Is baptism a requirement for salvation?

[Not David]

I am. Some type of baptism is necessary.

Well, baptism of water.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Well, baptism of water.

Ah.

Withdrawn then... with the caveat that water baptism is the ordinary means.

 

[Neostarwcc]

what verse states that the holy spirit baptizes with water??
what on earth is that about ?

Not a verse just a personal experience with God I had. Its a long story.

 

[aiki]

your intent on dissecting the gospel into pieces.
im not interested.
its a whole.
not a finger food

I'm interested in being careful and thoughtful about how I understand and interpret Scripture. I'm not chugging back the "milk" of the word, swallowing it whole as babies do, but chewing on the "meat" of Scripture, savoring it piece by piece as adults do. You should try it; you might find you like it.

Also, the whole is made up of parts, Alithis; there is no whole without those parts. It's very important, then, to understand them. You can't really understand "the whole" until you do.

 

[Not David]

Not according to the Word it is differentiated in cases.

Please see response below.

Disagree, the Apostles were commanded to baptize with water.

 

[Not David]

This is a not-unexpected reply. I didn't think you'd have much of answer to it.



Among other things, yes. But see my comments in my last post to you.



Uh huh. Does the story indicate that the eunuch was saved after, or as a consequence of, being baptized? No. But there is a very strong emphasis on Phillip's part upon belief preceding baptism. That makes sense since we read many times in the New Testament that belief - not baptism - is the really crucial thing in our being saved.
Just believing doesn't save you. Even the demons believe.



Well, hang on. It doesn't follow that, because the eunuch knew about baptism, Phillip had made it part-and-parcel of how one was saved. Why couldn't Phillip have mentioned it as the important - but non-salvific - next step after one is saved? It seems to me this is exactly what Phillip did and why the eunuch believed first (John 3:16; Romans 10:9-10; 1 John 5:10-13) and then was baptized.



Nope. Wrong.



Right. It's not optional. But not because baptism has any salvific power.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

Disagree, the Apostles were commanded to baptize with water.

Aren't we talking about today?

Acts 19:1-6 What about Paul?

 

[Not David]

John 3:5
3:5 [ Greek Font Size: BYZ / TR | Jesus answered (5662) , Verily, verily, I say (5719) unto thee, Except a man be born (5686) of water and of the Spirit, he cannot * (5736) enter (5629) into the kingdom of God.

apekriqh (5662) Ihsouv, Amhn amhn legw (5719) soi, ean mh tivgennhqh (5686) ec udatov kai pneumatov, ou dunatai (5736)eiselqein (5629) eiv thn basileian tou qeou.


born which is 1080 means to be born of natural birth and

1. to engender, cause to arise, excite
2. in a Jewish sense, of one who brings others over to his way of life, to convert someone
3. of God making Christ his son
4. of God making men his sons through faith in Christ's work

Holy Spirit Infilling Examples: Differentiation between baptism of water and Spirit.


Acts 1: 4 Commanded to wait for the Promise of the Father.

Acts 2:37-39 HS is a gift of God, given in sundry ways.

Acts 8:5-8, 14-17 Filled with the HS after being baptized in the name of JC.

Acts 10:15-20 Peter told not to call anything God calls clean, unclean.

Acts 10:34-48 HS fall on Gentiles also.

Acts 11:12-18 Filled with the HS before baptized in the water.

Acts 19:1-6 Disciples of John the Baptist are filled with the HS after they were baptized previously.

Can you tell me any Christian who believe baptism of the Spirit and water is different before the Reformation? Also, Confirmation isn't the same thing as Baptism tho it might follow it.

 

[Not David]

Aren't we talking about today, such as Paul after the apostles?

Acts 19:1-6

Are you saying the baptism of John is the same stuff as our baptism?

 

[JacksBratt]

What we intend to do is in our hearts.
Romans 10:9 New King James Version (NKJV)
If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Does that means if someone didn't speak, he isn't saved?

