37-40 (KJV)

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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your reasoning is interesting, even though wrong!

"When a marriage is annulled, it means it never really existed"

if two people get married, even though they get divorced, and have their marriage "annulled", this does not mean that they were "never married", because they WERE. But, that their marriage is no longer "valid". hence those who remarry, never say that their second or third marriage is their "first", but either "second" or "third", etc.

God said that His First Covenant was not "without fault", and it was "done away with". We read this in Hebrews 8:13, "In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete". "παλαιόω", which means, "to declare a thing to be old and so about to be abrogated" (Thayer, lexicon); "abrogate, cancel" (Liddell and Scott, lexicon). So, the Bible says that the Old Covenant was "cancelled"; and the New which is Jesus Christ, took its place. We are NOT under the Old Covenant, but the New. the "Moral Law" of the Old Covenant, still stands; the "Ceremonial Law", which included the sacrifices, feasts, etc, is no longer "in force".
Regarding marriage:
If two persons get married and the husband tells his wife he wants to have children...

Then a year later he tells her he DOES NOT want to have children,,,this marriage can be "annulled". Why?

Because the husband got married under false pretenses so there was never any marriage to begin with.

Marriage cannot just be annulled. It's FOREVER.
IF, it's a true marriage.
If a marriage is annulled, it means it was never a true marriage.
 
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But what about?

1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.
What did the Jerusalem council of the Lord's apostles tell the new gentile believers?
Actually in the NC, God's command is for men everywhere to repent and believe in Jesus Christ.

Acts 15 is not just about circumcision!
6 Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter. 7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, [a]acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.”

12 Then all the multitude kept silent and listened to Barnabas and Paul declaring how many miracles and wonders God had worked through them among the Gentiles. 13 And after they had [c]become silent, James answered, saying, “Men and brethren, listen to me: 14 Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. 15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written:

16 ‘After this I will return
And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down;
I will rebuild its ruins,
And I will set it up;
17 So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name,
Says the [d]Lord who does all these things.’

18 [e]“Known to God from eternity are all His works. 19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from [f]sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

The Jerusalem Decree
22 Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas,[g] and Silas, leading men among the brethren.

23 They wrote this letter by them:

The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,

To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, [h]saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual[j] immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
 
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Regarding marriage:
If two persons get married and the husband tells his wife he wants to have children...

Then a year later he tells her he DOES NOT want to have children,,,this marriage can be "annulled". Why?

Because the husband got married under false pretenses so there was never any marriage to begin with.

Marriage cannot just be annulled. It's FOREVER.
IF, it's a true marriage.
If a marriage is annulled, it means it was never a true marriage.

your reasoning is still faulty. try again...
 
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your reasoning is interesting, even though wrong!

"When a marriage is annulled, it means it never really existed"

if two people get married, even though they get divorced, and have their marriage "annulled", this does not mean that they were "never married", because they WERE. But, that their marriage is no longer "valid". hence those who remarry, never say that their second or third marriage is their "first", but either "second" or "third", etc.

God said that His First Covenant was not "without fault", and it was "done away with". We read this in Hebrews 8:13, "In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete". "παλαιόω", which means, "to declare a thing to be old and so about to be abrogated" (Thayer, lexicon); "abrogate, cancel" (Liddell and Scott, lexicon). So, the Bible says that the Old Covenant was "cancelled"; and the New which is Jesus Christ, took its place. We are NOT under the Old Covenant, but the New. the "Moral Law" of the Old Covenant, still stands; the "Ceremonial Law", which included the sacrifices, feasts, etc, is no longer "in force".
Forgot about the Greek lesson.
Did you study the Covenants?
You learned that every covenant abolishes the previous one?
 
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My father was verbally abusive and violent. He also hated God. Is it sinful that I do not honour him?
You still have to honor him in the sense that you do not return to him what he did to you.

And when he becomes old and disabled you're still required to care for him. This happened to me with my father.

Love God
Love Your Neighbor as Yourself

Your father is certainly also your neighbor.
 
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Unless you are willing to place God, first and foremost, and your neighbor above yourself, your wife, and even your family. No, it is not possible.

Jesus said those words:

"Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." -Mt. 22:37-40 (KJV)

God Bless

Till all are one.
Hi Deacon Dean,
I know monks who are under the categories you have listed.

They believe they sin.
 
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Regarding marriage:
If two persons get married and the husband tells his wife he wants to have children...

Then a year later he tells her he DOES NOT want to have children,,,this marriage can be "annulled". Why?

Because the husband got married under false pretenses so there was never any marriage to begin with.

Marriage cannot just be annulled. It's FOREVER.
IF, it's a true marriage.
If a marriage is annulled, it means it was never a true marriage.

Is this a valid way to "anull" a marriage? I never heard about it before.
 
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Is it possible or not to keep the 10 commandments?

No, not at all. If you could, you would not need the Savior Jesus Christ, and this means that Jesus died a horrible bloody death for nothing.

The Ten Commandments were designed by God to show us our need for the Savior.

If it's not possible to keep the commandments, why do Jesus and also Paul say we are to keep the commandments?

The summary of the law is to love God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and to love your neighbor as yourself. The only way a person is righteous before God is to be in Christ Jesus and to be covered by His perfect righteousness, to be imputed with an alien righteousness. No one is justified before God by keeping the law (in and of themselves) as Paul wrote in the book of Romans.
 
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Is this a valid way to "anull" a marriage? I never heard about it before.
Yes. Any marriage made under false pretenses is not a valid marriage but a marriage based on a lie.

In any church that practices annulment, this is the rule.
 
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Please study what marriage is.
I can't help you here since you don't trust me...

We a couple come before the Lord and get married, regardless of whether they decided to have a 100 babies, and then one says no, this does NOT in any way mean, even if they get divorced and have their marriage "annulled", that they were NEVER married! They WERE, is FACT can never be denied to have actually happened. Maybe the whole thing on marriage in Italy is different to the rest of the world?
 
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