Is it by works or by faith?

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OK I'm Baptist, and I'm very confused on the question of salvation. Here are my questions:

1. Is OSAS (Once Saved, Always Saved) Biblical?

2. If a Christian refuses to spread the Gospel, are they going to hell?

3. Is it truly by faith, and not works that we are saved?

I pose these questions due to a video I saw online. Supposedly a Korean Artist had a tour of hell with Jesus, and during the tour, she said that Christians who don't share the Gospel, or don't find sharing the Gospel as important will go to hell. Is this true?

I'm sort've scared of hell right now, since I struggle with evangelism. I know I should share the Gospel, but I just have such a hard time with it.

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OK I'm Baptist, and I'm very confused on the question of salvation. Here are my questions:

1. Is OSAS (Once Saved, Always Saved) Biblical?

2. If a Christian refuses to spread the Gospel, are they going to hell?

3. Is it truly by faith, and not works that we are saved?

I pose these questions due to a video I saw online. Supposedly a Korean Artist had a tour of hell with Jesus, and during the tour, she said that Christians who don't share the Gospel, or don't find sharing the Gospel as important will go to hell. Is this true?

I'm sort've scared of hell right now, since I struggle with evangelism. I know I should share the Gospel, but I just have such a hard time with it.

*Sorry If I posted this in the wrong section*

Well, let's just say that with faith....works definitely follow. So, faith without works isn't really the response the Lord is looking for.

But, just remember too, that .....Jesus really, really does love you. He's not looking to just throw people into Hell like it's a hobby or something...... :cool:

Peace,
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OK I'm Baptist, and I'm very confused on the question of salvation. Here are my questions:

1. Is OSAS (Once Saved, Always Saved) Biblical?
Yes. God wrote it, we believe it, that settles it.

2. If a Christian refuses to spread the Gospel, are they going to hell?
No. ....but why refuse?

3. Is it truly by faith, and not works that we are saved?
Romans 10:8-13. Faith, not works. Works follow salvation, as in sharing your faith.

I pose these questions due to a video I saw online. Supposedly a Korean Artist had a tour of hell with Jesus, and during the tour, she said that Christians who don't share the Gospel, or don't find sharing the Gospel as important will go to hell. Is this true?
Junk the video. It is garbage. And that is the Gospel Truth.
I'm sort've scared of hell right now, since I struggle with evangelism. I know I should share the Gospel, but I just have such a hard time with it.

*Sorry If I posted this in the wrong section*

Get unscared. Confess Romans 10:8-13. Your OSAS is right there in Romans 8:1. REJOICE!
 
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Note: YHWH does not groan when we groan.
Y'SHUA (JESUS) did suffer , as a man, like we do; He perfectly knows our feelings, all of our temptations and pains and sorrows, as well as all of our joys, dreams and hopes.

QUOTE="Gabe7587, post: 70573431, member: 393632"]God CARES FOR YOU.

Philippians 4:6 - "do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God."
Joshua 1:9 - "Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be frightened, and do not be dismayed, for the LORD your God is with you wherever you go.”

Jeremiah 32:27 - “Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh; is anything too difficult for Me?”
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1. Is OSAS (Once Saved, Always Saved) Biblical?
Yes. Consider the following passages:

At that time the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple, in the colonnade of Solomon. So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, "How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are itheChrist, tell us plainly." Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one." (John 10:22-30; ESV)​

As can be seen, those who are the sheep are placed in the hands of Christ by the Father. No one can snatch the sheep out of the hands of Christ or the Father. Someone cannot come into their hands and leave.

Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day." (John 6:35-40; ESV)​

Again, those who come to Christ will not be cast out. Those who come to Christ will not be lost and will be raised up on the last day. This corresponds with Philippians 1:6, which states that "he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ."

2. If a Christian refuses to spread the Gospel, are they going to hell?
A Christian will not refuse to share the Gospel. Good works are prepared for us by God when he brings us to faith in Him:

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. (Ephesians 2:8-10; ESV)​

3. Is it truly by faith, and not works that we are saved?
Yes. Read the above citation of Ephesians 2:8. Galatians 3:24 states that we are justified by faith.

I pose these questions due to a video I saw online. Supposedly a Korean Artist had a tour of hell with Jesus, and during the tour, she said that Christians who don't share the Gospel, or don't find sharing the Gospel as important will go to hell. Is this true?
Someone who has no desire to share the Gospel is probably not a Christian, as they clearly have no conviction. A genuine Christian will show good fruits and try their best to walk in the statutes of God.
 
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OK I'm Baptist, and I'm very confused on the question of salvation. Here are my questions:

1. Is OSAS (Once Saved, Always Saved) Biblical?

2. If a Christian refuses to spread the Gospel, are they going to hell?

3. Is it truly by faith, and not works that we are saved?

I pose these questions due to a video I saw online. Supposedly a Korean Artist had a tour of hell with Jesus, and during the tour, she said that Christians who don't share the Gospel, or don't find sharing the Gospel as important will go to hell. Is this true?

