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Featured Is it by works or by faith?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Gabe7587, May 5, 2017.

  1. JESUS=G.O.A.T

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    I followed along your reasoning 100% until the last part.

    What do you mean repentance after death? I'm not trying to debate you on the subject I just want to understand your view.
     
  2. Alithis

    Alithis Disciple of Jesus .

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    1. Is OSAS (Once Saved, Always Saved) Biblical?..
    No.. Ultimatly we are saved when Jesus returns. Until then we have this hope.after he returns we will then Be saved eternally..but if he comes and we are not ready and not found doing his will we will not enter into the joy of the lord.
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    2. If a Christian refuses to spread the Gospel, are they going to hell.......

    Yes ..refusing to preach the gospel (and live it) is denying christ before men.
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    3. Is it truly by faith, and not works that we are saved?.....
    Faith IS an ACTION. it is what we Do when we truly believe.if we dinot obey (obedience is also an action)then we have No faith and are not saved simply because we say so...thats lip service.god cant be fooled.

    By grace you afe saved THROUGH FAITH...by grace through the action you then Do because you truly believe.
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    I pose these questions due to a video I saw online. Supposedly a Korean Artist had a tour of hell with Jesus, and during the tour, she said that Christians who don't share the Gospel, or don't find sharing the Gospel as important will go to hell. Is this true? .....

    Dont know if the video is a true testimony. But the scripture is very clear on the matter.notsharing the Gospel is a hatefilled thing to do.
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    I'msort've scared of hell right now, since I struggle with evangelism. I know I should share the Gospel, but I just have such a hard time with it.

    To fear God is the beginning of wisdom.
    Your on to a good start.
    But fear of how to shate the gospel comes often from not knowing how.

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  3. Alithis

    Alithis Disciple of Jesus .

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    1. Is OSAS (Once Saved, Always Saved) Biblical?..
    No.. Ultimatly we are saved when Jesus returns. Until then we have this hope.after he returns we will then Be saved eternally..but if he comes and we are not ready and not found doing his will we will not enter into the joy of the lord.
    _______________

    2. If a Christian refuses to spread the Gospel, are they going to hell.......

    Yes ..refusing to preach the gospel (and live it) is denying christ before men.
    _______________
    3. Is it truly by faith, and not works that we are saved?.....
    Faith IS an ACTION. it is what we Do when we truly believe.if we do not obey (obedience is also an action)then we have No faith
    ..and are not saved simply because we say so...thats lip service.god cant be fooled.

    By grace you are saved THROUGH FAITH...by grace through the action you then Do because you truly believe.
    ____________
    I pose these questions due to a video I saw online. Supposedly a Korean Artist had a tour of hell with Jesus, and during the tour, she said that Christians who don't share the Gospel, or don't find sharing the Gospel as important will go to hell. Is this true? .....

    Dont know if the video is a true testimony. But the scripture is very clear on the matter.not sharing the Gospel is a hatefilled thing to do.
    _________“

    I'msort've scared of hell right now, since I struggle with evangelism. I know I should share the Gospel, but I just have such a hard time with it.

    To fear God is the beginning of wisdom.
    Your on to a good start.
    But fear of how to share the gospel comes often from not knowing how.

    To save typing.
    A Huge post..
    Visit Here www.thelastformation.com

    Watch the clips...the movie .. Get the books..all online free.
    Watch an entire 24 lessons online all absolutley FREE. :)
     
  4. Neogaia777

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    Yet we must use tact and be as wise as serpents, in our approach with many people who do not believe today... And the world around us today...

    Balance would be important, and tact...

    Tempered by wisdom...

    God Bless!
     
  5. Raphael Jauregui

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    Repentance literally means to turn away from something. After death, God's transforming grace continues to shape and work. I would say that this is why we pray for the departed. We pray that God's grace continue to work in them.
     
  6. Soulfly.01

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    I see that a lot of people get one thing messed up here. Refusing to share the gospel and denying Christ are NOT the same thing at all. Denying would mean to blatantly say to people that you don't believe in Jesus.

    I personally don't want to share the gospel either. I haven't experienced Christ in any real way, so I feel like I have nothing to share. If I would force myself to share the gospel, then I would feel fake, because my faith is based on other peoples testimonies. I don't have my own testimony, that's the problem. Now of course I won't deny my faith if someone asks about it. I would discuss about God and the gospel with anyone who wants to.

