Is baptism necessary to be saved?

[evangelist]

Jessedance

I do not believe that you are unsaved because you are baptised incorrectly.

This is the key and discussion on this thread is to show people that the gospel and good news is Christ blood shed for us on the cross and the finished work for us is the cross and we are saved by Jesus alone unto repentance by Jesus and washed by the blood of Christ and that we be born again with a new heart.
We also be born in the washing of the Word of God so our mind can be renewed.
I am glad to see you know that an uncorrected baptism will not keep you unsaved, and I think that mean the baptism ritual can not saved any one and this is the point of the good new is that Christ did the works for us on the cross.

This is why I preach Christ and not a watered down gospel of getting brownie point to heaven.

God Bless

 

[evangelist]

I appreciate the long response that you gave me, evangelist I agree with many of the things that you've said, but I think maybe I didn't make my question clear the first time I asked it.

You said in a previous post that I am supposed to ask for the blood of Jesus. Can you show me a place in the Scriptures where it says specifically that I am to ask for Christ's blood?

Do you really know how important the blood of Jesus is in our lives?
Do you know how important the blood was in the old testament even when they put the blood on the door post?

Do you remember how the blood was offered in the tabernacle??

Most of all do you know that the bllod of Jesus washes our sins away??

When a new born christian first get saved they call on the blood of Jesus and should be explained what the blood of Jesus does.

When also a christian really has a deep relationship with Jesus they get the meaning and knowledge of how great the blood of Jesus is to us.

Maybe you need to see the movie the passion.

I am thankful there was no water baptism shown in the movei.AMEN

Some christian still have to learn the principle of our God and know the quality of the blood of Jesus even as we walk our christian life being forgiven of our sins by the blood of Jesus everyday.

know after saying this do you still want scriptures teaching you about the blood of Jesus and what it means to why we need to us the blood??

Just a question, did you just get saved only by water and left the blood of Jesus out because there is no direct scripture saying to use the blood of Christ??

God bless

 

[noiralc]

Just for the sake of keeping it simple, I would like to ask you about "faith?" You say that we are saved by "faith," and I completely agree with you (John 3:16). But what do you mean by that? Is the act of believing enough to be saved, or does the word "faith" imply action. For instance, what about repentance or confession? I would like to keep the discussions short b/c my time is very limited on here.

1 Cor 15:1-4

1Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
3For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance : that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,

When you believe the gospel you are saved! That is good news. This scripture is a brilliant example of what the gospel is.

If you believe this you are saved. When you are saved, there will be action according to James. It is a natural outflow, but not a prerequisite.

 

[evangelist]

I appreciate the long response that you gave me, evangelist I agree with many of the things that you've said, but I think maybe I didn't make my question clear the first time I asked it.

You said in a previous post that I am supposed to ask for the blood of Jesus. Can you show me a place in the Scriptures where it says specifically that I am to ask for Christ's blood?

the problem we have with each other is this:

1Co:2:1: And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
1Co:2:2: For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
1Co:2:3: And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
1Co:2:4: And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
1Co:2:5: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
1Co:2:6: Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
1Co:2:7: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
1Co:2:8: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
1Co:2:9: But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1Co:2:10: But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1Co:2:11: For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Co:2:12: Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Co:2:13: Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co:2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


1Pe:1:14: As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
1Pe:1:15: But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
1Pe:1:16: Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
1Pe:1:17: And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
1Pe:1:18: Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1Pe:1:19: But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe:1:20: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
1Pe:1:21: Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.



1Jo:1:7: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Heb:10:18: Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Heb:10:19: Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

Eph:2:13: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

God Bless

 

[evangelist]

I appreciate the long response that you gave me, evangelist I agree with many of the things that you've said, but I think maybe I didn't make my question clear the first time I asked it.

You said in a previous post that I am supposed to ask for the blood of Jesus. Can you show me a place in the Scriptures where it says specifically that I am to ask for Christ's blood?

THEGospel of the grace of God does not consist in pressing the duty defined by the words, "Give your heart to Christ" although that is often unwisely pressed upon inquirers after salvation as if it were the Gospel; but the very essence of the Gospel is contained in the words, "Having liberty to enter into the holiest BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS, by a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; and having an high-priest over the house of God; let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith," (Heb. 10:19-22).

