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Featured Is it correct to say, "One aspect of the Bible is that it is like a rule book"?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Bible Highlighter, Dec 19, 2018.

  1. Gr8Grace

    Gr8Grace Well-Known Member

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    Yes you will. You have already stated that the translators got "believe" wrong.

    Well, I have how the NT writers used the common Greek and how some words are still Aramaic. And have the Greek and Aramaic dictionaries that were put together by scholars. So I look forward to your future bastardizing of the word 'believe' so I can put it on the table to show you that you are wrong.

    We will see about that.

    Mirror.
     
  2. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Yep. That's a command, too (See 1 John 3:23). In fact, Acts of the Apostles 16:31 is telling you what to do. It is a command. So you cannot get around God's commands in the Bible.
     
  3. Gr8Grace

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    You should do it right now. Have a relaxed, divine Christmas rather than a ritual, Must do(Like your going to define 'believe') Christmas.
     
  4. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    By keeping his commands (See John 14:15, John 15:10).
     
  5. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    I disagree. I have yet to find any Eternal Security church follow or promote the commands of Jesus Christ. It's all grace and not much else. At least, that is my experience both online and in person anyways.
     
  6. Gr8Grace

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    But it's interesting to watch you get around His promises.....Like NEVER perish. Shall not come into judgement.Nothing can separate us....... Sealed. Children. Born-again. New creations.

    It's all rules to you. You think that the rules give you eternal life. But it is HIM and what the word testifies of HIM.
     
  7. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    So what would Acts of the Apostles 5:32 mean to you?
    Is that verse in error?
     
  8. Gr8Grace

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    Because your surrounding yourself with religion.....and believe what religion tells you about His Grace and what Grace teachers teach.
     
  9. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    No. I never said it was only rules to me. Yes, rules is a very important part of God's Word, but that is not the only aspect of the Bible.

    See my Post #24.
     
  10. Gr8Grace

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    And yet again.......You skirt His promises. Never perish. Sealed for the day of redemption. will not be condemned.

    Hard to imagine that you actually follow His rules, if His promises to believers are none existent to you.
     
  11. Maria Billingsley

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    What are God's commandments for the New Covenant Church?
     
  12. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    For about 8 years now: I have talked with Eternal Security proponents both online and in person and I know how they talk, think, etc. Needless to say I do not agree with their beliefs, practices, morality, or interpretations on Scripture. I know all the verses they love to use and I have explained them many times. I have also posted verses that refutes their belief many times over with no answers and other times with answers that are forced beyond what the context even says. Eternal Security cannot also be made into a real world parable to support morality, either. There is one simple question that can expose it's facade that it teaches morality; The question is: Was King David saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder? Some in your camp say David was not saved because OT saints were not saved. Others will say that he was saved while he committed his sins and he never lost his salvation. But this means that if King David can murder and commit adultery, then that means we are teaching that believers today can do these same things and still be saved, right? If so, how is that teaching holiness?
     
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  13. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    In my experience: I have come to discover that Eternal Security extends the promises of God's grace beyond the threshold of what is good. But God's grace is not a license for immorality, but God's grace is a means to overcome grievous sin. Maybe your version of OSAS is different. I don't know. But I am just telling you what I believe based on my dealing with other Eternal Security proponents before.
     
  14. watchman 2

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    It means nothing if we don't have the Spirit of Christ first .
     
  15. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Here are a few lists by studies done by other believers.


    Please take note that this does not mean I endorse their other views or even their inclusion of such commands.
     
  16. Gr8Grace

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    Come on Jason, I and most Grace believers look just like you. We know how to live the spiritual life, and morality and holiness is a natural byproduct of living the Spiritual life.........If we had to 'compare' overt holiness, most grace believers would surpass your human good standards with flying colors.

    It isn't about how holy we are overtly. It is about the justice and righteousness of GOD. If a person is declared righteous(Born-again/saved/has eternal life) by God.........He ain't changing His mind by a creatures future behavior. Romans 8

    We are sealed for the day of redemption. A new creation. Born-again. His children. and PROMISED BY HIM......that we will NEVER perish.
     
  17. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    A Christian still have to obey or take some form of action towards God first in order to get the Spirit.

    "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts of the Apostles 2:38).

    Repent is a commandment.

    "Therefore, having overlooked the times of ignorance, God now commands all people everywhere to repent," (Acts of the Apostles 17:30).

    Jesus tells people to repent or they will perish (See: Luke 13:3).

    Many today do not know what repentance means.

    Here is...

    A Biblical Case For True Repentance:

    At the heart, I believe the Bible teaches that repentance means, "Asking God for forgiveness" (Which of course naturally then leads to the "fruits of repentance", i.e. obedience to the Lord):

    Important Note: While I may believe "Repentance" does involve to a certain degree a "change of mind" (like a person changing their mind about their old life of sin), I do not think "Repentance" exclusively means a “change of mind.”