    The idea of OSAS seems weird. Scriptures used to defend the idea seem to be forcefully interpreted. That's not what these verses imply at all. If a person makes a choice for Christ, then he will lose his free will and become a mindless zombie forced to be with Christ? Unable to choose good and evil anymore? Reality shows that some christians lose their faith over time. Whenever people interpret scripture in different ways, then I just look at reality. That usually settles it.
     
  7. Oscarr

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    The reason that I over balance on the side of permanent justification based on faith in Christ alone, is to oppose the notion that a person can lose their salvation over any sin that they commit through weakness and incomplete sanctification. Being imperfect in sanctification is not a denial of Christ; it is because the development of sanctification is still going on in all of us.

    God actually doesn't care about the type of sin that is committed, because even the smallest sin is punishable by death as are the greater sins. Under the Law the punishment for sin is death, period.

    The writer to the Hebrews warns again anyone who after being converted to Christ, goes back into wilful sin through the act of denying Christ and repudiating their faith. The wilful act of denying Christ is the sin that undoes as professing Christian. Therefore if the re-adoption of a sinful lifestyle is the result of denying Christ, then that is fatal for the person.

    However, if a person is trying to go on for Christ and struggles over sinful habit patterns, and is praying for victory; although that person may be sinning in a similar way to the "turncoat", he is not condemned because he is continually going to the throne of grace instead of turning his back on it.

    I am totally opposed to those legalists who speak condemnation to vulnerable believers who struggle over their own sinfulness. It is the height of arrogance for those people to condemn others in that way, because it suggests that they are holier than those whom they criticise and condemn. They are just blatant hypocrites who have logs in their own eyes while trying to take specks out of the eyes of the others. They are the ones who are in danger from God because of their legalism they are turning other believers away from Christ and back to the Law (usually the set of laws of their own making, just like the Pharisees).

    That is why is support eternal security - for the one who clings to Christ in spite of their failures and shortcomings. There are not two categories described as sinner/holy people. The two categories under God are believers/non-believers in Christ. There are sinner-believers and holy-believers, and there are sinner-non believers and "holier than thou"- non believers.

    People who speak condemnation and discouragement to struggling believers and cause them to give up on Christ because of the constant sniping and condemnation bombs, will have to answer to God at the judgement, because the blood of those vulnerable, struggling believers will be on their hands.
     
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  8. Colter

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    Lucifer had believed in the unseen Father but even he lost faith. Whatever Judas once believed, he lost his faith and made a decision. But it was inevitable that the Jewish leaders would catch up with Jesus. Pig headed religious people living in deadly fear mistreated all the prophets that came before Jesus.
     
  9. PeaceJoyLove

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    The word "saved" is past tense. A word study of this word and how it is used in the Bible is very enlightening. It comes from the Greek word "sozo" and has been used 106 times in the New Testatment, translated several ways. It has been used in the continuing tense - is being saved (not completed) and also translated as healed, well, escape, deliver and survive. (I share the word study below, including scripture.)

    Understanding the depth, breadth, width and height of what the LORD means is of the utmost importance and will answer all of the questions you have posed. Like, 'spread the Gospel'...The Gospel of Jesus Christ is not just words we speak, but a life truly transformed that testifies of the Power of Christ without having to speak a word. (1 Peter 3:1) Our conduct is LIVING the Gospel by the power of HIS spirit.

    Genuine faith...brings increase of HIM, less of "me"...the works of genuine faith transform us from the inside out. A huge problem within the visible church is that many speak words they think convey the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but are really just the human mind's interpretation or thoughts. The Gospel of Jesus Christ TRULY comes in POWER and changes to the uttermost. It does not wink at sin, nor condone it. It provides a way (grace of God/POWER) to be overcomers and walk as HE walked. Faith without works is dead. Even the heathen know how to do acts of kindness, but that does not save.

    If one is truly "being saved" there will be transformation taking place from the inside out. There will be growth in the attributes of Christ. There will be given deeper understanding and revelation of The Word of God by the Spirit of Truth. The battle between flesh and spirit will end (double-mindedness), eventually. One will go from the milk of the word to MEAT at HIS table, served up by Jesus Himself. DOING or obeying scripture (be ye holy...) is possible with HIS Gospel and being IN Christ will mean no human effort is necessary as HIS Spirit will cause us to LIVE it.