"Give your heart to Christ," is rather law than Gospel. It is most proper that it should be done, for God himself demands it; but merely urging the doing of it is far short of the Gospel The true Gospel is, Accept the free gift of salvation from wrath and sin by receiving Jesus himself, and all the benefits He purchased with "HIS OWN BLOOD" (Acts 20:28), and your heart will be His in a moment, being given to Him, not as a matter of law, but of love; for, if you have the love of His heart poured into yours by His blessed Spirit, you will feel yourself under the constraining influence of a spontaneous spiritual impulse to give Him in return your heart, and all that you possess. It is right to give Him your heart, but unless you first receive His, you will never give Him yours.

The design of the following pages is to exhibit "the true grace of God" "without the works of the law," and only "by THE BLOOD OFJesus," (Heb. 10:19). Our great aim is the glory of Christ in the conversion of souls and the means employed to accomplish that end are simple statements concerning the great Scripture truth, that we are saved at once, entirely, and for ever, by the grace of God "who is rich in mercy," and that we have no part at all in the matter of our salvation save the beggar's part, of accepting it as a " free gift," procured for us by "THE PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST," (1 Pet. 1:19). And, as many are struggling to get up something of their own as a price to bring to God to buy salvation of Him, we have taken pains to shew the entire uselessness of all such efforts; and have pointed out, we think, with some degree of clearness, and by a variety of ways, that all true religion has a distinct beginning, and that that beginning dates from the time when a sinner stands at Calvary conscious of his utterly ruined condition, and realises the truth that Jesus so completely satisfied God for sin, that He could say before He gave up the ghost, "It is finished," (John 19:30); so that " we have redemption through HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace," (Eph. 1:7). "He his own self bare oursins in his own body on the tree," (1 Pet. 2:24), and thereby, "having made peace by THE BLOOD OF HIS CROSS," (Col. 1:20), we may at once be "made nigh by THE BLOOD OF CHRIST," (Eph. 2:13), without anything of our own. That God who hath set Him forth, "a propitiation through faith in HIS BLOOD, to declare his righteousness " (Rom. 3:25) in pardoning sin, will pardon ALL sin through faith in Him, for His own testimony is, that "THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST His Son cleanseth us from all sin," (1 John 1:7).

"THE BLOOD OF JESUS" is the ground of peace with God to every believing sinner below, and it will be the subject of the everlasting song of the redeemed above. It is our ALL for acceptance with God, for pardon of sin, for "justification of life," for adoption into God's family, for holiness and glory. As the altar with its streaming blood stood at the very entrance of the ancient tabernacle, so the Lord Jesus Christ and "THE BLOOD OF HIS CROSS" meet us at the very entrance of the church of the redeemed. The blood-shedding of Jesus as "a propitiation for our sins" (1 John 2:2) lies at the very threshold of the Christian life. It is the alphabet of Christian experience to know the value of "THE BLOOD OF SPRINKLING," (Heb. 12:24). The first step in the Christian course is into the "fountain opened," (Zech. 13:1).

THE BLOOD OF JESUS" is our great and only theme in the following pages. May the Divine Spirit make them to every reader "the power of God unto salvation," (Rom. 1:16).

God Bless

 

[evangelist]

Aggie03

The one that is wrong is in a great deal of trouble

I don"t believe the errors are extra planed.

2Th:2:10: And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th:2:11: And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

In fact, since I've mentioned it, evangelist, I would really like to hear what you think this verse means. I believe that you use the KJV so that's the version I'll post the quote in:

1Pe:3:21: The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
1Pe:3:22: Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

This verse is talking a good conscience or having a mind of Cnrist Rom 12.
Notice the answer is in the mind not the water.
What is for you the meaning of like figure ??

Like figure is not the original.

I realize that you haven't had time to respond to my last post - but this comment that you've made brings to point the questions that I've asked you so far. How do you believe that you come in contact with the blood of Christ? When did Christ shed his blood? It was at His death, right? Can you find any place in the Scriptures where it talks about us being connected to the death of Christ? Can you find any place in the Scriptures where it talks about praying to receive the blood of Jesus?

By faith , and the faith comes by the word of God.