I'm sort've scared of hell right now, since I struggle with evangelism. I know I should share the Gospel, but I just have such a hard time with it.

*Sorry If I posted this in the wrong section*
1. I found this article with Bible verses that support OSAS: Once Saved, Always Saved Hope it helps.

2. I think that as Christians we are supposed to spread the Gospel as part of what God wants us to do, but as for whether or not we go to hell for not doing so, that's up to God. I don't wanna give a definite yes or no on this because it's in God's hands, but I think that as long as we listen to God when he calls us to do something or tell someone about Him, even if it's hard, then I wouldn't worry about it. Even if you miss an opportunity, you can ask God to forgive you for not listening, and He will. I just think we should put some effort into it for God's sake since He did save us from sin and promise us a place in Heaven.

3. Yes. Ephesians 2:8 tells us that we are saved by faith. I don't remember where at, but somewhere in the Bible it describes that we are saved by faith, but we can show others our faith by our works. Our works alone are not going to get us into Heaven, despite what some may tell you, but it is by faith we have been saved. However, our works can provide proof to others that we are trying to live for God, and they will see that and wonder what's different about us as believers when we do those good works for the Lord.

Hope this helps. God bless.
 
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Note: YHWH does not groan when we groan.
Y'SHUA (JESUS) did suffer , as a man, like we do; He perfectly knows our feelings, all of our temptations and pains and sorrows, as well as all of our joys, dreams and hopes.

QUOTE="Gabe7587, post: 70573431, member: 393632"]God CARES FOR YOU.

Philippians 4:6 - "do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God."
Joshua 1:9 - "Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be frightened, and do not be dismayed, for the LORD your God is with you wherever you go.”

Jeremiah 32:27 - “Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh; is anything too difficult for Me?”
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wow...thank you for bringing that back up to me. I...I'm...speechless. How could I forget that?
 
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I pose these questions due to a video I saw online. Supposedly a Korean Artist had a tour of hell with Jesus, and during the tour, she said that Christians who don't share the Gospel, or don't find sharing the Gospel as important will go to hell. Is this true?
Not that I believe in any sort of endless torment in hell (Universalist, here), the thing to note about these folks who (claim to) have been there is that they weren't there forever. They are proof positive that just because you go there doesn't mean you stay there. It's a teaching tool, not a torture tool.
 
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Not that I believe in any sort of endless torment in hell (Universalist, here), the thing to note about these folks who (claim to) have been there is that they weren't there forever. They are proof positive that just because you go there doesn't mean you stay there. It's a teaching tool, not a torture tool.
Even though or if the torment is not unending,
universalists are undone because according to God's Word the souls perish, regardless.
 
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Even though or if the torment is not unending,
universalists are undone because according to God's Word the souls perish, regardless.
According to some, but not all.
No undoing on this end. It's all good! :)
 
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Not that I believe in any sort of endless torment in hell (Universalist, here), the thing to note about these folks who (claim to) have been there is that they weren't there forever. They are proof positive that just because you go there doesn't mean you stay there. It's a teaching tool, not a torture tool.
...assuming that the story they're telling you is correct, that is.

There's no assurance that hell isn't forever if people who say that they've been there are making it up or hallucinating.
 
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According to some, but not all.
No undoing on this end. It's all good!
No, not all good.
Even if the universalism teaching was not abhorent to Scripture,
the other teachings that go along with it (all the time that I have seen anyway),
are also contrary to Scripture.

It does violence to Scripture, in other words, and
YHWH never contradicts Himself.
 
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OK I'm Baptist, and I'm very confused on the question of salvation. Here are my questions:

1. Is OSAS (Once Saved, Always Saved) Biblical?

Obviously different answers will be given for this, but I don't believe it is. Scripture speaks of and warns against apostasy, if apostasy weren't possible then such warnings wouldn't exist. Our assurance in Christ is found in Christ--but if we put ourselves outside of Christ then we have no hope. Thus the assurance of our salvation is certain, in Christ, who has saved us by His death and resurrection and which God appropriates to us; but if we knowingly, actively, and consciously reject Christ then we knowingly, actively, and consciously reject our hope and our salvation found in Him.

This should not cause us to stumble, but instead to trust in Jesus. Trust Him, His Word and His promises shall keep us and hold us, and no power on earth can rob us from His hand.

2. If a Christian refuses to spread the Gospel, are they going to hell?

No. Being an evangelist is not a requirement of salvation; not all are called to be evangelists.

3. Is it truly by faith, and not works that we are saved?

It is by grace alone, through faith which is the gift of God, not of ourselves (Ephesians 2:8-9). It is not by our efforts that we are saved, no effort of ours can contribute to our salvation--not even our "yes"; it is solely the grace of God, by the accomplished work of Jesus Christ our Lord, which is appropriated to us by the Holy Spirit through the Means of God's Gospel and Sacraments that creates faith in us, and we are freely justified and made righteous by and in Christ for Christ's sake.