    THE WORD STUDY

    Save: σῴζω (sōzō)
    Strong: G4982
    GK: G5392
    to save, rescue; to preserve safe and unharmed, Mt. 8:25; 10:22; 24:22; 27:40, 42, 49; 1 Tim. 2:15; σῴζειν εἰς, to bring safely to, 2 Tim. 4:18; to cure, heal, restore to health, Mt. 9:21, 22; Mk. 5:23, 28, 34; 6:56; to save, preserve from being lost, Mt. 16:25; Mk. 3:4; 8:35; σῴζειν ἀπό, to deliver from, set free from, Mt. 1:21; Jn. 12:27; Acts 2:40; in NT to rescue from unbelief, convert, Rom. 11:14; 1 Cor. 1:21; 7:16; to bring within the pale of saving privilege, Tit. 3:5; 1 Pet. 3:21; to save from final ruin, 1 Tim. 1:15; pass. to be brought within the pale of saving privilege, Acts 2:47; Eph. 2:5, 8; to be in the way of salvation, 1 Cor. 15:2; 2 Cor. 2:15
    Gloss:
    to save, rescue, deliver; to heal; by extension: to be in right relationship with God, with the implication that the condition before salvation was one of grave danger or distress
    This little word, sozo, has been used 106 times in the NT and translated several different ways. Saved, save, deliver, (make you)well, recover, escape, healed and survive.
    Save: Mark 15:30 Luke 6:9 Luke 9:24 Luke 19:10 Luke 23:39 John 12:47 Matthew 1:21 Matthew 8:25 Matthew 16:25 Matthew 27:40
    Matthew 27:49
    Saved: Mark 16:16 Mark 13:31 Mark 10:26 Mark 13:13 Luke 23:35 Luke 23:27 Luke 7:50 Luke 8:12 Luke 13:23 Luke 18:26 Luke 18:42
    Acts 2:21 Acts 2:47 John 3:17 John 5:34 John 10:9 Matthew 10:22
    Matthew 19:25 Matthew 24:13 Matthew 27:42 2 Timothy 1:9
    Well: Luke 8:48 Luke 8:50 Luke 17:19 Matthew 9:22
    Recover: John 11:12 Deliver: John 12:27 Escape: Acts 2:40 Survive: Mark 13:20 Matthew 24:22
    Healed: Luke 23:35 Luke 23:27 Mark 10:52 Luke 8:36 Matthew 9:21
    Acts 4:9
    if we are being examined today about a good deed done to a sick man, by what means this man has been healed (sesōtai | σέσωται | perf pass ind 3 sg),
    Acts 4:12
    And salvation is in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” (sōthēnai | σωθῆναι | aor pass inf )
    Acts 11:14
    who will speak to you by which you and your entire household will be saved.’ (sōthēsē | σωθήσῃ | fut pass ind 2 sg)
    Acts 14:9
    This man listened to Paul speaking. Looking intently at him, Paul saw that he had faith to be healed (sōthēnai | σωθῆναι | aor pass inf ),
    Acts 15:1
    Now some men came down from Judea and began to teach the brothers, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” (sōthēnai | σωθῆναι | aor pass inf )
    Acts 15:11
    But through the grace of the Lord Jesus we believe that we will be saved (sōthēnai | σωθῆναι | aor pass inf ), in the same way as those also.”
    Acts 16:30
    Then he brought them outside and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” (sōthō | σωθῶ | aor pass subj 1 sg)
    Acts 16:31
    And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved (sōthēsē | σωθήσῃ | fut pass ind 2 sg), you and your household.”
    Acts 27:20
    When neither sun nor stars appeared for many days, and no small storm continued to rage, all hope of our being saved (sōzesthai | σῴζεσθαι | pres pass inf ) was at last abandoned.
    Acts 27:31
    Paul said to the centurion and the soldiers, “If these men do not remain in the ship, you cannot be saved.” (sōthēnai | σωθῆναι | aor pass inf )
    Romans 5:9
    Since we have now been justified by his blood, much more will we be saved (sōthēsometha | σωθησόμεθα | fut pass ind 1 pl) from the wrath of God through him.
    Romans 5:10
    For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, will we be saved (sōthēsometha | σωθησόμεθα | fut pass ind 1 pl) by his life.
    Romans 8:24
