evangelist
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western kentucky said:evangelist,
You must have a lot of time!
I do praise the Lord.
Psalms:91:16: With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation
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western kentucky said:evangelist,
You must have a lot of time!
aggie03 said:Hi evangelist
i'll respond to the rest of your post when I have a few more minutes and can really give it some thoughtyour patience and willingness to discuss deserves at least that much in return.
I did however just want to make note that nowhere in the verse you quoted does it talk about prayer bringing us into contact with Christ's blood.
aggie03 said:Yup
I hope you don't mind if I ask another question; I have some comments/thoughts I'd like to share, but not really the time right now to type them out.
How do we "die to our own pride, desires, lusts wishes"? Could you give me a verse or two with your thoughts if you don't mind?
Thanks for your response Evangelist!evangelist said:I would like to give my two cent and quote this.
Ro:12:1: I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Ro:12:2: And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
God Bless
Nope.aggie03 said:Can you find a place in the Scriptures where it talks about someone who wasn't saved dying to the old man?
Neither can I. It appears that salvation and this death of the "old man" are inherently linked together. What do you all think?Aaron11 said:Aggie03 said:Can you find a place in the Scriptures where it talks about someone who wasn't saved dying to the old man?
Nope.
I have never met anyone who didn't think you need to die to the old man.aggie03 said:Neither can I. It appears that salvation and this death of the "old man" are inherently linked together. What do you all think?
I've been looking for a place in the Scriptures where it talks specifically about someone who wasn't saved dying to the "old man" through prayer. I can't find a referrence anywhere. If someone else knows where one of these is, I'd greatly appreciate it.
Can anyone find any verses specifically that talk about someone who wasn't saved at the time dying to the "old man" (note: this referrence may be in an epistle where the author is referring to someone who is saved in the past before their salvation)???
Maybe I am slow, but I am missing the point. At least I hope I am missing it. Could you explain more?aggie03 said:Neither have I. But can you find a place in the Scriptures where it says that we die to the old man through prayer?
Simplest? Ok. Anyway, I didn't know that people were arguing that if you pray, you are necessarily saved. But, if they are arguing that, there are probably easier ways to show that idea to be false. For instance, "Not all that say 'Lord Lord' will enter the kingdom of heaven". I just haven't met anyone that thought you JUST had to pray.aggie03 said:Well, this is the simplest application. We agreed earlier that dying to the old man was something that one could not be saved without doing. Evangelist claimed that one can be saved simply by praying to God - so if this is the case, then it would make sense that when one prays this prayer they die to the old man. However, I can't find this any where in the Scriptures.
I hope that you didn't take offense to anything I said, I was in no way attempting to make the connotation that you can only handle the simplest conclusions. I don't know if that's the way that I came across, but I assure you that's not what I intended - for I know you to be a very intelligent individualAaron11 said:Simplest? Ok. Anyway, I didn't know that people were arguing that if you pray, you are necessarily saved. But, if they are arguing that, there are probably easier ways to show that idea to be false. For instance, "Not all that say 'Lord Lord' will enter the kingdom of heaven". I just haven't met anyone that thought you JUST had to pray.
I must not have expressed my tone well. I didn't take offense at all. Thanks for being so cordial.aggie03 said:I hope that you didn't take offense to anything I said, I was in no way attempting to make the connotation that you can only handle the simplest conclusions. I don't know if that's the way that I came across, but I assure you that's not what I intended - for I know you to be a very intelligent individual.
I agree with you - but unless I misunderstood evangelist, he was saying that we are saved when we pray, and that's pretty much all that one had to do. If I'm mistaken, I will be more than happy for him to correct me, because, as you have already noted, this is something that I do not believe is supported by the Scriptures.