Chrsit shed His blood 2000 years agao.

we are connected to Christ death by the atonement.
Romans 5:10-16.


yes to pray to recieve the blood.

Ro:3:25: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Ro:3:26: To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

I'm not trying to scare anyone - in fact I wasn't even the one who brought this up, but since it has been mentioned we must be sure to be all the more diligent and truthful in our reading and understanding of the Scriptures - we must put away pride and humbly sumbit to the whole counsel of God's word. If I am wrong, I want to change. I want to be right with God more than I want to be right in this discussion. My constant prayer and wish is that we would all feel the same way (and I'm sure that a great many of us do

If you want to be right with God aSK GOD TO GIVE YOU A meek spirit and heart Gal 5.

We have the same Father God so we need to hear together that same Spirit and we will come into agreement.

read 1Cor 12:1-14 and Acts 2:42-47.

 

[western kentucky]

1 Cor 15:1-4

1Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
3For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance : that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,

When you believe the gospel you are saved! That is good news. This scripture is a brilliant example of what the gospel is.

If you believe this you are saved. When you are saved, there will be action according to James. It is a natural outflow, but not a prerequisite.

Noiralc,

This is a great passage! I see that Paul points out to the Corinthians that they must believe in the gospel and hold fast to the word to be saved. In verse 3 he points out to them that as a matter of first importance, Christ died for our sins, was buried, then rose again. These are extremely important points, because they are the basis of Christianity.

I am confused how you came to the conclusion from this passage that "belief alone" will save one's soul? Also, in James, how did you determine that one is saved, then there will be action? - - that action is just a natural outflow. Why would James stress the importance of "faith and works" if it was just a natural process?

 

[western kentucky]

evangelist,

You must have a lot of time!

 

[noiralc]

Noiralc,

This is a great passage! I see that Paul points out to the Corinthians that they must believe in the gospel and hold fast to the word to be saved. In verse 3 he points out to them that as a matter of first importance, Christ died for our sins, was buried, then rose again. These are extremely important points, because they are the basis of Christianity.

I am confused how you came to the conclusion from this passage that "belief alone" will save one's soul? Also, in James, how did you determine that one is saved, then there will be action? - - that action is just a natural outflow. Why would James stress the importance of "faith and works" if it was just a natural process?

One is saved by believing the gospel. Jesus came and said "Repent and believe the gospel"; Repent = metanoia = change your mind.

Literally it says: Change your mind and believe the good news. What about this message is good? That we are saved by grace through faith. It is a gift from God, not by works so that no man can boast. (Eph 2:8,9).

1 Corianthians 15 links the gospel message to getting saved:

2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

If you read all the verses that states that salvation comes through faith it colours the picture. I will quote but a few:

Acts 8:38 Therefore, my brothers, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. 39 Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses.

Romans 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.

Also see Rom 4:5-20,5:1-11,Gal 2:16,3:8,24

Now to James 2:14 What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15 Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

This refers to those who claim they have faith and that works are not necessary in Christian living. It does not say they have real and active faith, but that they say they have. James is not referring to initial justifying faith, but to the demonstration of Christian faith before men. One is not justified by works, but justified ones must live a life that shows that it has been touched through the Christian consecration.

Thus one can not say that you are a christian, but not care for the brother or sister without clothes or food.

One can ask: "You claim that you have Christ in your life and that you have been justified? Do you act Christ-like? Has it made a difference in your life?"

 

[Philo]

Noiralc,

This is a great passage! I see that Paul points out to the Corinthians that they must believe in the gospel and hold fast to the word to be saved. In verse 3 he points out to them that as a matter of first importance, Christ died for our sins, was buried, then rose again. These are extremely important points, because they are the basis of Christianity.

I am confused how you came to the conclusion from this passage that "belief alone" will save one's soul? Also, in James, how did you determine that one is saved, then there will be action? - - that action is just a natural outflow. Why would James stress the importance of "faith and works" if it was just a natural process?

Well, James was defining faith. He wasn't saying that works were important. He was saying that Faith is defined by the fact that it is active belief.

 

[aggie03]

yes to pray to recieve the blood.

Ro:3:25: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Ro:3:26: To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Hi evangelist

i'll respond to the rest of your post when I have a few more minutes and can really give it some thought your patience and willingness to discuss deserves at least that much in return.