    For in this hope we were saved (esōthēmen | ἐσώθημεν | aor pass ind 1 pl). Now hope that is seen is not hope, for who hopes for what he sees?
    Romans 9:27
    Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, “Even if the number of the sons of Israel were as the sand of the sea, only a remnant will be saved (sōthēsetai | σωθήσεται | fut pass ind 3 sg);
    Romans 10:9
    that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved (sōthēsē | σωθήσῃ | fut pass ind 2 sg).
    Romans 10:13
    for “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” (sōthēsetai | σωθήσεται | fut pass ind 3 sg)
    Romans 11:14
    if somehow I could provoke my own countrymen to jealousy and save (sōsō | σώσω | fut act ind 1 sg) some of them.
    Romans 11:26
    And in this way all Israel will be saved: (sōthēsetai | σωθήσεται | fut pass ind 3 sg) as it is written, “Out of Zion will come the Deliverer; he will remove ungodliness from Jacob.”
    1 Corinthians 1:18
    For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved (sōzomenois | σῳζομένοις | pres pass ptcp dat pl masc) it is the power of God.
    1 Corinthians 1:21
    For since in the wisdom of God the world did not come to know God through wisdom, God was pleased through the foolishness of what we preach to save (sōsai | σῶσαι | aor act inf ) those who believe.
    1 Corinthians 3:15
    If someone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; however, he (sōthēsetai | σωθήσεται | fut pass ind 3 sg) himself will be saved (sōthēsetai | σωθήσεται | fut pass ind 3 sg), but only as through fire.
    1 Corinthians 5:5
    hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that the spirit may be saved (sōthē | σωθῇ | aor pass subj 3 sg) on the Day of the Lord.
    1 Corinthians 7:16
    For how do you know, wife, whether you (sōseis | σώσεις | fut act ind 2 sg) will (sōseis | σώσεις | fut act ind 2 sg) save (sōseis | σώσεις | fut act ind 2 sg) your husband? Or how do you know, husband, whether you (sōseis | σώσεις | fut act ind 2 sg) will (sōseis | σώσεις | fut act ind 2 sg) save (sōseis | σώσεις | fut act ind 2 sg) your wife?
    1 Corinthians 9:22
    To the weak I became weak that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I (sōsō | σώσω | aor act subj 1 sg) might (sōsō | σώσω | aor act subj 1 sg) save (sōsō | σώσω | aor act subj 1 sg) some.
    1 Corinthians 10:33
    even as I try to please everyone in everything I do, not seeking my own advantage but that of the many, so that they may be saved (sōthōsin | σωθῶσιν | aor pass subj 3 pl).
    1 Corinthians 15:2
    through which also you are being saved (sōzesthe | σῴζεσθε | pres pass ind 2 pl), if you hold firmly to the message I preached to you — unless you have believed in vain.
    2 Corinthians 2:15
    For we are an aroma of Christ to God among those who are being saved (sōzomenois | σῳζομένοις | pres pass ptcp dat pl masc). Among those who are perishing
    Ephesians 2:5
    even though we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ — by grace you have been saved (sesōsmenoi | σεσῳσμένοι | perf pass ptcp nom pl masc) —
    Ephesians 2:8
    For by grace you have been saved (sesōsmenoi | σεσῳσμένοι | perf pass ptcp nom pl masc) through faith, and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
    1 Thessalonians 2:16
    who prevent us from speaking to the Gentiles that they might be saved (sōthōsin | σωθῶσιν | aor pass subj 3 pl). Their goal has always been to complete the full number of their sins. But God’s wrath has caught up with them at last!
    2 Thessalonians 2:10
    and with every kind of wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they did not accept the love of the truth so as to be saved (sōthēnai | σωθῆναι | aor pass inf ).