    Anyways, here are my ten points using Scripture showing that "repentance" means "asking God for forgiveness of sin."

    #1. Acts 2:38,
    The New Living Translation says in Acts 2:38 to "repent of your sins."
    Douay Reheims says in Acts 2:38 to "Do penance."
    New Life Version says in Acts 2:38 to "Be sorry for your sins"

    #2. Luke 17:3 says, "Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him." This doesn't make any sense if "repent" means believe in Jesus (as some teach) or to have a change of mind about sin (as others teach) or to exclusively forsake sin. Yes, we are to forsake sin as a part of repentance but that comes later after repentance (Which is to ask God for forgiveness of our sin). For how can we reconcile with a brother if we do not say we are sorry vs. just going on about life as if we did nothing wrong?

    #3. Jesus said in Matthew 12:41 that the Ninevites will rise up in Judgment against this generation because they repented at the preaching of Jonah. If you were to turn to Jonah chapter 3, you would be able to see in Jonah 3:6-10 that the King of the Ninevites had told his people to:

    (a) Cry out to God (i.e. Repentance) (See Jonah 3:8).
    (b) Turn from their sins or evil ways (i.e. The Natural Fruits of Repentance).​

    #4. Matthew 3:6 (which then lines up with Matthew 3:8). Also, in Mark 1:4-5, it says John preached the "baptism of repentance" for the remission of sins (verse 4), and it then defines this "baptism of repentance" by saying they confessed their sins when they were baptized (verse 5).

    #5. We see in Acts of the Apostles 8:22 a clear example of Peter telling Simon to "repent" of his wickedness in trying to pay for the Holy Spirit. Peter is telling Simon to make a prayer towards God. For Peter says that he should pray that God might forgive him. In other words, Peter is telling Simon to repent of a one time event of wickedness by way of prayer to GOD. This only makes sense if "repent" means to "ask for forgiveness."

    #6. Ezekiel 14:6 says,
    "Repent, and turn yourselves from your idols;" Repent makes the most sense here if a person is asking God for forgiveness by way of prayer instead of a person just believing in God. Naturally a person believes in God as their Savior if they are planning on forsaking their idols.

    #7. We see repentance is the topic of discussion in Luke 15 (Luke 15:6) (Luke 15:10); This is then followed up by the "Parable of the Prodigal Son" with the son desiring to be reconciled with his father. We learn the WAY the Prodigal Son desired to be reconciled with his father when he said,

    "I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee, And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants." (Luke 15:18-19).​

    In other words, the Prodigal Son was seeking forgiveness. This ties into the point of repentance in Luke 15:6 and Luke 15:10.

    #8. Luke 10:13 says,
    "Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon, which have been done in you, they had a great while ago repented, sitting in sackcloth and ashes." This rules out the theory that repentance is exclusively forsaking sin. Granted, forsaking sin always follow true repentance (Asking God for forgiveness of one's sins) but forsaking sin is not repentance. The word "repented" here is describing a one time event because they "repented", sitting in sackcloth and ashes. In Jonah 3:6 we learn that the King of Nineveh sat in sackcloth and ashes. In Jonah 3:8, the King of Nineveh tells people to put on sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God (i.e. repentance): and then turn from their evil way (i.e. the fruits of repentance).

    #9. John the Baptist says we are to bring forth fruits worthy of repentance (Luke 3:8). Fruits are deeds (or obedience to God). How can repentance be the same thing as the fruit? Is the fruit the same thing as the tree?

    #10. Jeremiah 8:6 says, "I hearkened and heard, but they spake not aright: no man repented him of his wickedness, saying, What have I done? every one turned to his course, as the horse rusheth into the battle." Here we see the word "repented of wickedness" tied with the words, "What have I done?" This is an acknowledgement of one's sin to God as a part of asking His forgiveness.


    Notable Additional Verses that Deal with Repentance
    (But They Do Not Use The Word "Repent" or "Repentance"):

    "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Romans 10:13).

    13 "And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
    14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. (Luke 18:13-14).

    Proverbs 28:13 says whosoever confesses and forsakes sin shall have mercy.
     
  18. Bible Highlighter

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    But what if one sins under this belief?
    What if a believer backslides in this belief and goes prodigal for a while?

    They are still sealed and saved in their sins?
    If so, then why bother to live holy at all if one can sin and still be saved for short periods of time?

    If one can sin and still be saved for short periods of time, then one can sin and still be saved for longer periods of time or their whole life.
     
  19. Gr8Grace

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    Have you ever been disciplined by the Lord for doing these things?

    If you have not..............Acts 16:31.
     
  20. Gr8Grace

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    Very simple.

    Do not quench the Spirit(IMO what most believers do, they go off into self-righteousness)
    Do not grieve the Spirit.
    Be filled with the Spirit.
    Walk by means of the Spirit.

    Most put the cart before the horse......live good,holy lives. But it will never produce the Christian way of life.

    Living the Christian way of life.......will always produce a good and holy life.
     
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