I pose these questions due to a video I saw online. Supposedly a Korean Artist had a tour of hell with Jesus, and during the tour, she said that Christians who don't share the Gospel, or don't find sharing the Gospel as important will go to hell. Is this true?

Don't believe these sorts of things, instead trust the Gospel.

I'm sort've scared of hell right now, since I struggle with evangelism. I know I should share the Gospel, but I just have such a hard time with it.

Not everyone is called to be an evangelist, and in fact not everyone should because they may not be equipped or have the knowledge of the faith to do so; instead trust in the Gospel, put your hope in Jesus Christ who has died, for you, and who is risen, for you, and who is coming again and in which hope trust. Jesus Christ is for you, He is yours by the good will and kindness of God, and in Him have confidence and hope that the God of all creation is taking hold of you and bringing you toward the goal and purpose which He has established--that you might have peace with God, and life everlasting, and true life in the Coming Age when God makes all things new.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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OK I'm Baptist, and I'm very confused on the question of salvation. Here are my questions:

1. Is OSAS (Once Saved, Always Saved) Biblical?

2. If a Christian refuses to spread the Gospel, are they going to hell?

3. Is it truly by faith, and not works that we are saved?

I pose these questions due to a video I saw online. Supposedly a Korean Artist had a tour of hell with Jesus, and during the tour, she said that Christians who don't share the Gospel, or don't find sharing the Gospel as important will go to hell. Is this true?

I'm sort've scared of hell right now, since I struggle with evangelism. I know I should share the Gospel, but I just have such a hard time with it.

*Sorry If I posted this in the wrong section*
1. Yes, OSAS. Along with what jas been said, what is the gift of God for those who believe? Eternal life (Romans 6:23; John 3:16; etc.). Unless God is a liar, eternal life sure seems to seal the deal!

2. See number 3.

3. Others have post Ephesians 2:8 and Galatians 3. We are saved by grace through faith-not of works! However, when we are saved works will follow as a loving response to Gods work in and through us. Now, will he send someone to hell if they don't witness? Witnessing is a work and we are not saved by works. But again, it ought to be something we do as a response to God's grace. You are the light of the world. Noone lights a lamp and puts it in a cabinet...what good would that be? (Matthew 5:?)
 
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Obviously different answers will be given for this, but I don't believe it is. Scripture speaks of and warns against apostasy, if apostasy weren't possible then such warnings wouldn't exist. Our assurance in Christ is found in Christ--but if we put ourselves outside of Christ then we have no hope. Thus the assurance of our salvation is certain, in Christ, who has saved us by His death and resurrection and which God appropriates to us; but if we knowingly, actively, and consciously reject Christ then we knowingly, actively, and consciously reject our hope and our salvation found in Him.

This should not cause us to stumble, but instead to trust in Jesus. Trust Him, His Word and His promises shall keep us and hold us, and no power on earth can rob us from His hand.



No. Being an evangelist is not a requirement of salvation; not all are called to be evangelists.



It is by grace alone, through faith which is the gift of God, not of ourselves (Ephesians 2:8-9). It is not by our efforts that we are saved, no effort of ours can contribute to our salvation--not even our "yes"; it is solely the grace of God, by the accomplished work of Jesus Christ our Lord, which is appropriated to us by the Holy Spirit through the Means of God's Gospel and Sacraments that creates faith in us, and we are freely justified and made righteous by and in Christ for Christ's sake.



Don't believe these sorts of things, instead trust the Gospel.



Not everyone is called to be an evangelist, and in fact not everyone should because they may not be equipped or have the knowledge of the faith to do so; instead trust in the Gospel, put your hope in Jesus Christ who has died, for you, and who is risen, for you, and who is coming again and in which hope trust. Jesus Christ is for you, He is yours by the good will and kindness of God, and in Him have confidence and hope that the God of all creation is taking hold of you and bringing you toward the goal and purpose which He has established--that you might have peace with God, and life everlasting, and true life in the Coming Age when God makes all things new.

-CryptoLutheran

Jesus tells us all to spread the Gospel. This is the Great Commision. His last great command on earth. He wants no one to perish, so he wants everyone to share the Gospel in some way.
 
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No, not all good.
Even if the universalism teaching was not abhorent to Scripture,
the other teachings that go along with it (all the time that I have seen anyway),
are also contrary to Scripture.

It does violence to Scripture, in other words, and
YHWH never contradicts Himself.
There is a difference between what a person believes in their heart and what they believe in their head. If a person has said, "Yes" to Jesus for him or herself, that saves them, because that person has believed in their heart that Jesus is the Son of God and that He rose from the dead. It is the heart believe that saves.

Now, that same person believe stuff in their head that may not be consistent with scripture, but if that belief does not contradict their heart attitude to Christ, then it cannot undermine their salvation.

For that reason, a person who has received Christ as Saviour and who then believes in universalism, can continue to be a born-again believer, but might not be a good evangelist seeing that everyone else is going to make it as well. But if that person is advising others to get right with God by embracing Jesus, then whether she believes in universalism or not is a non-issue.
 
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