    1 Timothy 1:15
    Trustworthy is the saying and worthy of complete acceptance: “Christ Jesus came into the world in (sōsai | σῶσαι | aor act inf ) order (sōsai | σῶσαι | aor act inf ) to (sōsai | σῶσαι | aor act inf ) save (sōsai | σῶσαι | aor act inf ) sinners,” of whom I am the foremost.
    1 Timothy 2:4
    who wishes all people to be saved (sōthēnai | σωθῆναι | aor pass inf ) and to come into a knowledge of the truth.
    1 Timothy 2:15
    but she will be saved (sōthēsetai | σωθήσεται | fut pass ind 3 sg) through childbearing, if they remain in faith and love and holiness, with modesty.
    1 Timothy 4:16
    Watch yourself and the teaching; be persistent in them; for by so doing you (sōseis | σώσεις | fut act ind 2 sg) will (sōseis | σώσεις | fut act ind 2 sg) save (sōseis | σώσεις | fut act ind 2 sg) both yourself and those hearing you.
    2 Timothy 1:9
    who saved (sōsantos | σώσαντος | aor act ptcp gen sg masc) us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time eternal,
    2 Timothy 4:18
    The Lord will rescue me from every evil deed and will bring me safely (sōsei | σώσει | fut act ind 3 sg) into his heavenly kingdom, to whom be glory in the ages of ages, Amen.
    Titus 3:5
    not because of works of righteousness that we did but according to his mercy, he saved (esōsen | ἔσωσεν | aor act ind 3 sg) us, through the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
    Hebrews 5:7
    In the days of his flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud crying and tears, to the one who was able to save (sōzein | σῴζειν | pres act inf ) him from death, and he was heard because of his godly fear.
    Hebrews 7:25
    Consequently, he is able to save (sōzein | σῴζειν | pres act inf ) completely those who draw near to God through him, because he continually lives to intercede for them.
    James 1:21
    Therefore put aside all filthiness and rampant wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save (sōsai | σῶσαι | aor act inf ) your souls.
    James 2:14
    What good is it, my brothers, if someone claims to have faith but has no works? Can that kind of faith save (sōsai | σῶσαι | aor act inf ) him?
    James 4:12
    There is only one who is the lawgiver and judge — the one who is able to save (sōsai | σῶσαι | aor act inf ) and to destroy; so who are you to be judging your neighbor?
    James 5:15
    and the prayer offered in faith will restore (sōsei | σώσει | fut act ind 3 sg) the one who is sick and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.
    James 5:20
    he should know that the one who brings a sinner back from the error of his way will save (sōsei | σώσει | fut act ind 3 sg) that person’s soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.
    1 Peter 3:21
    This water prefigures baptism, which now saves (sōzei | σῴζει | pres act ind 3 sg) you — not the removal of dirt from the body but the answer of a good conscience to God — by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
    1 Peter 4:18
    And “If the righteous person is (sōzetai | σῴζεται | pres pass ind 3 sg) barely saved (sōzetai | σῴζεται | pres pass ind 3 sg), what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?”
    Jude 1:5
    Now I want to remind you, though you once knew all this, that the Lord, having (sōsas | σώσας | aor act ptcp nom sg masc) saved (sōsas | σώσας | aor act ptcp nom sg masc) his people out of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
    Jude 1:23
    save (sōzete | σῴζετε | pres act imperative 2 pl) others by snatching them out of the fire; and have mercy on others with fear, hating even the garment stained by the flesh.
     