I did however just want to make note that nowhere in the verse you quoted does it talk about prayer bringing us into contact with Christ's blood.

 

[western kentucky]

Well, James was defining faith. He wasn't saying that works were important. He was saying that Faith is defined by the fact that it is active belief.

I agree with your point that "faith" is defined by the fact that it is active belief. So...... wouldn't that mean that he is saying that works are "important?" If faith without works is dead, then can't we infer that he is saying that "works" are important.

 

[Aaron11]

Works are important. Do they save us? For the answer read: Romans 3, Romans 4, Romans 11, and Ephesians 2. I don't need to say anything about it, you guys can figure it out.

 

[western kentucky]

One is saved by believing the gospel. Jesus came and said "Repent and believe the gospel"; Repent = metanoia = change your mind.

I am confused by your statements. First, you say that one is saved by believing the gospel. Second, you say that one must "believe" and "repent?" These are two different actions. If "belief alone" will save one's soul, then what need is there to repent?

What about this message is good? That we are saved by grace through faith. It is a gift from God, not by works so that no man can boast. (Eph 2:8,9).

I agree with your point; One is saved by grace through faith. But there is a dilemma???

Rom. 4:4-5 tells us, "But to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. But to the one who does not work, but believes ih Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness."

This passage tells us:
worker = condemned
non worker = salvation

James 2:14 tells us, "What use it is, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?"

This passage tells us:
Faith + works = salvation
Faith without works = Condemned

Why is it that Romans tells us not to work, and James tells us to work? It appears that these scriptures contradict each other. But since both scriptures are the word of God, they both must be true, right? So how can we harmonize them?

Well........ It is reasonable to conclude that there are two different types of works in mind. This means that Paul and James are not speaking of the same "work." In Romans 4:4 we read, "No to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due." In this passage, the "worker" is the man who God owes a debt to b/c he earns his task flawlessly. This is completely true; We don't earn our salvation by "works" of merit, because God does not owe us anything. In Romans 4:5 we read, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness." In this passage, the "non worker" is the man to whom God owes nothing b/c he has failed in his task." This also is completely true; We don't earn our salvation through "works" of merit, but rather we rely on the grace of God.

In James 2:24-25, "You see that a man is justfied by works and not by faith alone. In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she recieved the messengers and sent them out by another way?" It is obvious that James is speaking of a different kind of work. Not works of merit, but "works" of obedience. James is facing those who claim to be righteous without doing anything. He answers them by saying, "Works is the means for justification."

From both passages we can reasonably conclude that there are "works of merit" and "works of obedience." After harmonizing the ideas together, we can conclude that, "We must rely on God's grace, and that we must obey all that God commands."

 

[Aaron11]

Then a problem arises... No one is going to obey all of God's commands. So if you MUST obey all of God's commands to be saved, none of us will, then none of us would be saved. Good thing Ephesians 2:8 is crystal clear for us on what saves us.

 

[western kentucky]

Aaron,

There is nothing for me to discuss with you. You don't believe that all scriptures are "inspired." On the other hand, I do (2 Tim. 3:16-17). With this in mind, I believe that I must obey all that God has commanded me to do in the bible. This means that I must reason through the scriptures to understand all that God expects of me. With your mindset, you can "pick and choose" what suits you and what you feel like is necessary. Since we view God's word in different ways, then we have nothing to work with or no solid ground to start on.

 

[western kentucky]

1 Corianthians 15 links the gospel message to getting saved:

2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

If you read all the verses that states that salvation comes through faith it colours the picture. I will quote but a few:

Acts 8:38 Therefore, my brothers, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. 39 Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses.

Romans 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.

Also see Rom 4:5-20,5:1-11,Gal 2:16,3:8,24?"

I agree with your point - We are saved by "faith" (Jn. 3:16). But here comes the big question - What is faith? Does the faith that the scriptures speak of imply action? Just to establish some common ground....

1) One learns of "faith" from the word of God (Rom. 10:17).
2) One must have faith to be saved (Heb. 11).
* We both are in agreement up to this point, correct?
3) Faith without works of obedience is dead (James 2:14-26; Hebrews 11).