Good question.

 

[aiki]

DavidCabrera:

Yes, I agree that not just any old belief will do when it comes to salvation. I haven't suggested otherwise.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

You will have to take that up with God

Regarding the topic here there is nothing I need to take up with God, however some of you "will have to take it up with God" as you say for adding works to His salvation.
Seriously? Jesus Christ alone cannot save you?
You have to add self-righteousness to His salvation?

 

[Tutorman]

Regarding the topic here there is nothing I need to take up with God, however some of you "will have to take it up with God" as you say for adding works to His salvation.
Seriously? Jesus Christ alone cannot save you?
You have to add self-righteousness to His salvation?

Baptism is something God does not man and Christ commanded it, the apostles did it. So the problem is with the fact that you want to be saved your own way not God's way

 

[JacksBratt]

Baptism and a wedding ring (interesting, never heard that analogy before) are not the same thing.

Baptism is the physical means by which we seal the covenant we make with Christ through the action of our bodies. It also symbolizes our death, burial, and resurrection in Christ.

Wedding ring does not seal the marriage. Do you know what does?

So, the thief on the cross.... not sealed?

Someone dying from a car crash and in their dying moments they are witnessed to by a person helping them.... surrenders to Christ.. not baptized. not sealed... not saved?

A person dealing drugs.... gets in a bad deal.... his captors are taking him to be killed in an alley... pleads to God, to Christ.... surrenders... not sealed... not saved?


I was saved at a young age... serious little guy with a big heart. Even witnessed to a catholic boy I used to play with who told me that he could do as he liked and just go to confession on Friday... wow eh? only about 9 years old.

Anyway... I was not baptized then and when I got older I just "didn't have time" right?...

Finally, it was my middle child, at age 14 asked me if he could get baptized...
We walked to the front of the church and got the forms after the alter call.
Well, I said, can I get baptized with you? He thought that would be great..
Then, my youngest said she wanted to.. then my oldest and finally.. my wife.

The result.. all five of us got baptized on the same day...

Are you telling me that none of us had salvation ... up to that point?

Or, did my children and not my wife and I?

You see, this poses a big problem for me... The way I see it.. it makes salvation categorized... Some are saved with out Baptism ( kids, shortly saved then die, the thief....)

I don't think this is what salvation is all about.

I think God wants you to believe in His son and the fact that the cross paid your price.

That's what saves you... the fact that you acknowledge your inability to save yourself and your recognition and acceptance of the fact that Christ can..

Baptism is the profession, to the people, to others, of your commitment to Christ and His ways.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

Baptism is something God does not man and Christ commanded it, the apostles did it. So the problem is with the fact that you want to be saved your own way not God's way

Wrong.
Baptism comes after you receive salvation.
So it would seem to me that it is you who wants have salvation your way by adding to it.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

Are you saying the baptism of John is the same stuff as our baptism?

Romans 6: 1-4
6:1 [ Greek Font Size: BYZ / TR | What shall we say (5692) then? Shall we continue (5692) in sin, that grace may abound (5661) ?

6:2 [ Greek Font Size: BYZ / TR | God forbid * (5636) . How shall we, that are dead (5627) to sin, live (5692) any longer therein *?
6:3 [ Greek Font Size: BYZ / TR | Know ye not (5719) , that so many of us as were baptized (5681) into Jesus Christwere baptized (5681) into his death?

6:4 [ Greek Font Size: BYZ / TR | Therefore we are buried with (5648) him by baptism into death: that like as Christwas raised up (5681) from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we alsoshould walk (5661) in newness of life.



Jesus died and rose again, we are baptized unto repentance. Note: I am not saying baptism saves us, I am saying that is an outward representation of dieing to the flesh and sin and the symbol of resurrection.

John baptized with the baptism of repentance.

As Jesus died we are baptized unto His death and rise with His resurrection.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

Can you tell me any Christian who believe baptism of the Spirit and water is different before the Reformation? Also, Confirmation isn't the same thing as Baptism tho it might follow it.