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    I've never found it. There are enough scriptural denials of this 'dogma' that one should be able to discard it easily.
    Where's THAT in the Bible? But seriously, a Christian would normally do something, even small and indirect, to spread the Gospel. It would be exceedingly odd not to. We are not all called to be evangelists but we should be at least a tiny bit involved in evangelization. Saying one would go to hell if they didn't is too strong, but one should examine herself or himself if they have zero interest in this.
    The phrase 'faith alone' comes up in only one place in the Bible. That being the book of James. So it is more complex an issue than some might tell you when they say you are saved by faith alone. That is a dogma in conflict with Scripture.
    Anybody can make a video. Doesn't make the video at all true.
    You don't need to be an evangelist. Not everybody is called to be that. You can share your faith in little ways. If a person can sometimes see Christ in you, then you have succeeded wildly even without words. Or you can do great service in praying that the evangelization efforts of others are fruitful. A good prayer warrior is far better than a bungling evangelist IMHO.
     
  11. Alithis

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    Well to be honest..thats not what Jesus said as a means to salvation..
    He said go heal the sick preach the Gospel drive out devils baptise in my name and make more diciples...

    A very clear strategy.
    When we ignore it ...very little is acheived.
     
  12. RayJeena

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    Darin Hufford, in The Command to Witness, elaborates on that very thing:

    "I have found that it is human nature to tell others when you have actually witnessed something worth telling. In fact, it's darn near impossible to keep quiet about it. Even Jesus Himself couldn't get people to shut up after He healed them, though He diligently tried. When people have experienced the power of God, nothing can stop them from spouting their mouths off to the world. The very fact that Christians have to encourage each other to witness is conclusive evidence that they have not witnessed anything. You don't plan a Saturday outreach when you've witnessed something spectacular. You tell the world today. You don't tell them because it's your job. You tell them because it's always on your mind and you can't stop yourself from doing so. It's just natural." ​

    Well, Jesus's own words were "Not my will, but Thine be done." Was he volunteering to be a mindless zombie? Is God a mindless zombie? I would think that, as far as free will goes, God has it the most, and yet He doesn't strike me as mindless or zombie-esque at all.

    They demonstrate that one can apparently have the freedom to choose (though as humans our will is severely limited; to this day I can't use my will to shape-shift) without being mindless or zombified. It's probably a case that in heaven we have free will, but we will also be transformed to a state in which the use of that will will be constructive rather than destructive. If it were destructive, then even heaven wouldn't be immune to infighting and rebellion.
     
  13. JESUS=G.O.A.T

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    I disagree of course as I stated already on repetence after death it's not biblical either. It's one of those ideologies that sort of function outside the Bible (which I tend to stay away from)... but I'm glad you clarified the uh view I guess for me. Now praying for the departed I agree with in the sense that they can be revived. Jesus showed us this that someone who does can be bought back to life. I've also been around people who have witnessed such.
     
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  14. Phoebe Ann

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    Some of these answers make me truly sad. People want credit for every decision they make; they look for a reward. The only thing we can earn or deserve is spiritual death.

    The wages of sin is death! The GIFT of God is eternal life!

    If God gives you faith, He won't take it away from you. The faith He gives you changes your whole perspective; it changes your heart.

    A gift is given freely out of love and doesn't require the recipient to pay for it. The recipient is grateful and desires to please the giver. We can never pay God for the gift, but because of the gift, He is our friend and we love Him forever.

    God begins the good work in us and carries it to completion:

    Philippians 1
    6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

    1 Corinthians 1
    4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge; 6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: 7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: 8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Galatians 2
    20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

    1 Corinthians 15
    10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

    1 John 4
    19 We love him, because he first loved us.

    All the glory belongs to God.

    http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/bible/do_christians_receive_rewards_in_heaven.shtml
     
  15. DeerGlow

    DeerGlow User Gifted Supporter Status by Someone Else Supporter

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    Made it to the bottom of page three, I'm probably going to come back later and finish. :sigh: It is a big thing weighing on me to possibly be of the "Lord, Lord" group or the apostates (and the unforgivable sin and mark of the beast). :(
     
  16. Walter and Deborah

    Walter and Deborah Junior Member

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    James 2:14-26
    King James Version (KJV)

    14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

    15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

    16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

    17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

    18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

    19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

    20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

    21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

    22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

    23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

    24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

    25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

    26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
     
  17. GirdYourLoins

    GirdYourLoins Well-Known Member

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    I find evangelism fairly easy these days. I take the approach that salvation is like Matthew 13:44-45.

    We who are saved have found our treasure and evangelism is helping other people find their own treasure. I find that if there people find their treasure it helps me enjoy mine more as well and makes it worth more to me. Once you accept that evangelism is giving people the chance to find something more valuable than everything they have how could you not want to help them find it? Its not about ramming the bible down their throat, its about sharing Gods love for them.
     
  18. DeerGlow

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    Aaah finished.
     
  19. BenjamintheWolf

    BenjamintheWolf New Member

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    I like to explain it this way; Good Works the symptoms of the affliction of Faith. To be sure, Faith in Christ is the only way to salvation. Inevitably, one who has recieved GOD's gift will inevitably exibit the lifestyle and demeanor of a Christian.

    Spreading the Gospel can take many shapes. Only some of us are talented educators. Some spread the Gospel simply by being kind, genuine and generous thereby attracting others into the family of Christ.
     
  20. Alithis

    Alithis Disciple of Jesus .

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    Now is the day of salvation..if a person hardens thier heart andvrefuses to repent they will die in thier sin and perish eternally.
    It is a doctrine of devils to teach praying to or for the dead.
     
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