Consider a few verses:

John 12:42-43 - Nevertheless many even of the rulers believed in HIM, but b/c of the Pharisees they were not confessing HIm, for fear that they would be put out of the synagogue; for they loved the approval of men rather than the approval of God.

Here's a perfect example.... The rulers had faith; It plainly says that they believed. Was their "faith alone" enough? Verse 43 provides us with the answer.

James 2:19 - You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons believe, and shudder.

Here's another example. The demons clearly had faith? What wer'e they missing?

 

[Philo]

Aaron,

There is nothing for me to discuss with you. You don't believe that all scriptures are "inspired." On the other hand, I do (2 Tim. 3:16-17). With this in mind, I believe that I must obey all that God has commanded me to do in the bible. This means that I must reason through the scriptures to understand all that God expects of me. With your mindset, you can "pick and choose" what suits you and what you feel like is necessary. Since we view God's word in different ways, then we have nothing to work with or no solid ground to start on.

Well, for what it's worth, Aaron believes that all scripture is inspired. He just believes that the truth was revealed by the HS to the writers of scripture, and what they wrote was completely true and "God-breathed." He doesn't believe that God chose the specific words and phrases to use. That is an extra-biblical concept, as far as I know.

If everything the writers wrote was true, does it matter that God didn't choose the exact way to express those truths? Is it so scary to think that the truth could be simple enough to be expressed in a dozen different ways and still mean exactly the same thing?

I don't think so. "Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty."

Do you believe that Paul was right when he wrote that?

It's referring to the Law of Moses, and how those who read it without the knowledge of Christ couldn't see what God meant when he dictated it. I'm sure you know what he meant, because Jesus was rather specific when speaking about what the Law and the prophets hinge on.

In Christian Love and Liberty,

xPhilCorex

 

[Philo]

I agree with your point - We are saved by "faith" (Jn. 3:16). But here comes the big question - What is faith? Does the faith that the scriptures speak of imply action? Just to establish some common ground....

1) One learns of "faith" from the word of God (Rom. 10:17).
2) One must have faith to be saved (Heb. 11).
* We both are in agreement up to this point, correct?
3) Faith without works of obedience is dead (James 2:14-26; Hebrews 11).

Consider a few verses:

John 12:42-43 - Nevertheless many even of the rulers believed in HIM, but b/c of the Pharisees they were not confessing HIm, for fear that they would be put out of the synagogue; for they loved the approval of men rather than the approval of God.

Here's a perfect example.... The rulers had faith; It plainly says that they believed. Was their "faith alone" enough? Verse 43 provides us with the answer.

Here's the difference between faith and belief. They "believed" in Jesus, but they didn't have faith. If they did, then they would realize that Jesus is more important than approval. That's what saving faith does; It changes you from the inside out.

James 2:19 - You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons believe, and shudder.

Here's another example. The demons clearly had faith? What wer'e they missing?

The demons believe in God. Obviously. They are demons. If they don't believe in God, they don't believe in themselves. But do they have faith in God? Do they depend on Him? Do they look to Him for salvation?

There is a difference between an intellectual assent and a saving. Anyone can "believe" in God. Whether you act on that "belief" determines whether or not it is living faith. Just in the same way we don't push knives against our skin because we have faith that it would cut us (even those who've never cut themselves), we act with Christ in mind because we believe that is what would best express our love for our Lord and Savior.

 

[Aaron11]

Aaron,

There is nothing for me to discuss with you. You don't believe that all scriptures are "inspired." On the other hand, I do (2 Tim. 3:16-17). With this in mind, I believe that I must obey all that God has commanded me to do in the bible. This means that I must reason through the scriptures to understand all that God expects of me. With your mindset, you can "pick and choose" what suits you and what you feel like is necessary. Since we view God's word in different ways, then we have nothing to work with or no solid ground to start on.

WKU,

Sorry. However, what I was saying has nothing to do with whether or not scripture is inspired:


Then a problem arises... No one is going to obey all of God's commands. So if you MUST obey all of God's commands to be saved, none of us will, then none of us would be saved. Good thing Ephesians 2:8 is crystal clear for us on what saves us.

If someone MUST obey all of God's commands to be saved, then none of us are saved BECAUSE all of us sin. No matter whether you are a Hookian, Methodist, Church of Christer, or Catholic, you can agree with this statement.