I provided bible verses to back it up that they are different.

I even provided the Greek for baptism in John 3:5

If the Bible says they are different, I don't care what another person believes. It is the Word that stands the Truth of time. He is never changing. The same yesterday, today and forever. He is the I Am.

 

[Neostarwcc]

So, the thief on the cross.... not sealed?

Someone dying from a car crash and in their dying moments they are witnessed to by a person helping them.... surrenders to Christ.. not baptized. not sealed... not saved?

A person dealing drugs.... gets in a bad deal.... his captors are taking him to be killed in an alley... pleads to God, to Christ.... surrenders... not sealed... not saved?


I was saved at a young age... serious little guy with a big heart. Even witnessed to a catholic boy I used to play with who told me that he could do as he liked and just go to confession on Friday... wow eh? only about 9 years old.

Anyway... I was not baptized then and when I got older I just "didn't have time" right?...

Finally, it was my middle child, at age 14 asked me if he could get baptized...
We walked to the front of the church and got the forms after the alter call.
Well, I said, can I get baptized with you? He thought that would be great..
Then, my youngest said she wanted to.. then my oldest and finally.. my wife.

The result.. all five of us got baptized on the same day...

Are you telling me that none of us had salvation ... up to that point?

Or, did my children and not my wife and I?

You see, this poses a big problem for me... The way I see it.. it makes salvation categorized... Some are saved with out Baptism ( kids, shortly saved then die, the thief....)

I don't think this is what salvation is all about.

I think God wants you to believe in His son and the fact that the cross paid your price.

That's what saves you... the fact that you acknowledge your inability to save yourself and your recognition and acceptance of the fact that Christ can..

Baptism is the profession, to the people, to others, of your commitment to Christ and His ways.

Of course you and your children were saved before your baptism. Don't let anyone tell you any differently. Faith is what saves a person and nothing else.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

So, the thief on the cross.... not sealed?

Someone dying from a car crash and in their dying moments they are witnessed to by a person helping them.... surrenders to Christ.. not baptized. not sealed... not saved?

A person dealing drugs.... gets in a bad deal.... his captors are taking him to be killed in an alley... pleads to God, to Christ.... surrenders... not sealed... not saved?


I was saved at a young age... serious little guy with a big heart. Even witnessed to a catholic boy I used to play with who told me that he could do as he liked and just go to confession on Friday... wow eh? only about 9 years old.

Anyway... I was not baptized then and when I got older I just "didn't have time" right?...

Finally, it was my middle child, at age 14 asked me if he could get baptized...
We walked to the front of the church and got the forms after the alter call.
Well, I said, can I get baptized with you? He thought that would be great..
Then, my youngest said she wanted to.. then my oldest and finally.. my wife.

The result.. all five of us got baptized on the same day...

Are you telling me that none of us had salvation ... up to that point?

Or, did my children and not my wife and I?

You see, this poses a big problem for me... The way I see it.. it makes salvation categorized... Some are saved with out Baptism ( kids, shortly saved then die, the thief....)

I don't think this is what salvation is all about.

I think God wants you to believe in His son and the fact that the cross paid your price.

That's what saves you... the fact that you acknowledge your inability to save yourself and your recognition and acceptance of the fact that Christ can..

Baptism is the profession, to the people, to others, of your commitment to Christ and His ways.

How awesome that must of been!
The whole family being baptized the same day!
I've never heard of that before.
Definitely a day none of you will forget.
Amen.
⚘

 

[JacksBratt]

How awesome that must of been!
The whole family being baptized the same day!
I've never heard of that before.
Definitely a day none of you will forget.
Amen.
⚘

OH Ya... awesome... The pastor asked me to say a few words before it took place..
I walked up and started to tell the story.. and........fell apart.. babbling.. couldn't even speak.... a mess.. lol....

What a great day.